Children dying of hunger across the world and two rich companies (one of them among the richest) are fighting over a 30% cut... shame on them all.
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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account
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Setting aside for the moment who’s right - what I don’t get is, how is Epic still in violation? If Apple already killed Fortnite, then how is Epic violating the terms currently? Apple can’t force Epic to sell Fortnite on the App Store.
Everyone saying Epic lost, yes its a bigger L for them, but Apple is still loosing a huge chunk of revenue as well. Not everyone is going to stop playing Fortnite and play Pugb or another similar game.
I personally don't play these types of games so really could care less. 30% take for the in app purchases/subscriptions still seems rather high and it actually probably hits the end users the hardest as we have to pay both companies.
I also can't imagine this is good for the antitrust situation for Apple either.
I personally don't play these types of games so really could care less. 30% take for the in app purchases/subscriptions still seems rather high and it actually probably hits the end users the hardest as we have to pay both companies.
I also can't imagine this is good for the antitrust situation for Apple either.
The playstation store is a monopoly. I can't sideload things to my PS4. I don't want to give Playstation 30%.
This is all pre-trial activity you know. But I guess a lot shake their hands together and throw bones down to predict the future outcome.
Just an EPIC finishing move with fatality later.
Think of it this way, you have a walled community, they only allow restaurants that pay the community developers 30% of their total bill, they prevent the restaurants from telling customers that they can come and pick up their food, and they force restaurants to still charge the same price to deliver to that community as every other house.
Now imagine that community also doesn't allow certain restaurants because they want to review all of the menu items from that restaurant while not doing the same for other restaurants...
Now, say you really want something from this brand new sushi restaurant that everyone else is enjoying but you can't because your community sells its own sushi and they don't even let you go get takeout yourself.
Oh, and this walled community controls over 52% of the housing in the country.
Even if it was the best community in the country, a lot of people would still be mad... some people just want to go pick up their own food
interesting. I wonder how many of you back in the day just said well, don’t buy a computer then. Pretty sure Apple had something to say about Microsoft’s total control over their OS. It will change sooner than you think.
I think Epic just completely Leeroy Jenkins-ed the App developers with these shenanigans.
I don't understand why they are complaining? If Apple was a physical store they would agree that the price the consumer pays and the amount they (Epic) receive are not the same. So why would it be any different in an online store? That's how stores make money, that's how Apple makes money. And if you don't like it, don't use Apple's platform.
I don't like Android, so i don't buy an android phone. Easy as that!
I don't understand why they are complaining? If Apple was a physical store they would agree that the price the consumer pays and the amount they (Epic) receive are not the same. So why would it be any different in an online store? That's how stores make money, that's how Apple makes money. And if you don't like it, don't use Apple's platform.
I don't like Android, so i don't buy an android phone. Easy as that!
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Thats one way to phrase it.
The other way to phrase it is Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc have historically sold their hardware well below cost because consoles have usually been cutting edge technology out of reach to consumers at the price point needed to make it a toy for children. So yes, they have historically subsidized hardware with their revenue sharing on the software.
Vs when you go out and buy a $1200 iPhone, Apple is making a 30% profit, not a 30% loss.
Stubborn Apple. Epic showcased on how awesome unreal engine is on IOS. Now all we have to rely is on ****** engines with ****** games instead of awesome engines with **** games.
I am moving on, at least I got bootcamp on my mac!
I am moving on, at least I got bootcamp on my mac!
Argument is that consoles are sold at a loss (or close to it) and that software sales cut make up for that. And most publishers negotiate the cut given to Microsoft, Sony, etc. Epic certainly does not pay 30% tax to console makers.
Good on Apple. They had to make a statement. Now other developers aren’t going to try and pull such nonsense ever again. The weird thing is every other platform charges a commission. It’s not like Apple is the only one. As Floss says, you gotta pay to play.
...and said consoles remain on the market for several years while Apple releases new iPhones and iPads every year. They sell and make a profit because they don't make that in year 2/3/4/5/6 like the gaming consoles.
Also consider that not everyone in the whole world pays attention and knows that buying iPhone means they lock themselves into an ecosystem.
What all of you pro-Apple people aren’t getting is that this has a direct effect on IOS/IpadOS gaming period. Unreal engine is the only graphics engine approaching anything close to console quality. This cuts off all games based on that engine at the knees. No more updates as the developer of said engine has been booted.
Now all we have is the lame duck Arcade that has been hugely dissapointing.
Now all we have is the lame duck Arcade that has been hugely dissapointing.
The issue I have with the 30% cut on the in-app purchases is Apple is acting purely as a card processor in this transaction.
They do not host or serve up the content. It's a simple transaction.
I'm waiting for that to be brought up in a complaint.
Apple is acting as a store front with the App Store, however in-app purchases are made after the initial product has been acquired. Those purchases are not made IN the App Store, they are made within the app. Apple is just processing the transaction at this point.
Card processing fees for a simple transaction are 1.5-3.5% range. Any card processor who attempts to charge more than that is going to be explaining themselves to federal regulators.
Merchants can tack on up to 4% in addition to the card fee to cover their transaction expenses. Any higher and they will have to deal with both state and federal regulators as 11 states have strict caps on this.
They do not host or serve up the content. It's a simple transaction.
I'm waiting for that to be brought up in a complaint.
Apple is acting as a store front with the App Store, however in-app purchases are made after the initial product has been acquired. Those purchases are not made IN the App Store, they are made within the app. Apple is just processing the transaction at this point.
Card processing fees for a simple transaction are 1.5-3.5% range. Any card processor who attempts to charge more than that is going to be explaining themselves to federal regulators.
Merchants can tack on up to 4% in addition to the card fee to cover their transaction expenses. Any higher and they will have to deal with both state and federal regulators as 11 states have strict caps on this.
Apple users are what... 0.0001% of their users? I don't play but it's a super popular game and people can continue to play it regardless. Doubt this will hurt them.
Agreed... and it's not as if people are playing this game because of Apple. Much the opposite. People are using Apple's store because it has this game.
Agreed... and it's not as if people are playing this game because of Apple. Much the opposite. People are using Apple's store because it has this game.
They also cut the price of console over time, its not like they ever make massive profits on the hardware.
It all starts somewhere.
All it takes is one major victory and the rest fall into compliance.