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Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied

Joe Dohn said:
They haven't moved yet because they believe Apple can improve.
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At this point, though, the “improvements” being waited for may be off Apple’s track indefinitely. It’s like someone living through Apple’s pull down of the Apple IIGS expecting that, at some point, Apple will “improve” and bring the IIGS back.

I have no problem recommending folks buy other systems. Apple used to be in the web design business. They discontinued iWeb. I doubt Apple’s going to “improve” and re-release that application. So, I wouldn’t tell anyone to wait to see if the situation’s gonna get better. Just try to find some other platform that does what they want, learn it, become proficient, and laugh when they think of how much they DON’T care about whatever silliness Apple is up to on any given day. :)
 
babyexercise said:
Do iphone 11 pro max users complain they don't get 12 Mini front camera deep fusion and night mode? Lol xd
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Think about it, A13 can handle the back camera deep fusion and night mode, front camera sensor is exactly the same. Apple engineer can just turn it on for all iphone 11 for sure, they just limit the software part so they can sell more iphone 12.

Same for M1, M2. Apple should not even try to explain why only M1 M2, clearly it is just business profit decision.
 
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Naraxus said:
Since you've presented yourself as a software engineer here, why don't you go ahead and disprove what I said.

As I, and others have pointed out, the ability to do this has existed for years and it's worked out just fine.
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Another software engineer here and here are a few reasons for not giving you Stage Manager on non M1 iPads:

1. RAM is quite low so more swapping needed, resulting in possible lag
2. Flash Memory is slower, resulting in possible lag
3. Graphics card is slower, resulting in possible lag
4. Because of the above limitations the CPU needs to do more work, resulting in higher battery use

So probably Stage Manager might work on some of the faster non-M1 iPads but it is likely to cause lag and result in faster battery draining. Both bad user experiences!
And can you already here the screaming saying Apple gave us **** with Stage Manager!! So yes, I totally understand what Apple is doing here. Giving a good UX experience to those who have the iPads for it, while not having to deal with the fallout from a less than ideal UX for the rest.
 
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fbr$ said:
Funny that iOS 16 will be supported by the 2GB RAM iPhone 8,

what if Apple said "We tested iOS 16 on 2GB and 3GB RAM iPhones but we were not satisfied, so iOS 16 will be supported only by 4GB RAM or higher iPhones"?
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Honestly this may comes true, may be at least they limit a lot of new features, making old iphones being old much earlier.
 
Naraxus said:
This guy is a clown. They've had the ability to do this for years now with lesser architecture so what he's really saying is that his team is so incompetent they can't figure out how to do something others did years ago
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Nah, the problem is they shipped Pro iPads in 2018 onwards that had the kind of RAM (amount) and storage (quality) of simple tablets and charged pro prices for it. The RAM and storage in these devices is simply not desktop class and I'm not surprised that it starts to break down when you try to do stuff with it beyond what iPadOS was doing in 2018.

The A12z dev kits for example, they shipped with proper desktop class storage and 16GB of RAM, and that is why stage manager is no problem.
 
locksmack said:
Noting that Stage Manager would have been in development for probably years, Apple purposely released the iPad Mini 6 knowing ahead of time that it wouldn't support Stage Manager.

They can't make the 'old hardware' claim when it comes to the Mini 6.
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What hardware is inside the Mini 6, the latest newest M1? Or, does it have old hardware inside?
 
teh_hunterer said:
Nah, the problem is they shipped Pro iPads in 2018 onwards that had the kind of RAM (amount) and storage (quality) of simple tablets and charged pro prices for it. The RAM and storage in these devices is simply not desktop class and I'm not surprised that it starts to break down when you try to do stuff with it beyond what iPadOS was doing in 2018.

The A12z dev kits for example, they shipped with proper desktop class storage and 16GB of RAM, and that is why stage manager is no problem.
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Just like no front camera night mode for iPhone 11 pro max, pure business decision, no way A13 cannot handle it. Apple engineer can turn the function on for all iphone 11 worldwide in an hour, no need to even test it.
 
Unregistered 4U said:
What hardware is inside the Mini 6, the latest newest M1? Or, does it have old hardware inside?
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It has the A15, which is actually newer than the M1.

