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The Chinese language daily quoted market watchers who said that the keyboard is hard to build and its original Singapore-based supplier was having difficulties meeting Apple's demand, prompting Apple to transfer orders to Wistron.
Let's make the keyboard harder to build - you know, the ones nobody likes in the first place. That's almost government level of stupidity - "Let's spend more money on those planes - you know, the ones we can't get to fly".
 
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Yes, because removing legacy ports makes sense when you're including USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports that have the bandwidth and compatibility to handle pretty much any peripheral connection you can think of. There's no need for the laptop to act as the hub anymore. The user can buy an external hub that contains the number/variety of legacy ports that suits their purposes best and then plug it into a single USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 port.

Yes, because carrying around a dock and having a bunch of cable hanging off a dongle is a so much better solution than making the laptop 2mm thicker and keeping a mix of current and future ports.
 
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Personally... I could deal with the dongles, but no memory card slot not so much. I have a storage adaptor that works with for a microSD card and rests flush with the side when inserted. Serves as an extra hard drive, primarily for Plex stuff. I'll stick with my recent 13" MBP until it doesn't work any more ;)
Sometimes I wonder whether Apple should offer a Fusion drive in its laptops, with the 'HDD' component being a much cheaper and much slower SSD. In the meantime, you could try a small profile USB stick (of the USB-C kind obviously).
 
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March event, they will bring new mac mini/imac and internal upgrades for the Mac pro with bringing of the new touchbar keyboard to use with them
I sure hope you are right. For the computer updates that is. I wanna see a monster MacPro cylinder with power that destroys everything in it's path!! Code name Gojira! And it would be nice if they offered a graphics card update for existing MacPro's as well. My fear is we'll see is a minor speed bump, 6 USB-C ports and a thinner lighter cylinder available in Rose Gold. Ugh.... :(
 
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A little optimistic. Sure nobody can argue that MacBook Pro fans are desperate for any kind of an update to the product line and initial sales are strong, but Apple has a repeated trend of very quick tapering off of shipments only a few months after release.

I just don't see this current "revamp" carrying forward strongly long into 2017; those that are already complaining about the lack of "professional" features and options are simply going to continue to wait until the "next" MacBook Pro, or get fed up with Apple completely and go with someone else.

On the other hand, knowing that Apple hasn't been quick to update MacBook Pro, or any Mac product that is, on a quick cycle, most people might just begrudgingly give in and realize this is as good as its going to get and so this could allow a stronger trickle of sales in 2017, we will see.
 
Sure...it just doesn't have the performance.

https://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6355

"I finally got my MBP to do a teeny bit of back and forth swapping as I pushed up close (15GB) to the 16GB memory limit. I have to open almost every last thing on my system. Here’s what I ran:



  • VMwarei Fusion: Three running virtual machines (Windows 10, macOS Sierra, Debian Linux)
  • Adobe Photoshop CC: Four 1+gb 36 MP professional, multi-layer photos
  • Adobe InDesign CC: A 22 page photography-intensive project
  • Adobe Bridge CC: Browsing a folder with 163GB photos (307 images total)
  • DxO Optics Pro: (Pro-photography workflow software) Editing a folder of images
  • Xcode: Five production Objective-C projects, all cleaned and rebuilt
  • Microsoft PowerPoint: A slide deck presentation
  • Microsoft Word: Fifteen different chapters (separate .doc files) from my last book
  • Microsoft Excel: A single workbook
  • MachOView: Analyzing a daemon binary
  • Mozilla FireFox: Four different websites, each in a separate window
  • Safari: Eleven different websites, each in a separate window
  • Preview: Three PDF books, including one very graphic intensive book
  • Hopper Disassembler: Performing an analysis on a binary
  • WireShark: Performing a live network capture as I do all of this
  • IDA Pro 64-bit: Analyzing a 64-bit intel binary
  • Apple Mail: Viewing four mailboxes
  • Tweetbot: Reading all the flames and trolls in my mentions
  • iBooks: Currently viewing an ebook I paid for
  • Skype: Logged in and idling
  • Terminal: A few sessions idling
  • iTunes
  • Little Flocker
  • Little Snitch
  • OverSight
  • Finder
  • Messages
  • FaceTime
  • Calendar
  • Contacts
  • Photos
  • Veracrypt
  • Activity Monitor
  • Path Finder
  • Console
  • Probably a lot I’ve missed"
I wish more people could see this! The people who only focus on hardware forget about the Mac OS
and its efficiency as well Apple's apps. Yeah, I think the macs are too expensive but I also think they are the
best!
 
Wow... this is a literal slap in the face to the photographer crowd!
 
Has anyone been able to find out when Apple stores will have the new 2016 MBP's with Touchbar to view in person?

I've called multiple times, and stopped by my nearest store here in CO a few days ago. No Apple store employees seem to know anything. I know Apple said they would ship 2-3 weeks from the Oct 27th announcement, but you would think they have enough stock to send to stores for demoing by now?
 
