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The maps app on iphone was absolutely written by Apple (even in the days when it fetched data from google’s servers). What are you talking about?
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The first part of your sentence has nothing to do with the second. Yes, google gave them “permission,” and google has an SDK for third parties to use maps (just like apple does). But apple didn’t merely “port” anything over. They wrote the app themselves, from scratch. Only the map data came from google.
Realityck
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If Apple can break up iTunes into pieces (Music, TV, Books) they can sure do that a bit to the Apple App Store for IOS and IpadOS. Perhaps this been something they even considered all along as the OS evolves.
You could have a large collection of creative and work apps, why not separate the play and other parts of the store to allow additional visibility for more productive products.
if you open the App Store on iPadOS , they only have games, apps, arcade listed as choices. Something very wrong with that given how much is on the store.
Maximara
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I doubt that any sane developer would sue because an OS update broke their apps. Even Microsoft has gotten tied of the back compatibility into oblivion tap dance (Hence their effort with Windows on ARM)
As a general rule Apple announces these thing so far in advance that a reasonable developer will have an update available "soon" after the patch/update. (Sims 3 is currently in this state for example). Another general rule is courts are not happy with what are clearly frivolous lawsuits and can (and some do) unleash a cab of mammoth whopass on the fool who brought the lawsuit.
If you want a real life example of how such a lawsuit would actually go watch When Jim Sterling Was Sued For $10 Million By Digital Homicide (The Jimquisition) and remember that unlike Jim Sterling, Apple has the money and resources to turn Joe’s crApp Store in Joe’s Smoking Crater of a Company and follow it up with requiring all alternative stores to agree to a binding arbitration clause.
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Of course from scratch. You think anyone at google had access to an iphone prototype before it was announced? Maps was on iphone from day 1. And the guy who wrote maps was interviewed a decade ago and explained all about it. If making things up, it’s not a good idea to do it in a place where everyone remembers what actually happened.
As others and I have said many times, there are many reasons. With a single App Store, I rarely need to create a new account to purchase an app or service, offering me convenience, privacy and security. I do know that every app on the store is required to disclose what trackers it uses and get my permission to access certain data. Apple’s requirement that any company in the App Store that supports social sign in must also support Sign In with Apple, granting me extra privacy. Restoring a new device to the same state is much easier (I do not first have to download 10, 20, 100 app stores and then download all the apps).
I can list many more reasons.
Not odd at all. Very much in my self interest. Your lack of understanding does not make my position wrong.
I purchased my iOS/iPadOS/tvOS/WatchOS devices because I like the choices Apple has made. If I did not like them and wanted the choices you are describing, I would have purchased an Android device. They are perfectly capable devices, just do not work the way I want. Again, I am supporting a model I find compelling. My view is that consumers should be able to choose between these models (Android and Apple), not be forced into only one.
Please point out where in my post I mention Google Maps? Apple’s lack of control is what caused them to switch to their own maps (a service I now find superior to that from Google).
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Steve Jobs added Google Maps to the original iPhone just weeks before unveiling
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Conflicts of interest aside, Apple likely wouldn't have been able to tackle maps on its own — at least not in 2007. On stage with Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher of AllThingsD, Jobs didn't hide the fact his company was in unfamiliar territory. "We don't know how to do maps on the backend," he said. "We know how to do the best maps client in the world, but we don't know how to make the backend. So we partner with people who know how to do the backend."
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Original 2007 Google-powered iPhone maps app reportedly built by 2 engineers in 3 weeks
I've read more than I ever wanted to about maps this week, but this story about how the original, Google-powered Maps.app was built for the original iPhone caught my attention.
