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Apple Tested Stage Manager on iPads Without M1 Chip and Wasn't Satisfied
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The calculator itself isn’t dependent on M series, the floating window mechanism is, however.
I'm sorry. Making a calculator app for the iPad is not some major undertaking that only the most elite of app developers can handle. They just need to put it on the iPad already.
You’re refusing to listen to what I’m saying, so I’m done explaining further. There’s a logical explanation for everything, whether you or any other MR forum poster wants to accept it or
not. If anyone thinks they know better than Apple, maybe they ought to apply for a job there and engineer it themselves.
There's no reason for the iPad not to have a calendar app. I don't care what your explanation is.
The support isn't being dropped at all. The upgraded software is simply not available for the older device. There is nothing new here. Compare that to any other brand and you'll find Apple does very well in this area.
The A12Z (Mac Mini) was only ever a placeholder or proof of concept to run apps. It was never released as a device that people would use day to day, and Apple would never release that experience to the public.
If for some reason iPad OS ran on a non-Mx chip with a worse experience than that of the Mx variant, people would complain so much about it, and probably lead to a Class Action Lawsuit. This is typical of those types of grubby money-sucking people to do, but Apple is not obliged to add sub-quality software updates on an older machine, any more than Samsung add to their latest flagship devices. And we are better for it in my opinion.
1. Apple does not release their road map for software (& generally hardware as well).
2. What features have been dropped? or do you mean a new feature not added to an old device?
At what stage do you stop the upgrades of all the previously unreleased applications? Apple thinks it is when it cannot run it well enough to not damage the experience. I agree.
Apple can't win with you. If Apple says when they can make a calculator app better than another developer (or as they say, a "really great" calculator, they will do it, as they are doing with Weather (when they acquired Dark Sky). But if they produce something and have it as a default app on their own software, people will say they are anti-competitive.
Craig Federighi told Marques Brownless the reason. But if you aren't going to believe the person who is responsible for all software from Apple, then there is nothing to be said.
It sounds like someone isn't prepared to pay a developer for their development and app, but would rather Apple just gave them the apps for free. Apple are providing the Operating System and don't owe anyone to produce an app they can get on the App Store.
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No, Apple can't win with me. Because the reasoning behind this is stupid. This is not the first time Apple has hidden behind stupid reasons. So please forgive me for not taking everything that Apple says at face value. They have said and done a lot of stupid things over the decades I've been using them.
And fearing they'll be called anti-competition? I hope you are kidding.
People just want to do basic math on their iPad out of the box. They're not looking for some ground-breaking app. They just want what's already been on the Mac and iPhone for years.
There‘s plenty of calculator apps free on the App Store, so... that doesn’t make much sense. I understand your perspective that Apple doesn’t want to go through the effort to develop a resizable calculator app, however… I have to agree with @Cognizant.
Apple is a trillion dollar company with ridiculous amount of resources to develop a calculator app. And I get it that developing a calculator app isn’t high on their priority list. But let’s be real… Apple can easily build a calculator app, they choose not to.
But on the flip side, not having a calculator app on the iPad is benefiting 3rd party devs.. I’ve been a PC Calc and Soulver user for years!
Same here, and I use Calculator Max. I’ve had frustrations that Apple didn’t provide it, but thought "hmmm…If Apple haven’t got on, I’ll get one somewhere else…”. Some people aren’t able to cope with that.
Sure, Apple could make one, but why do they have to? And as you’ve said, they have benefited 3rd party developers, which has got to be a good thing.
Apple have been called anti competitive many many times, including having an Apple Only app area of their app store, and Of course not allowing side loading. Just because it happens on the Mac it doesn’t mean it has to be the same on other formats. People want what people want, and Apple don’t have to provide any particular app on every device, even it’s as (apparently) rudimentary as a calculator app.
Aperture was amazing software. For it’s time, it was better than Lightroom and I lamented it being stopped. They replaced it with Photos 🤮 But I moved on and now I use Lightroom ($$). But it's a choice we have, or we can just whine about missing out on a calculator app forever.
Personally, I'm happy to support 3rd Party App Developers, even if I was forced to do it.
Why are you defending Apple not having an iPad calculator app? That's a neat hill to die on, I guess.
You have to define what is "run well". Any delays in tasks? Does the iPad freeze? These are all things that need to be addressed to determine "runs well". After all, anything is subjective until tangible data is released.
I do give Apple credit - I have a ton of stuff that - as soon as I upgrade OS's - lags (or worse, battery crashes). Latest example - brand new Dell XPS13 with Windows 11. Battery went from 15 hours to 4 hours.
Well, seeing as sometimes people (devs and users) have proven them wrong, I wouldn't take their word as law.
The iPad doesn’t have a calculator app. It is what it is and well, life goes on.
At this point, I am split between the iPad finally getting a calculator app, even if it’s just the stock iPhone on, (and watching the criticism switch to how lousy it is) and Apple continue to not give the iPad one just for the amusement of seeing the people here lose their collective minds over it.
But at the end of the day, I don’t think it’s some unpardonable sin worth raking Apple over the coals for.
I am not a dev. However, I am sure some developer will unlock it for iPad and performance will be acceptable. That's how it works.
A good example of devs making devices work past what Apple says is the following thread:
Here, devs and programers were able to grab features from Snow Leopard and port them into Leopard for PPC based Macs. This was made even when Apple said it was not possible and Snow Leopard and it's features were Intel-only.
Nobody complains about the calculator app. It's basic and that's all it needs to be.
Why are you so determined to believe something that has no basis in fact? Apple said why, but for some very weird reason, you believe something that is based on nothing. Fantasy my friend.
All of this dances around the fact that Apple has an acceptable performance benchmark regarding running a minimum number, whatever Appel decided that would be, of resource intensive apps simultaneously for for the Stage Manager with Swap Memory feature and they say that the A12 iPads don't meet it. Here's thing, A12s probably could run it, but Apple can't have SM multitask several lighter apps well, but not Photoshop, Lightroom, Procreate, and Affinity Designer or maybe one of the apps is where you're marking up a 100 page PDF with lots of graphics.
There were probably issues with app windows looking like unlabeled blank rectangles when the apps were frozen and lost their thumbnail, but after years of people complaining about how new updates make their older iPads run poorly Apple probably decided it wasn't worth the inevitable complaints.
So everyone is getting the exact situation they complained themselves into.
But I hope that someone does port Stage Manager to your iPad which Im sure you'll still be using ten years from now.
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