Yes, because carrying around a dock and having a bunch of cable hanging off a dongle is a so much better solution than making the laptop 2mm thicker and keeping a mix of current and future ports.
The question is always what percentage of users will actually need a dock (or more than one dongle) and how often they will need a dock. When I travel, the only thing I ever plug into my laptop is power and iOS devices (and for the latter I just would have to carry a different cable).
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Quite possible. Professional trolls.
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The photographer crowd that now can attach two 5K displays to a 13" MacBook.
Not quite, it one 5K on the 13" MBP and two 5K displays on the 15" MBP (though two 4K on the 13").
 
Ok ok. Please define "pros". I'm a pro user and albeit I'm not planning to get a new Macbook Pro 15" just now (My 2y old Macbook Pro 15" is still more than excellent) it would suit my "pro" needs if I were buying one.
So again what is pro user? Or should the question be: What is the field/domain the self defined "pro" is working in?
I'm pretty sure there are zillions "pros" out there for whom these Macbook Pros would do wonders and as always there are other "pros" for whom these new laptops are disappointing. Like always.
But please don't put all the "pros" in the same basket :)

Now the price hike is unwelcomed for sure...

A lot of people get caught up between "pro" users (i.e. Pro tasks) and "pro" computers.

There are tons of different things a "pro" user might need to do. The "pro" machine should ideally be able to serve all of them, in one form or another.

Else it's rather meaningless... A "pro" blogger could use a 2005 Dell with Linux but that won't make it a "pro" machine necessarily.

What has people upset is that the "Pro" MacBook is the highest performance available. If they need more power, there's nowhere left to go. All the people who's needs are less can buy just about any Mac or even non-Apple computer from the past 5 years, depending on their needs. They have tons of options.
 
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I see better things to be worried about than this new Macbook.
I agree - global warming, growing fiscal deficits, migration + integration, etc. More important issues to worried about than the specs of some 1st world "luxury" portable computer. :eek:
 
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Most of the nay-Sayers on Macrumors would disagree with this headline, But I think the Pro will do well, being a large majority have been waiting for a refresh. Myself included.
This.
I know quite some people who made themselves wait until this refresh.

All think is quite expensive, but all have ordered anyway....
 
I have a feeling the price increase went too far for European consumers, it's going hurt demand. Perhaps some will just get a lower spec Mac than they wanted to get the price down, but based on comments and polls here, more than 1/2 are planning to either keep using their old Macs or switch to a pc laptop.

That's mostly the UK, where the pound dropped fatally against the dollar. And the pound dropping will hurt demand in many, many things over the next year.
 
You're absolutely right - USB-C is easily the way forward.
Secondly, if you're going to release Lightning headphones, why not then have at least one lightning port on the MacBook Pro?

How would a lightning port be useful on the MacBook Pro? Are there a lot of accessories you plug to your iPhone that you would also like to plug in to your laptop?
 
Was it the Jonathan Morrison 'The truth about the 2016 MacBook Pro 13' one?

That's one of the things we love about Apple. The fact that they build a complete end-to-end product..... if you use Apple tools. And that's a big 'If'. Most of my professional 2D & 3D tools are made by 3rd party companies such as Autodesk and The Foundry. They're not (always) able or willing to work as close to the hardware as Apple themselves does. Which swings the raw speed advantage back to the beefier hardware offered by the likes of HP, Boxxx, homebuilt, etc.
Yep, and if the tool isn't working for you, totally understand why you'd want to change.
Yeah, you can run a pc for work if you don't go on the internet with it and you clear off all the ad/bloatware.
Not my cup of tea ..cheers
 
The problem has never been about money, at least for me and my pro usage, it is all about memory, convenience, and performance. The display is too small, the memory is not upgradable, and the performance is lacking.

As a professional, you understand that you can't meet every customers demands (due to profitability). They're going to build the device that sells the most. And performance wise, anything more then this should be done on a desktop/server.
 
Pro users would rather save their money and use the previous generation. The bigger issue is that apple cannot get the enterprise/finance side of business, and Microsoft is heading straight into creative in a big way. If Microsoft bites into creative, apple has a bigger problem. Most companies would much rather have one computer system with support and compatibility rather than one for finance/books and one for creative. Apple has grown complacent, and Microsoft is getting a serious look from artists of all stripes.
I completely agree with you. The only thing I would add is that once the hype for this product has settled, I think it will be a tough sell for the average consumer; I don't see how they'll find value in the product, seeing as there are better options than ever on the market.
 
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That's mostly the UK, where the pound dropped fatally against the dollar. And the pound dropping will hurt demand in many, many things over the next year.
The post-Brexit-pound-plummet is going to affect a lot more goods than this. Prices rises must be expected now on anything that is made in America or sold by American companies to the UK.
 
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