Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
And the sarcastic comments with no real meaning continue... to be expected I guess.

When some other mac fanboy was proven wrong in this thread, instead of trying to argue back he insulted the guy saying he worked at burger king. Good one...

Seriously, I'm all ears. Anyone want to say something more than "windows sucks" "windows gets viruses" "i love macs"?

**** its people like this that make me not want to be associated with apple in the slightest.

OK, howz about this...as my very first post here....

Why are so many people who obviously do not own a Mac trashing Apple in a forum that (allegedly) is here to discuss current and upcoming product?

Macs work for people who use them. I use both...for very differing purposes at my office and my home.

Seriously, I'm all ears. If you don't like the product, why in the hell are you and others wasting people's time in a thread that was established to talk about the ads by spewing the same old cliches we've heard ever since Mac #1?

I came here hoping to find a discussion of the ads in question. Instead, it's the same old Mac vs. PC crap.

It's people like you, sir, that frankly I just don't understand.
 
OK, howz about this...as my very first post here....

Why are so many people who obviously do not own a Mac trashing Apple in a forum that (allegedly) is here to discuss current and upcoming product?

Macs work for people who use them. I use both...for very differing purposes at my office and my home.

Seriously, I'm all ears. If you don't like the product, why in the hell are you and others wasting people's time in a thread that was established to talk about the ads by spewing the same old cliches we've heard ever since Mac #1?

I came here hoping to find a discussion of the ads in question. Instead, it's the same old Mac vs. PC crap.

It's people like you, sir, that frankly I just don't understand.

Gee, I wonder why PC users who also happen to be OS X users would want to have a discussion about an ad the subtlety makes fun of and generalizes the whole PC community while at the same time spreads half-truths.
 
Why dont you want a PC? What is it about PCs that is so terrible? Theres nothing about macs that is that bad? Why not consider a PC? Have you used windows 7? Do you believe the mac ads?
I run XP in VMWare Fusion and BootCamp. I'm not a stranger to Windows. No, I have not tried Windows 7 (other than the first beta in VMWare), but I don't feel like I'm missing out. Especially when I see reviews from non-Mac sources saying Snow Leopard is still king of the hill as far as operating systems go. I've also read the ars mega Win7 review and I saw nothing in there that even slightly interested me. They admitted it was definitely the best version of Windows yet, but that's not really a selling point for a Mac user is it?

Why do I not want to try a PC now? Because I don't game very much. I'm a designer and I use AppleScript quite heavily to automate things. I have ~14,000 photos in my iPhoto Library, and hours of footage in my iMovie Library that are integrated in ways that nothing on the PC side can match. I use iTunes, which is nowhere near as good on the PC side. I don't want to mess with Antivirus software (free or not). The Windows registry is an absolute mess and the more stuff you install/uninstall the more likely something is to break. Oh, and how about all those Win7 activation issues I've been hearing about lately …that sounds fun.

Do you think PCs still get viruses and spyware?
I've personally had to clean up several PCs that were infected, so yeah. I've also removed multi-year expired anti-virus software off many machines and spent hours at a time installing 50+ security updates and Windows Genuine Advantage crap because there are a lot of people out there who don't keep on top of security updates.

I don't have a problem paying extra for things that make my life easier.
 
Umm, Apple just lowered their prices, what are you talking about?

I'm talking about if MS wasn't worried about Apple, they wouldn't make such a big deal about Macs in every one of their commercials.

Yeah, Apple lowered their prices. So? Perhaps it was a response to that. They're still expensive.

With regard to sudden influx, it's probably due to users becoming more savvy with tech, a average Mac user is not going to go to MADONION to post how well their 3D benchmarks did whereas new MAC users are starting to come on board but at the same time asking questions like why is the GPU so slow? Why is there no mid range offering.

Maybe, but if these same users are as tech-savvy as you think, then why do they need to come to forums at all? A quick Google search is all you need to determine the cost, reasoning, performance, etc.

On poster suggested that a mini tower would hurt Mac Pro sales, I think it would hurt iMac sales. Think about it, a new user comes in and probably has a monitor, see's a tower for $899 that has 4-8 cores, it would out sell the iMac.

Apple would never sell a $899 tower, even if they did offer a cheaper alternative to the iMac. The lowest I've ever seen is the $1299 PowerMac G4 from the earlier part of this decade. Would it cannibalize iMac sales? Probably somewhat, yeah. Apple's in the business to make money, which they're very good at, obviously. Blame them all you want, but they're a publicly traded company, not a charity. Don't like it? Fine. Buy a Dell tower.

