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This is more than a little hard to believe, with their cost of fixing a display. And third party "fixit" stores are selling displays and doing the repairs for cheaper, and still making money - and they don't have access to Apple's supply lines. It doesn't make any sense, I'm calling rubbish.

At least a few of the "fixit" stores out there are using parts that... fit, but are not always the same parts. Some of the "repaired" products that make their way into my hands.. holy cow.. wrong, wrong, wrong wrong... (to the tune of a grandfather clock) Wrong wrong wrong wrong.... Lots of crappy parts out there that.. 'fit'.
 
Not really.

The App Store on iOS is the same idea as a PlayStation being able to only play PlayStation games. It’s a closed system. There’s no “anti trust” nor “monopoly” here.

As for prices, that’s up to the developers. Since the developer sell their apps directly to consumers, there’s no anti-trust imo.

In the traditional retailer concept, retailers buy stuff from the producers, and then they compete with each other by re selling the product to consumers. Consumers don’t interact directly with producers.

But what if the producer themselves can sell their stuff directly to consumers? That’s what the App Store did, allowing software developers to sell apps digitally directly to consumers. So the traditional concept of “competition” and “monopoly” no longer applies here. The software developers are pricing their own products and selling them directly to consumers via the App Store. Why do you want a “competitor middle-men” here when you are already dealing directly with the software developer? Why should the software developer be competing with him/herself?
No, you're arguing a strawman.

I never said there is anything "anti trust" or "monopoly" in this thread. WHatever your response is, it isn't relevant to anything I've said.

My point is how Apple and Google exert police their respective platforms. Take the vaping app ban for example. Apple just went and did it without any public comment and without consulting any developers. It's not like iOS users can just go to the Google Play Store to get those apps back. I don't want to get into the merits of the actual ban (that is irrelevant here), the point is that its an very important decision that affects a lot of the public that Apple just went and made in a black box. That is wrong.
 
Hmmm I thought Apple deliberately makes their products nearly impossible to repair (using glue, rivets etc.) so they can profit from the huge repair fees?

Guess that was just the usual Apple-hate crap. How surprising :rolleyes:

They profit from the repairs costing so much, that people just go out and buy a new one that's sold at a 20-30% profit margin...
 
Let Apple tells us how many people coming in for repairs decided, on their own volition, because it wasn’t worth it to repair an old device in their opinion, to buy a new device instead and how much they make in that overall transaction?
Car dealers would rather you buy a new car than repair and old one and the list goes on and on. I can’t see what is unique to any one manufacturer.

Except it's proven time and time again devices Apple says cannot be repaired economically are trivial for 3rd parties to get working. And that's with Apple getting in their way at every step, imagine if they weren't constantly threatened and blocked.

Why is Apple so scared of second opinions if they're telling the truth?

If Apple can't make a profit why is it scared 3rd parties being able to access original parts somehow will?
 
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... and on top of that, I don't know about Acer and HP, but Lenovo and Dell are three year warranty by default!
Looking at a Dell XPS 13 2-In-1 with Ice Lake (7390) and it comes with a 1-Year for free, but three year (3) Premium Support is +$200 and Premium Support Plus - Accidents is +$430 for three (3) years.

Same for a Dell for their XPS 8930 Desktop only the Premium three years is +$299 and Premium Plus three years is +$539.

Im not sure where you’re seeing three year warranty by default, but not here in the US Store.
 
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Except it's proven time and time again devices Apple says cannot be repaired economically are trivial for 3rd parties to get working. And that's with Apple getting in their way at every step, imagine if they weren't constantly threatened and blocked.

Why is Apple so scared of second opinions if they're telling the truth?

If Apple can't make a profit why is it scared 3rd parties being able to access original parts somehow will?

Because otherwise, you'd buy a shiny new toy from them, and now you're not generating them new profit!
 
There must've been a reason, I seriously doubt that a copration that would charge you per single press of a key on their gear, if they could get away with it, would give you GBP800 out of generousity, I suspect there's something you're not telling us, or they not told you so as to give the exact "experience" you are relaying.
Apple gave me a brand new computer on two separate occasions. So yeah. They would.
 
Looking at a Dell XPS 13 2-In-1 with Ice Lake (7390) and it comes with a 1-Year for free, but three year (3) Premium Support is +$200 and Premium Support Plus - Accidents is +$430 for three (3) years.

Same for a Dell for their XPS 8930 Desktop only the Premium three years is +$299 and Premium Plus three years is +$539.

Im not sure where you’re seeing three year warranty by default, but not here in the US Store.

Looking at Precision 3541, "3Yr Basic onsite" on their UK website (see attached) ditto stateside (perhaps they don't warrant non-Pro gear, but Apple claims theirs is Pro)

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Apple gave me a brand new computer on two separate occasions. So yeah. They would.

New, or "new"? They would only give you that if the cost of repair exceed unit production cost of the new one.
 

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You're not even close, and you missed the point of what I said, or you're that dumb---the point is that you can buy games for both PS4 and Xbox in many places, which invalidates what I was responding to, I wan't talking about games exclusive for platforms! But, in any case, I can buy Mario Kart in many shops too, I don't need to go to Nintendo Store! Dumbarse!

But but but, why can't I buy Mario add ons anywhere? You mean I can only get it from Nintendo's store?!!?
 
