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Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied
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6gb is far more than enough while window 11 only needs 4gb
That’s why I said “in the market for an iPad”. Outside of folks in the market for an iPad, this is less than a non-issue. For those who will be asking their friends and family “in the know” which iPad to get, they’ll be well informed about the Stage Manager feature.
Some of those folks who’d go “Huh?” are in the market for iPads. I’m usually their source of information.
What you are saying, in other words, is that up until the M1 iPad Pro, the platform -- which cheekily asked 'What is a computer?' -- was designed with so little headroom across the board that it is basically incapable of performing very basic features that other computers (yes with lower expectations on responsiveness) have been able to do for the last few decades?
Fair enough, I guess, but it really doesn't give me a lot of confidence in buying one of these with any expectation of longevity unless it's the typical consuming content on the go and browsing the web machine. For that, at least for me, the cheapest iPad would do, though.
M1 is not really that much faster than a12z because it is just a14x, and 6gb is more than enough for Apple OS or any OS.
I'm doubtlessly just adding to the chorus here but this is a lame excuse. "We developed it for a second, it didn't run well, so we moved on" is not believable. If Apple engineers couldn't deliver an optimized experience on older devices they should have chosen an overall simpler implementation. My 486 with 4mb of RAM could show multiple windows at once. It's not rocket surgery guys.
I’m willing to bet that many of the people complaining about this don’t even own an iPad Pro. The M1 iPP has been out for over a year. It’s great that Apple is harnessing the power of the M1 (finally), but we all knew the M1 was overpowered for iPadOS, and frankly still is after stage manager (I’d love Final Cut on iPad someday).
If you bought an A12X iPad Pro, then you had a reason at the time. It wasn’t for Stage Manager. As much as tech companies like to highlight their products’ upcoming features, you shouldn’t buy something unless it’s shipping with the features you need right there and then.
I bought an iPad mini a few months ago. Am I sad it won’t get Stage Manager? No, not at all. I held off buying a new iPad for years**, because I just couldn’t see a need for one between my iPhone and MacBook Pro. Then I realized the iPad mini is a perfect wireless monitor to hand to a director while I’m operating a camera+gimbal+wireless transmitter. So I got it specifically for that purpose, and the fact I can take notes and browse the web is a bonus.
People who shelled out big money for the A12X iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard back in 2020, hoping Apple would turn it into a fully-fledged computer one day, should have been more patient. I learned my lesson when I bought the Apple TV 4 with the larger 64GB of storage, because I thought Apple would start pre-fetching movies or add local DVR support. Instead it was only used for meager games that were already size-limited. And if Apple gets serious about console gaming, I doubt they’ll care about the 4th gen at all.
**My last iPad was the 9.7” iPad Pro from 2016 (6 years ago). It’s still working well as a tablet for math homework every day. And apparently it’s still supported in iOS 16, which is incredible.
If you bought an A12X iPad Pro, then you had a reason at the time. It wasn’t for Stage Manager. As much as tech companies like to highlight their products’ upcoming features, you shouldn’t buy something unless it’s shipping with the features you need right there and then.
I bought an iPad mini a few months ago. Am I sad it won’t get Stage Manager? No, not at all. I held off buying a new iPad for years**, because I just couldn’t see a need for one between my iPhone and MacBook Pro. Then I realized the iPad mini is a perfect wireless monitor to hand to a director while I’m operating a camera+gimbal+wireless transmitter. So I got it specifically for that purpose, and the fact I can take notes and browse the web is a bonus.
People who shelled out big money for the A12X iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard back in 2020, hoping Apple would turn it into a fully-fledged computer one day, should have been more patient. I learned my lesson when I bought the Apple TV 4 with the larger 64GB of storage, because I thought Apple would start pre-fetching movies or add local DVR support. Instead it was only used for meager games that were already size-limited. And if Apple gets serious about console gaming, I doubt they’ll care about the 4th gen at all.
**My last iPad was the 9.7” iPad Pro from 2016 (6 years ago). It’s still working well as a tablet for math homework every day. And apparently it’s still supported in iOS 16, which is incredible.
I totally get the outrage. People have been buying the “pro” name of iPad waiting for features that were rolled out only for it to be available on the newest pro.
Is it me or when the first M1 iPads came out, the consensus was that they were too powerful for the software on them and people were clamoring for more “pro” features even if it meant that there would be software differentiation within the iPad line, with some models having said “pro” features and others wouldn’t.
Now it happens, and people aren’t happy either…
It’s a cliché at this point, but when you buy something, do it for what it does, not for what it might be able to do down the line.
Now it happens, and people aren’t happy either…
It’s a cliché at this point, but when you buy something, do it for what it does, not for what it might be able to do down the line.
It was the whole iPad Pro line and not just M1 where people felt the OS is too gimped and doesn't fully utilize the hardware.
It's C, people like you who are ******** on others for being upset our brand new devices can't run a software feature in the latest OS.
And many of us are software engineers and are calling Apple out on their ********. Go to any other forum full of actual developers and you'll see what I mean.
Limiting external display support is realistic provided the amount of system ram. Not allowing any of the newest iPads to run stage manager on device is absolutely an artificial software limitation. There's already split screen multitasking, and there's already all of your views from open apps available, just not presented the same way as stage manager.
Or for some of us it is a big deal. Just because you don't need it doesn't mean others do. Putting pressure on Apple is how we get this feature given to us.
my 18-month-old iPad Peo that cost over $1k will be the last iPad I ever buy. Tell Hair Force One to stick it where the sun
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Thats why windows 11 requires new security chip that even AMS Zen 1 series doesn't have it lol
This is not a PR tour to explain this issue... Apple just had their WWDC event and as they do every year and engineers go out and speak with the media. They can't help if they're asked these stupid questions and feel a need to explain the what and why of it.
If you took the time and went back and looked, you would find that almost every major release of iOS and macOS have had some feature(s) that had a hardware threshold - meaning some older hardware was incapable of running the feature.
The fact of the matter is that almost everyone complaining about this issue HAVE NO IDEA what is needed to enable this type of multitasking. (This is not about Stage Manager - Apple could certainly make a UI that looks like Stage Manager but did not do the same thing.)
If its a hardware thing, how about just offering more external display support on future Macs? Sort of ridiculous to be officially crippled to one external monitor on most M1 Macs.
Doesn’t change that buying something thinking that it’ll get more useful down the line is a recipe for disappointment… It’s nice to get new goodies but those goodies weren’t promised when those devices were announced.
Another justification from Apple. Anyway really disappointed that previous gen iPad Pros are missing out on this feature.
Maybe if Stand Manager didn't over emphasize it's graphics and focus on productivity, then it could work on most current iPads. They missed a real opportunity to bring Expose to iPadOS. If Expose can work on a 1999 iBook, then it can work on all iPads.
Stand Manager is especially an added a feature for the sake of adding features to a new OS. It doesn't really provide anything valuable to the Mac, and a windowing mode + Expose for an iPad connected to a display would have been much better.
Stand Manager is especially an added a feature for the sake of adding features to a new OS. It doesn't really provide anything valuable to the Mac, and a windowing mode + Expose for an iPad connected to a display would have been much better.
Yeah, but it only erodes trust in those that don’t want to trust Apple in the first place (likely due to a prior perceived grievance). As someone else posted, for the majority of folks this won’t even rise to the level of mild concern. They hear “things that are newer and/or more expensive are better”, go “oh, just like everything else”, and go on their merry way. If the situation arises where they want an iPad in the future, they’ll just buy one.