The shame is that Apple fails to realize, and yes am saying this again, that they are missing out on a lot of sales, but I think they don't have the capacity to meet the demand should something like that happen, nonetheless, PROumers are users in between a PRO and Consumer and they use video apps, audio apps, these people would buy these machines where they find the mac too limiting, e.g., in audio, you need 3 HD's, as you need one for the OS, one for recording, one for samples and software instruments, and that is a huge business.

I'm fairly certain they do not care, given their profits of late.

Look at Avid, the owners of Avid and Pro Tools. They saw their Pro Tools sales slipping big time with computers getting faster, so they ended up buying M-Audio and make a bundle now.

The most amazing thing though, is that gamers buy more gamers then music and video's purchases combined, and yet apple doesn't address these users nor do they reach out to the PRO user that used to work in a studio and cannot afford a $3500 machine, but need the PCIe slots, lots of RAM, and these are the people that kept Apple afloat WAY before the iPhone.

However, it seems that everything is all about the iPhone and even the Pro users on Apple's own discussion group agree, that Apple doesn't really care about them with long waits on updates, bugs in software, and remember reading that (e.g.), the Logic group was only like 10 people. 10? That's not good if it's true.

Peace.
:apple:

I'm not making excuses for Apple. I think there should be a $1299 xMac with an i7. I think there should be more regular Pro app updates.

But until Apple's profits decline greatly, I don't think you're going to see a lot of concern from them.
 
Why dont you want a PC?

PC manufacturers either don't build a machine I want to buy, or they don't built cheap enough to make the switch worth it (Dual quad core xeons are still pretty close).

Yes, I can build a cheap core i7 with a retarded looking case for cheap. I've researched it, priced it out, and decided not to.


What is it about PCs that is so terrible?

Windows. Windows is what makes PCs terrible.

Theres nothing about macs that is that bad?

They aren't as cheap as I want them to be.

Why not consider a PC?

I bought one a while ago for running Maya because the mac version of Maya sucked, and Autodesk dropped support for the G5 (which I had at the time). Once I switched away from Maya, I had no reason to be in Windows anymore.

Have you used windows 7?

Yes. Better than Vista. But still Windows.

Do you believe the mac ads?

I pretty much don't believe any ads I see on TV anymore.

Do you think PCs still get viruses and spyware?

Yes. I got a virus/trojan/whatever on my PC last week that my anti-virus software managed to catch.
 
PC manufacturers either don't build a machine I want to buy, or they don't built cheap enough to make the switch worth it (Dual quad core xeons are still pretty close).

Yes, I can build a cheap core i7 with a retarded looking case for cheap. I've researched it, priced it out, and decided not to.

I don't blame you there. If you like Macs, you like Macs.


Windows. Windows is what makes PCs terrible.

I don't think Windows 7 is terrible, but it's not my preference either for a main machine.


I pretty much don't believe any ads I see on TV anymore.

It's scary to think people actually do believe TV ads to their fullest. But I guess someone must.

Yes. I got a virus/trojan/whatever on my PC last week that my anti-virus software managed to catch.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks Windows doesn't get viruses anymore because of Vista or 7 are severely uninformed and/or don't have a shred of computer/network experience outside of their home.
 
Why dont you want a PC? What is it about PCs that is so terrible? Theres nothing about macs that is that bad? Why not consider a PC? Have you used windows 7? Do you believe the mac ads? Do you think PCs still get viruses and spyware?

The real question, Sam, is why does it bother you so much that he wants a Mac and not a PC?

Seriously - why do you care?
 
Agreed. Anyone who thinks Windows doesn't get viruses anymore because of Vista or 7 are severely uninformed and/or don't have a shred of computer/network experience outside of their home.

Nobody is saying Windows doesn't get viruses anymore. At least me, all I'm saying is that the risk is way way way smaller than it was in XP.
 
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.14320/812; U; en) Presto/2.2.0)

cumanzor said:
Agreed. Anyone who thinks Windows doesn't get viruses anymore because of Vista or 7 are severely uninformed and/or don't have a shred of computer/network experience outside of their home.

Nobody is saying Windows doesn't get viruses anymore. At least me, all I'm saying is that the risk is way way way smaller than it was in XP.

The person who Venkman quoted thinks there aren't any viruses anymore. I can't check because I'm on my BB right now.

However of course it's decreased; the security is far better as of Vista SP1 and after.
 
The real question, Sam, is why does it bother you so much that he wants a Mac and not a PC?