Though it is a slower chip and it lacks the RAM (4gb). My issue isn't that it won't run on this hardware, its that Apple released this hardware in the first place knowing that Stage Manager wouldn't run (Stage Manager would have been in development/testing prior to the Mini 6 release).
 
babyexercise said:
Just like no front camera night mode for iPhone 11 pro max, pure business decision, no way A13 cannot handle it. Apple engineer can turn the function on for all iphone 11 worldwide in an hour, no need to even test it.
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Sort of, but what you're describing is purely a business decision - the iPad situation I'm describing is more that they were greedy back in 2018-2020 putting crappy RAM and storage in pro devices despite probably knowing this would happen.
 
rui no onna said:
Nah. Most folks don't visit tech blogs. It's only a big deal here. If I mention this in real life, I'll probably get a "Huh?"
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That’s why I said “in the market for an iPad”. Outside of folks in the market for an iPad, this is less than a non-issue. For those who will be asking their friends and family “in the know” which iPad to get, they’ll be well informed about the Stage Manager feature. :)
 
locksmack said:
It has the A15, which is actually newer than the M1.

Though it is a slower chip and it lacks the RAM (4gb). My issue isn't that it won't run on this hardware, its that Apple released this hardware in the first place knowing that Stage Manager wouldn't run (Stage Manager would have been in development/testing prior to the Mini 6 release).
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So what? That is Apple's choice. If it hurts you perhaps look for your hardware elsewhere.
 
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tmoerel said:
Another software engineer here and here are a few reasons for not giving you Stage Manager on non M1 iPads:

1. RAM is quite low so more swapping needed, resulting in possible lag
2. Flash Memory is slower, resulting in possible lag
3. Graphics card is slower, resulting in possible lag
4. Because of the above limitations the CPU needs to do more work, resulting in higher battery use

So probably Stage Manager might work on some of the faster non-M1 iPads but it is likely to cause lag and result in faster battery draining. Both bad user experiences!
And can you already here the screaming saying Apple gave us **** with Stage Manager!! So yes, I totally understand what Apple is doing here. Giving a good UX experience to those who have the iPads for it, while not having to deal with the fallout from a less than ideal UX for the rest.
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As software engineer also

The main issue just
1. full screen monitor when external
2. End user didn't care max 5 apps in full screen monitor or 1.
3. End User no need 5 stages 5 apps each . For sure it need more swapping ram.
4. Who da fuc thinking macos need stages for ? The first thing i would is , check my bottom apps icon and click . The lazy one open finder.

** Want credential , just see my tutorial link la.
 
I bought an M1 iPad Pro as soon as they were released. I soon realised it was a mistake and that Apple were never going to fully utilise its potential. It was a marketing gimmick. Now, years later, this is the best feature they can come up with for the M1 iPad Pro? Lame!
 
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Anybody wonder why Apple kept going back trying to explain this? Just because a youtuber asked about it? What's really going on?

Meanwhile, Apple has said nothing on why they dropped the iPhone 7+ from iOS16.

Curious on what Apple's marketing is thinking.
 
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ChrisMoBro said:
I bought an M1 iPad Pro as soon as they were released. I soon realised it was a mistake and that Apple were never going to fully utilise its potential. It was a marketing gimmick. Now, years later, this is the best feature they can come up with for the M1 iPad Pro? Lame!
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we thinking either m1 air or mini 6 before. As most of here complain of heat, we deal back with mini6 as before using mini5. Air to big for us and for travel mini 6 is the best can put in hand bag. easier. If can external usb c full screen much better .
 
teh_hunterer said:
Sort of, but what you're describing is purely a business decision - the iPad situation I'm describing is more that they were greedy back in 2018-2020 putting crappy RAM and storage in pro devices despite probably knowing this would happen.
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2020 ipad pro hardware is more than enough to run whatever in ipadOS 16, just not good for selling M1 M2 lol xd
 
ian87w said:
Anybody wonder why Apple kept going back trying to explain this? Just because a youtuber asked about it? What's really going on?

Meanwhile, Apple has said nothing on why they dropped the iPhone 7+ from iOS16.

Curious on what Apple's marketing is thinking.
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Because iPhone 7+ is super old comparing to ipad pro 2020? Lol
 
I got the big iPad Pro three years ago and it looks like it's aged faster than any iPad I've bought before it.
 
babyexercise said:
2020 ipad pro hardware is more than enough to run whatever in ipadOS 16, just not good for selling M1 M2 lol xd
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No, it's not. The A12x and A12z are fantastic chips, but Apple shipped them alongside crappy storage and a tiny amount of RAM, and it's those two things that are causing it to be a bad enough experience for them to just not release the feature.

The iMac Mini Apple Silicon dev kits that had A12z chips in them also came with 16GB RAM and desktop class storage, which people tend to forget.
 
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