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Apple says Stage Manager didn't run well on A12 iPads. You're arguing that it will run well. Therefore you are saying that Apple is lying.

Run well could mean anything
Run well could mean they expect 8gb can open 800 tabs, but 6gb in pro 2020 can only open 600 tabs
I said Without any problem could just meaning opening 20 tabs
 
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They're not victims. They just feel entitled because they have a 2 year old ipad they feel they should have the same experiences as those with a later model. Poor dears….

iPad 2020 was still in apple store in April 2021, so some users just bought it around exactly 1 year
 
iPad 2020 was still in apple store in April 2021, so some users just bought it around exactly 1 year
That means nothing. I can buy an Apple Watch 7 today and it will only be 3 months old when it may not have the ability to do what the Apple Watch 8 can do. Hardware changes, chip upgrades. If people don’t understand that, then I don’t know what to say, other than "1st world problems…"
 
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That means nothing. I can buy an Apple Watch 7 today and it will only be 3 months old when it may not have the ability to do what the Apple Watch 8 can do. Hardware changes, chip upgrades. If people don’t understand that, then I don’t know what to say, other than "1st world problems…"

I agree but Apple does not say they provide Stage Manager to M1 only just because they want, they said because all older models cannot handle it.
 
Anyway iPad Pro 2020 users are main victims
I am not sure if "victim" is the right word.

Spec-wise, it's identical to the 2018 iPad Pro (while the 2020 model technically has more ram, recall that the 1tb version of the 2018 iPad Pro also came with 6gb of ram).

So logic would dictate that the 2020 iPad Pro model be supported for the same amount of time as the 2018 version, and be entitled to the same software upgrades and features.
 
I agree but Apple does not say they provide Stage Manager to M1 only just because they want, they said because all older models cannot handle it.
And the same thing applied with the Apple Watch 4, which I have, whilst my wife has Apple Watch 5 that supports always on display. I'm sure the Apple Watch 4 could do it as well, but at what cost to the battery? People need to move on and stop whinging about it.
 
That would be great, I’m for a iOS code audit, this would bring a lot of anticompetitive practices to light.

I’ve been following these arguments closely. Some of them have a lot of merit, some not so much.

Seems asinine to me Apple can invest it’s money into the time and resources to develop something, make it available to others, then people demand something.

This is purely my opinions, but it’s like you baking a pie, offering someone a slice for $1.00, then they sue you and demand you sell it for half of that and also give them the recipe, and access to your kitchen and ingredients to bake their own.
 
Want to know why there’s no calculator app on the iPad? Because resizable windows is only available on M series chips. They would be restricting a basic feature to “pro users” and Apple wouldn’t be able to live with it.
It is infuriating and incomprehensible why there’s still no native calculator app on the iPad. Apple is weird.
 
I’ve been following these arguments closely. Some of them have a lot of merit, some not so much.

Seems asinine to me Apple can invest it’s money into the time and resources to develop something, make it available to others, then people demand something.

This is purely my opinions, but it’s like you baking a pie, offering someone a slice for $1.00, then they sue you and demand you sell it for half of that and also give them the recipe, and access to your kitchen and ingredients to bake their own.
Agree for the most part. I think it is a bit crap of Apple however to have charged pro prices for the iPad Pro in 2018/2020 when their storage quality and RAM amount were not "pro" level. Case in point, not good enough for Stage Manager. Ultimately, devices that cost that much money at the top of the line just a year or so ago should not be incapable of a feature like this. 8GB of RAM was not that much to ask for at those prices, in 2020.

I don't think Apple is lying, I just think they were being greedy back then with the hardware and the damage was already done. And while I can complain about it here, and we can grouse about it, some sort of legal inquisition into the whole thing would be plainly ridiculous.
 
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You do realize that this is a completely different OS, right? Completely. Different. And not designed to run multiple apps at once. Literally the opposite. Purposely and deliberately designed from the beginning to run 1 App, with every other app in some state of hibernation.

They have worked backwards on iPadOS to get it to support more, like picture in picture, and then slide over, and then side by side apps. All of which were done in a deliberate way so as to preserve resources and avoid the situation that Stage Manager creates.

Now they want to push it further, because they can, with enough memory and swap.
So this sounds like an OS that is not fit for purpose.

Instead of rebuilding it son it’s suitable for the device. They’ll rely on hardware performance and ask customers to replace 1 year old professional devices because they’re not suitable.
 
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So this sounds like an OS that is not fit for purpose.

Instead of rebuilding it son it’s suitable for the device. They’ll rely on hardware performance and ask customers to replace 1 year old professional devices because they’re not suitable.
Based on what? BTW, Apple bashing for the sake is not a reason.
 
Based on what? BTW, Apple bashing for the sake is not a reason.
I’m not apple bashing for the sake of it, I acknowledge that support for older devices has to be dropped to drive innovation in tech which has always been Apples strength.

However, with value and naming comes an expected lifespan. A £700 device shouldn’t have software support dropped approximately 1 year after sale. For a long time Apple owners have highlighted the exceptional software support of Apple devices vs Android. But dropping support like this is going against all of that.

It’s understandable with Intel vs AS. But M1 vs A12X, it shouldn’t be happening.

As the poster I quoted commented, iPadOS and even going back to when it branched from regular iOS having these kind of desktop like features weren’t a thing. Now they are building on that platform which if they’re dropping support so soon suggests the platform they’re building on isn’t suitable.

Couple this with their incessant desire to do yearly releases I’m very much of the opinion that it results in relying on the latest hardware performance because they do not have the platform, or the time with yearly releases available to get it working reasonably.

In the long term, as an Apple customer if software features start getting dropped on a 1 year old device, with no published road map. What incentive is there for me to drop £800 on an iPad Pro with an M1. Which after a year will be missing iPadOS 17 features that require an M2.

I have always had confidence in apple purchases despite high prices because of longevity and long support. Does moves like this harm my confidence as a consumer. Yes.
 
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So this sounds like an OS that is not fit for purpose.

Instead of rebuilding it son it’s suitable for the device. They’ll rely on hardware performance and ask customers to replace 1 year old professional devices because they’re not suitable.
Who says you're supposed to replace your 1 year old device because of one relatively lame feature?
 
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I'm of the mind I buy a device for its featureset at the time, and that any upgrades I get in the future are bonuses. That's just my philosophy though. Apple has been relatively pretty solid at supporting older devices and giving them several new features each year. This is one feature, and I'm not sold that leaving this feature off non-M1 iPads was any sort of scam by Apple to encourage upgrades.
 
It is infuriating and incomprehensible why there’s still no native calculator app on the iPad. Apple is weird.
It’s about floating windows. I could’ve sworn I heard an Apple exec mention or hint at something about how they don’t want to blow up the calculator UI full screen like 3rd party apps do. Floating windows is the answer to that. I can’t think of a better implementation (and apparently neither can Apple). Once the majority of iPad owners have M series chips, I suspect we’ll see a calculator app.
 
It’s about floating windows. I could’ve sworn I heard an Apple exec mention or hint at something about how they don’t want to blow up the calculator UI full screen like 3rd party apps do. Floating windows is the answer to that. I can’t think of a better implementation (and apparently neither can Apple). Once the majority of iPad owners have M series chips, I suspect we’ll see a calculator app.
There are tons of calculator apps on the App Store. This isn't something complicated that requires an M series chip. It's just a calculator. I don't know where you heard that, but even if that's true, it's nonsense.
 
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