Seriously - why do you care?
Honestly, I'm trying to find some valid reasons to get a mac. And I'd assume the people who prefer them would be able to provide this.

I am totally open to purchasing a mac. I've used them and liked it. But I hate seeing misinformed posts and I'm just generally curious why people chose their macs over PCs.

Not a big deal, I am not "bothered" about it, I just was trying to stir up the pot a little bit... call me a troll if you like.
 
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.14320/812; U; en) Presto/2.2.0)



The person who Venkman quoted thinks there aren't any viruses anymore. I can't check because I'm on my BB right now.

However of course it's decreased; the security is far better as of Vista SP1 and after.
Not really saying there are no viruses anymore. I'm saying the risk of getting a virus is... negligible.

I've never had a virus in 10 years. I've been to one fairly sketchy site, clicked on something and had my free A/V software come up and say "this is identified as potentially being a virus" so I clicked the back button in my browser.

I have no idea how people are still getting more than the VERY VERY occasional pop up on their computer. No clue. What are you doing that gives you viruses? Maybe everyone watches a lot more sketchy porn than I do, who knows.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

slappy sam said:
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.14320/812; U; en) Presto/2.2.0)



The person who Venkman quoted thinks there aren't any viruses anymore. I can't check because I'm on my BB right now.

However of course it's decreased; the security is far better as of Vista SP1 and after.
Not really saying there are no viruses anymore. I'm saying the risk of getting a virus is... negligible.

I've never had a virus in 10 years. I've been to one fairly sketchy site, clicked on something and had my free A/V software come up and say "this is identified as potentially being a virus" so I clicked the back button in my browser.

I have no idea how people are still getting more than the VERY VERY occasional pop up on their computer. No clue. What are you doing that gives you viruses? Maybe everyone watches a lot more sketchy porn than I do, who knows.

I'm not doing anything to get viruses, and I don't get any.

Users, on the other hand are quite talented at finding it.
 
I don't understand how these ads are still airing. There is absolutely nothing factual in them, they are just making BS up and some of its sticking because people are too ignorant to actually do some research.

<BUNCH OF STUFF DELETED>

And I am actually currently taking boundary layers and heat transfer thank you very much.

Oh. I get it. You're in college, and think you know everything. You're bright enough, I'm sure, but just because you're taking a mechanical engineering class (I'm assuming) doesn't make you a mechanical engineer.

Just because you're able to build a computer from components does not make you a hardware engineer, and just because you're able to install and operating system does not make you a systems administrator.

For the record, I *am* a Systems Administrator, as well as Software Engineer, with 20 years of experience, and a Masters Degrees in both Software Systems Engineering and Information Systems from a top-rated school, and graduated top of my class with a perfect 4.0, for the record, since you're in college and such things probably still mean something to you. FTR, they're *really* important until about a year after you graduate...then they're fairly meaningless, once you have some real experience.

I'm an operating systems expert by anyone's definition of the term (I wrote my own at one point), and I've used everything from a TRS-80 and an Atari 800 (made long before you were born) to the latest and greatest, and damn near everything in-between including MS-DOS, Windows 2, 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, NT, 2000, XP, and 7, as well as Mac OS 4-9, and Mac OS X versions 10.2 through the current Snow Leopard, Sun OS starting from before it was called "Solaris," HP/UX, AIX, NeXTStep, Digital Unix, VMS, VAX, a dozen Linux variants, and probably others I've forgotten.

If you'll note, I listed the operating systems, not the hardware. Why? Because that's what really matters. As long as the hardware is fast enough and has the needed peripherals, it's otherwise irrelevant in 99% of cases. Windows 7 is a vast improvement, but Mac OS X is still superior in virtually every respect.

As a Software Engineer, my area of expertise is End User Experience (I double-majored in psychology for my B.S., so it was a natural specialty), and I can tell you that Apple has *forgotten* more about that topic than Microsoft has ever known.

Have you noticed that the "Find" command across the various MS Office applications (at least as of Office 2003) lives in FIVE different locations? It's sold as a "productivity SUITE" and yet such a basic command is in a different menu in Word, PowerPoint, and Excel, and Outlook actually has TWO locations for it, depending on whether you're in the scrolling window, or have double-clicked a message and its in its own window. The Windows Explorer, BTW, DOES NOT HAVE A FIND FUNCTION IN THE MENU as of Windows XP, but if you hit Control-F (or maybe it's F2...I forget), it DOES bring up the window to do a search.

So, I have one question:

What MORON designs their user interfaces?!?!?!?