They already are. The Apple TV and HomePod are both selling at cost or below. Not now with discounts but when they were introduced. You can't squeeze all that incredibly high tech in a HomePod and sell it for $349. It was a steal at that price, sound-wise. Now that you find them for $100 off occasionally, it's almost theft.
They can do this because look at the price they sell a monitor stand for, it's almost theft. LoL =)
 
Except it's proven time and time again devices Apple says cannot be repaired economically are trivial for 3rd parties to get working. And that's with Apple getting in their way at every step, imagine if they weren't constantly threatened and blocked.

Why is Apple so scared of second opinions if they're telling the truth?

If Apple can't make a profit why is it scared 3rd parties being able to access original parts somehow will?
So take it to a third party. Seems like an easy-peasy decision for someone. No second guessing.

This right to repair is a distraction to the main point. I don’t have to defend Apple, only respond to the blatant hyperbole in this thread.
 
Apple is probably fudging the numbers and including product recall expense.

Creative accounting---I looked at my "invoice" for the MBP17" GPU "repair" (if you recall that one was at Apple's expense), they billed me usual repair rates then presumably written it off at that price, cf. what you'd think an honest company would do---write it off at cost.
 
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Hmmm I thought Apple deliberately makes their products nearly impossible to repair (using glue, rivets etc.) so they can profit from the huge repair fees?

Guess that was just the usual Apple-hate crap. How surprising :rolleyes:

Also, the products they sell. People will have to select higher specs, knowing that you can't upgrade RAM or HD space after you buy it. A lot of people select minimum specs and add those upgrades later instead getting from higher price Apple.
 
Oh Apple I want to believe you , I really do , but when you charge an arm and leg for a stupid screen sensor the level of trust just goes down. Cause and effect !
 
Lies, Apple! The same way Apple did not benefit from throttling iPhone batteries? What utter lies, Apple. Shame on you, Tim Cook.

Does Apple not profit from selling AppleCare+ insurance by selling poorly protected hardware? Which other tech company sells its own-brand insurance alongside its hardware?

Apple benefits from making hardware more difficult to repair and easy to damage (with dust and spills). Customers opt to purchase new hardware instead of repairing their existing Apple hardware.

My wife spilled water onto the keyboard of her MacBook Air a couple months ago, and the MBA turned off within seconds. While researching the issue online, I discovered Louis Rossmann on YouTube and follow him closely now. I took the device to Rossmann based on his transparency.

He makes no secret of his hate for Apple and how difficult, and sometimes impossible, Apple has made it for independent repair/service providers to fix Apple hardware, namely MacBooks.

Watch and learn: How Apple is shaping the future of repair.


Honestly whether you like Apple’s repair policies or not throttling the processor was the right thing to do, a device should not turn off just because it is older and the battery cannot operate at full voltage anymore. Yeah maybe they should have told people about it but it’s not that big of a deal ...
 
For example, when asked to identify the total revenue that it has derived from repair services since 2009, Apple said "the costs of providing repair services has exceeded the revenue generated by repairs" in each year over that period.

Be interesting to see a breakdown of that calculation. Presumably they include warranty jobs and aren't just talking about paid repairs and exclude replacements that you've gotta pay for because they won't repair?

There's always a trick... Apple aren't feeding the homeless by saying 'nah sorry the green sticker is now red from sweat/humidity, you'll have to pay $400 for a replacement'.
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Honestly whether you like Apple’s repair policies or not throttling the processor was the right thing to do, a device should not turn off just because it is older and the battery cannot operate at full voltage anymore. Yeah maybe they should have told people about it but it’s not that big of a deal ...

Three flaws in that logic:
1. Who says batteries were busted? They just throttled older devices, not ones (including new ones that are faulty) with busted batteries. If it was outta good will (and concern that batteries won't last long enough) they woulda had a message to users of new phones saying 'hey your battery is faulty, take it in for a free replacement!'
2. The devices didn't magically throttle back to top-speed when you replaced the battery, so it had nothing to do with your battery's capacity. If it was to do with batteries then they wouldn't have throttled, they woulda had a message saying 'hey your battery is running at 70% capacity... replace it!!'
3. It has nothing to do with their repair policy, it was just a mean spirited nudge tactic that enabled them to say 'maybe get a new phone' when people came in saying 'my phone is running slow' and generic tips like 'delete a few apps or do a full restore to flush things out' didn't do anything. Oh duh, because Apple had hard-coded the devices to run slowly!
 
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And you just blindly believe everything you're told? As the saying goes: "if you ask the inmates, everyone in prison is innocent"
Because we ALL blindly just KNOW that everyone in prison is guilty. Those folks that were exonerated, they weren’t really IN prison, they were just kinda... ok they were in prison, but they were guilty, like, at one point... ok so they WEREN’T guilty, but people THOUGHT they were guilty and... well, until they were proven innocent.

There’s plenty enough “blind allegiance“ to go around, the only difference is who they listen to :)
 
This is more than a little hard to believe, with their cost of fixing a display. And third party "fixit" stores are selling displays and doing the repairs for cheaper, and still making money - and they don't have access to Apple's supply lines. It doesn't make any sense, I'm calling rubbish.
Not so hard to belive. Normal repair shops would just fix a broken port for example and Apple would change the entire motherboard plus the ram and the ssd. There is obviously cost deficiency in this model but you make sure that the repair is complete and the client receives back the repaired device in brand new condition. What Apple should do is make public complete repair guides as in the old times.
 
Hmmm I thought Apple deliberately makes their products nearly impossible to repair (using glue, rivets etc.) so they can profit from the huge repair fees?

Guess that was just the usual Apple-hate crap. How surprising :rolleyes:
They are impossible to repair so you end up buying a new one.
 
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