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HeavyStorm
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You're correct, but there's a catch: by removing the game from the store Apple effectively removed the game from all its devices. So while Apple is within rights to do it, it should offer a way for users to install apps outside its store, and even allow others to create new stores for free the platform
Nowhere does it mention anything from scratch.Steve Jobs added Google Maps to the original iPhone just weeks before unveiling
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Conflicts of interest aside, Apple likely wouldn't have been able to tackle maps on its own — at least not in 2007. On stage with Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher of AllThingsD, Jobs didn't hide the fact his company was in unfamiliar territory. "We don't know how to do maps on the backend," he said. "We know how to do the best maps client in the world, but we don't know how to make the backend. So we partner with people who know how to do the backend."
Realityck
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While most agree that the first part of the line is pro-consumer, you can't pitch free the platform as that is supporting jailbroken devices that would cease to be as secure or protected as consumers also desire. Apple needs to implement this, not turn to third parties solutions.
cmaier
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Read my next post. Built by 2 engineers in a few weeks. Then google it yourself. Tons of stories about it.
Google did all the heavy lifting. The backend is the most important thing, not the client.
cmaier
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That’s not the discussion we were having. We said from the beginning that google supplied the backend and the sdk, but that apple wrote the *app* from scratch. You denied it repeatedly. Now I presented proof and you are changing your story.
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“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
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At least we share the same attitude in that aspect. 🙂
Well yes and no, I see this a bit differently.
Once "any company" reaches a critical mass, a mass thats works like a black hole, e.g. sucking people to buy stuff mainly on their site instead of elsewhere, these companies "must" face regulations. Because with that heavy weight and amount of money these companies simply continues to buy and grow their market position, competitors or newer younger companies aren't able to compete that way. And that is monopoly and anti-competition.
That's really like the Monopoly game, if you reach this critical mass, you just win.
The only chance other players have, is if you get the card "Pay for all your Houses and Hotels blah blah blah",
simplified - that's also somekind of regulation, else no fun.
Half my fault, once they did, but they reverted it, still had this in my memory
But shows their core attitude.
Apple Reverses Course On In-App Subscriptions [Apple Confirms]
Apple has quietly changed its guidelines on the pricing of In-App Subscriptions on the App Store. There are no longer any requirements that a subscription be the "same price or less than it is offered outside the app". There are no longer any guidelines about price at all. Apple also removed the...
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I stated multiple times, now it's Apple, but this new business type needs new regulations by law.
Generally it's not only Apple abusing, but I hope this makes other companies to rethink their behaviors.
I still have plenty of Apple products here around me, but dunno for how long, still researching for alternatives.
I have the same opinion as Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith:
“I do believe the time has come, whether we are talking about Washington DC or Brussels, for a much more focused conversation about the nature of app stores, the rules that are being put in place, the prices and tools that are being extracted, and whether there is really a justification in antitrust law for everything that has been created,” says Smith.
As you see, it's not pure envy, and I care because the U.S. court decisions also indirectly apply to the EU, Apple is a U.S. based company.
Anyway, EPIC is not there yet, but if they get there someday, sure I hope they face some legal battles too, like Apple is facing now. I'm not a fan of anything.
Well, price matching is just a sign of desperation, here you can clearly see that other companies (e.g. Amazon) simply became too powerful. Anyway, great, keep going! 👍
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How do you go from “Apple is within rights to remove app from store” to “Apple should allow side-loading and alternate stores”? Apple clearly stated that’s not what they want for their closed platform. As a consumer, if I wanted those things there’s Android, which is a viable alternative for “mobile smartphone”.
No, I don’t have to admit my stance is odd. My position is based upon legal precedent.
The fact you seem to think that I’m somehow hoping Apple will look kindly upon me is irrational.
I’ve quoted Legal precedents based upon a supreme court judgement to backup my stance. If that’s not enough for you then that’s all on you.
Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account
Let’s see where this goes, wih some actual LEGAL PRECEDENT! AT&T were sued using Sherman for excessively charging downstream DSL prices and putting third party suppliers in an Brooke(Pacific Bell Telephone Co. v. linkLine Communications, Inc., 555 U.S. 438 (2009)) The court looked into two...
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YOU published the list - it’s up to YOU to defend the list.