BTW, this is all from memory (I'm not on Windows at the moment), so I might have a minor detail or two wrong, but I know the gist of Microsoft's inconsistency is correct. And appalling.

As a Systems Administrator, Windows is a royal pain in the rear. Windows 7 is a VAST improvement over Vista and XP in virtually every respect. I'll grant that. But it's still no OS X. I'm not going to bother getting into the details, because (a) you're in college, think you know everything and won't listen anyway, and (b) I have better things to do. I'll leave that to others, except to say that you haven't had Windows 7 long enough for it to degrade like Windows always does. The common term is "Windows rot," as I'm sure you know. Microsoft is still using the same registry they've been using for years, so Windows 7 ***WILL*** have the same "rot" issues that it's had for years. Just give it time. You'll be re-installing it within 12-18 months.

BTW, my brother is using a 9-year-old 1GHz PowerMac G4 (and the G4 was a *dog* compared to the newer Intel chips, clock speed held equal), it has *NEVER* been re-imaged from scratch, though the OS has been upgraded 4 times (Jaguar to Panther to Tiger to Leopard), still runs flawlessly to this day, and is actually *faster* than when it was new, because unlike Microsoft, Apple has spent time making their OS both more efficient and smaller, while Windows simply gets larger and slower with each release.

As far as your hardware price comparison, I haven't bothered to run the numbers to compare, because I honestly don't care and your comparison doesn't hold water. Your numbers for the Mac Pro do sound a bit high, though, but whatever.

First off, you *BUILT* your machine, so OF COURSE it's way cheaper. Duh. Companies DO want to be paid for DESIGNING and BUILDING the machine, as well as make some little thing called "profit."

I would suggest an economics course for you next semester.

Second, you compared it to the Mac Pro, which I'll be the first to admit is over-priced, (though it's one HELL of a machine), and the only model for which I would actually agree that Apple has it priced too high...gorgeous, snazzy aluminum case notwithstanding, it's too high. Agreed. The new 27" iMac, however, is an absolute and complete *STEAL* (particularly the $1699 model). The screen ALONE on the iMac is such high resolution and view quality as to probably be worth upwards of $1200 (and it's not just a 27" vs 27" comparison....the other specs and quality matter TREMENDOUSLY), and the actual computer in it is virtually free. Apple's laptops are also VERY well priced, and you DO get what you pay for.

But again, it's really all about the OS, and while Windows 7 is an improvement, but it's still Windows. I will NEVER consider Windows as my daily computer until they ditch the registry and come up with something completely different and better. And fix their horrible user interface....you'll never know how awful it really is until you use a Mac for a year, THEN go back to using Windows. Seriously. It's not even close.

Now, go back to class and come back when you actually know what you're talking about (that'll be about 10-15 years, BTW).
 
Oh. I get it. You're in college, and think you know everything. You're bright enough, I'm sure, but just because you're taking a mechanical engineering class (I'm assuming) doesn't make you a mechanical engineer....

<snip>

tl;dr: I'm a system administrator, etc, thus my opinion is completely valid.

Honestly though, someone again comes off with nothing more than opinions. That's not all, you also come off as pretentious. I'm pretty sure this place has a lot of experts in different areas, but... believe me, someone with credible arguments, and someone who knows what he is talking about doesn't need to yell his titles out loud so people can pay attention to him.
 
tl;dr: I'm a system administrator, etc, thus my opinion is completely valid..

It's called establishing a basis of EXPERIENCE instead of spouting off crap like "Mac sux and Windows 7 rocks even though I'm only 19 and Windows is the only thing I've ever used." I see that all too often and get tired of it.
 
It's called establishing a basis of EXPERIENCE instead of spouting off crap like "Mac sux and Windows 7 rocks even though I'm only 19 and Windows is the only thing I've ever used." I see that all too often and get tired of it.

Don't worry. We also get to see the "Lol, OS X rocks, Windows 7 sucks, it's still windows, lol blue screen, ballmer should be shot, I'm a sysadmin so I my opinion is the only valid opinion out there" guys.

btw, great assumption there bro, that I've only used Windows in my life.
 
Hmmm..

Lets all just think a minute.

The OS war is over. Its that simple. The number of Windows users is around 80-90% worldwide, Apple is around 5%.

How can you possibly expect 90% of people to ditch their machines and buy brand new (expensive) Apples? Its like trying to persuade everyone to ditch their petrol car and buy an electric one. Not. Going. To. Happen.

So the only thing left to do is to make fun of the top dog.

I always laugh when I see Apple ads because it must KILL them that they have had to accept people cant live without Windows. They admitted to losing the OS war when they let Windows run on their machines.


They did try though... I laughed out loud as Apple tried to hold the visual effects community to ransom, by trying to force them to buy Shake + Macs.. That worked out grrrreat. People just developed Shake 2.5 in house.. hahahhaha
 
I have tried to make the best comparison possible. Would you mind linking me to a list of the server grade parts the mac pro uses so that I can make a more justified comparison? Are the server grade parts worth triple what the consumer grade are? This seems to be people's reason for paying more for a mac - better parts.

Mac Pros are Workstations, meaning that they use Server Grade Parts such as: Quad-Core Xeon Chips, Server-Grade 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drives,

DDR3 ECC SDRAM, housed in a case which is built to last. Have you priced a similar spec'd Workstation at Dell? It would come in at circa $3,700.00, which would actually

be more expensive than the Mac Pro.

You won't have trouble with viruses with either OS, like I said.

You are speaking for hundreds of thousands of people with diverse work environments, connected to servers which are highly susceptible to viral attacks, hackers, cloaked trojans, etc.

UK sites attacked by mystery web virus, for example.

Why is it a premium solution? Give me reasons why it is better, not why windows is worse.

When a computer system: hardware, operating system, and software, designed by one company with high standards, whose components and software are integrated to work together seamlessly, and are

backed by that same company, (no needing to call multiple customer services: Dell, Toshiba, Microsoft, Corsair, Samsung, etc.) you have a premium solution. An MS PC cannot offer

such an integrated solution, as Microsoft does not design and sell computer hardware designed specifically to work with their OS and software.
 
Oh. I get it. You're in college, and think you know everything. You're bright enough, I'm sure, but just because you're taking a mechanical engineering class (I'm assuming) doesn't make you a mechanical engineer.

Just because you're able to build a computer from components does not make you a hardware engineer, and just because you're able to install and operating system does not make you a systems administrator.

For the record, I *am* a Systems Administrator, as well as Software Engineer, with 20 years of experience, and a Masters Degrees in both Software Systems Engineering and Information Systems from a top-rated school, and graduated top of my class with a perfect 4.0, for the record, since you're in college and such things probably still mean something to you. FTR, they're *really* important until about a year after you graduate...then they're fairly meaningless, once you have some real experience.

I'm an operating systems expert by anyone's definition of the term (I wrote my own at one point), and I've used everything from a TRS-80 and an Atari 800 (made long before you were born) to the latest and greatest, and damn near everything in-between including MS-DOS, Windows 2, 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, NT, 2000, XP, and 7, as well as Mac OS 4-9, and Mac OS X versions 10.2 through the current Snow Leopard, Sun OS starting from before it was called "Solaris," HP/UX, AIX, NeXTStep, Digital Unix, VMS, VAX, a dozen Linux variants, and probably others I've forgotten.

If you'll note, I listed the operating systems, not the hardware. Why? Because that's what really matters. As long as the hardware is fast enough and has the needed peripherals, it's otherwise irrelevant in 99% of cases. Windows 7 is a vast improvement, but Mac OS X is still superior in virtually every respect.

As a Software Engineer, my area of expertise is End User Experience (I double-majored in psychology for my B.S., so it was a natural specialty), and I can tell you that Apple has *forgotten* more about that topic than Microsoft has ever known.

Have you noticed that the "Find" command across the various MS Office applications (at least as of Office 2003) lives in FIVE different locations? It's sold as a "productivity SUITE" and yet such a basic command is in a different menu in Word, PowerPoint, and Excel, and Outlook actually has TWO locations for it, depending on whether you're in the scrolling window, or have double-clicked a message and its in its own window. The Windows Explorer, BTW, DOES NOT HAVE A FIND FUNCTION IN THE MENU as of Windows XP, but if you hit Control-F (or maybe it's F2...I forget), it DOES bring up the window to do a search.

So, I have one question:

What MORON designs their user interfaces?!?!?!?

BTW, this is all from memory (I'm not on Windows at the moment), so I might have a minor detail or two wrong, but I know the gist of Microsoft's inconsistency is correct. And appalling.

As a Systems Administrator, Windows is a royal pain in the rear. Windows 7 is a VAST improvement over Vista and XP in virtually every respect. I'll grant that. But it's still no OS X. I'm not going to bother getting into the details, because (a) you're in college, think you know everything and won't listen anyway, and (b) I have better things to do. I'll leave that to others, except to say that you haven't had Windows 7 long enough for it to degrade like Windows always does. The common term is "Windows rot," as I'm sure you know. Microsoft is still using the same registry they've been using for years, so Windows 7 ***WILL*** have the same "rot" issues that it's had for years. Just give it time. You'll be re-installing it within 12-18 months.

BTW, my brother is using a 9-year-old 1GHz PowerMac G4 (and the G4 was a *dog* compared to the newer Intel chips, clock speed held equal), it has *NEVER* been re-imaged from scratch, though the OS has been upgraded 4 times (Jaguar to Panther to Tiger to Leopard), still runs flawlessly to this day, and is actually *faster* than when it was new, because unlike Microsoft, Apple has spent time making their OS both more efficient and smaller, while Windows simply gets larger and slower with each release.

As far as your hardware price comparison, I haven't bothered to run the numbers to compare, because I honestly don't care and your comparison doesn't hold water. Your numbers for the Mac Pro do sound a bit high, though, but whatever.

First off, you *BUILT* your machine, so OF COURSE it's way cheaper. Duh. Companies DO want to be paid for DESIGNING and BUILDING the machine, as well as make some little thing called "profit."

I would suggest an economics course for you next semester.

Second, you compared it to the Mac Pro, which I'll be the first to admit is over-priced, (though it's one HELL of a machine), and the only model for which I would actually agree that Apple has it priced too high...gorgeous, snazzy aluminum case notwithstanding, it's too high. Agreed. The new 27" iMac, however, is an absolute and complete *STEAL* (particularly the $1699 model). The screen ALONE on the iMac is such high resolution and view quality as to probably be worth upwards of $1200 (and it's not just a 27" vs 27" comparison....the other specs and quality matter TREMENDOUSLY), and the actual computer in it is virtually free. Apple's laptops are also VERY well priced, and you DO get what you pay for.

But again, it's really all about the OS, and while Windows 7 is an improvement, but it's still Windows. I will NEVER consider Windows as my daily computer until they ditch the registry and come up with something completely different and better. And fix their horrible user interface....you'll never know how awful it really is until you use a Mac for a year, THEN go back to using Windows. Seriously. It's not even close.

Now, go back to class and come back when you actually know what you're talking about (that'll be about 10-15 years, BTW).

Epic post. +1,000 sir.

clapping.gif


And by the way, the "different and better" Windows is one based on UNIX. As soon as MS overhauls the current NT-based bloated pile that Windows has become, and replaces it with "WIN/UX", then Apple has some real competition. Who here thinks they'll actually do this?
 
And by the way, the "different and better" Windows is one based on UNIX. As soon as MS overhauls the current NT-based bloated pile that Windows has become, and replaces it with "WIN/UX", then Apple has some real competition. Who here thinks they'll actually do this?
The day they hire Avie Tevanian would be the day I'd believe they'd consider doing so - very doubtful, as they are quite happy to remain complacent within their world of archaic legacy.
 
tl;dr: I'm a system administrator, etc, thus my opinion is completely valid.

Honestly though, someone again comes off with nothing more than opinions. That's not all, you also come off as pretentious. I'm pretty sure this place has a lot of experts in different areas, but... believe me, someone with credible arguments, and someone who knows what he is talking about doesn't need to yell his titles out loud so people can pay attention to him.

Uh, then why did *YOU* do the exact same thing?
 
tl;dr: I'm a system administrator, etc, thus my opinion is completely valid.

Honestly though, someone again comes off with nothing more than opinions. That's not all, you also come off as pretentious. I'm pretty sure this place has a lot of experts in different areas, but... believe me, someone with credible arguments, and someone who knows what he is talking about doesn't need to yell his titles out loud so people can pay attention to him.


You forgot to log in to your other account to respond. oops.
 
Epic post. +1,000 sir.

And by the way, the "different and better" Windows is one based on UNIX. As soon as MS overhauls the current NT-based bloated pile that Windows has become, and replaces it with "WIN/UX", then Apple has some real competition. Who here thinks they'll actually do this?

Conspiracy theorists already think they've begun implementing parts of BSD code.

But I'm not a programmer (just an admin) nor do I have access to Windows source code, so I can't confirm nor deny.
 
And by the way, the "different and better" Windows is one based on UNIX.

Which UNIX? There are so many branches, variants, and even trees that "based on UNIX" is almost a joke. ("based on UNIX XYZ" wouldn't be a joke.)

UNIX is a set of APIs with a large number of implementations, not a singular body of code.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.