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Apple Testifies on iPhone Throttling Before Canadian Parliamentary Committee
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You internet guys ought to get together and decide if the x sales were in fact good or bad. Having said that, I don’t believe that the average joe type person, at least based on my circle, would spend $200 more on a phone solely because they don’t detect any difference between a 6s,7 or 8, on top of expecting a more expensive phone to be faster anyway. iOw, your reasons don’t track.
It was never apple’s intention to have a different response actors its buttons, it was a bug that was fixed. Look at the intel modem debacle for proof.
> First, Apple would never intentionally do anything to shorten the life of any Apple product or degrade the user experience in order to drive customer upgrades.
Intentional or not, pressuring users to upgrade to the latest iOS version on older devices and making it impossible to downgrade is a major sales driving force. Quit your ********, Apple.
Intentional or not, pressuring users to upgrade to the latest iOS version on older devices and making it impossible to downgrade is a major sales driving force. Quit your ********, Apple.
It doesnt take much to figure out the X sales are main driving force of this quarter. The 8 was purposely made underwhelming so no one would buy it over the past iPhone 7. 2018 iPhone 6.1 is going to be even worse in this regard. Costs as much as an S9 and doesnt come close in somany departments
Its true the speed differences are unnoticeable but the home button delay is very much noticeable to anyone who handles the X and an iOS 10 iPhone 7 side by side. If you use an iPhone X and an iPhone 8 simultaneously the X has instant response while the 8 has a lag. Its done so as make the gesture based navigation seem smoother and faster. In reality it isnt any faster than the home button on iOS 10
It was not a bug. It was an advantage of the solid state button that since it doesnt need to be pressed it doesnt take much time for the command to be communicated to the system and hence the instant response.
Thats like saying the brighter display on the iPhone X is a bug and it should be dumbed down to the iPhone 8 Plus levels to make it more consistent. The OLED screen inherently is much better than the LCD iPhone just like the solid state home button vs the archaic physical button
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Not allowing downgrades is the classic planned obsolescence Apple continues to push despite insinuating stuff like an iPad being a PC and what not. I can downgrade my PC to Windows 7 any time. Cant say the same for their PC replacement. My iPad is still running iOS 10 and I am trapped as if I upgrade and I dont like it, theres no way to go back
Sales by volume of sales by ASP? As for your contention the 8 was made purposely underwhelming...got a link for that? Or is it possible apple wanted to fill the lineup and chose an appropriate model at an appropriate price point?
The issue was ios 10 had "the bug", as I'm calling it. With all of the hoopla surrounding supposed "input blocking" on the home buttom, I haven't seen any video that within a margin of human error actually demonstrates such an issue. The X does not have a home button, therefore it operates differently.
Let's just agree to disagree on this point.
It's also like saying gigabit LTE is faster than regular LTE and should be dumbed down. It's an inappropriate analogy. The electronic home button was designed not be differentiated from a physical button, yet be more reliable over time. Hence apple made them act identically.
Lordy, not more of p/o memes.
Probably because Apple reduced the iPhone performance by as much as 50% *without* full transparency as to why. Then the user complains to the Genius clerks and was told because the phone is too old for the software and get recommended to buy a new phone. All they needed was a new battery...and never knew.
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From an engineering standpoint, Apple knows exactly how the battery degrades with time, temperature, and usage. Apple also knows exactly their processor peak current and voltage requirements. They did not engineer the battery, processor, or both to create a higher margin. They simply mask this "safety" by using software.
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Except Apple did have defective batteries for the iPhone 6 that required recall on certain serial numbers. And then magically they released the software update in iOS 10.2.1 and the it magically reduced sudden shutdown.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/a...d-unexpected-iphone-6s-shutdown-issues-by-80/
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Of course they have different requirements. It was just that Apple didn't add adequate margins to their battery design for their processor's requirements. It's not like how battery degrades isn't known or researched. I design electronics and we derate everything and then add margins on top of that.
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Yup. Getting lied to made a lot of sense.
I get why they did it but not telling us is the problem. You can't just update notes after the fact and claim ignorance.
Don’t believe the note was updated after the fact. I seem to remember it upon installation. Maybe it happened quickly, but I don’t wait when it comes to updates, although I probably should. I could be suffering from animal farm syndrome tho. Could you please site how you know this?
Edit- thanks to a fellow MacRumors user I’ve read the article stating the first version of release notes. TY
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Umm, I’m sure he doesn’t have to take his car back to Dearborn for the manufacturer to add gas. When you think about it, Apple admits batteries wear out. They do not allow the owner to change the battery. Is this not the definition of planned obsolescence?
I can't find the original article but I'm thinking I read it on here.
I just used Google and you can find multiple websites quoting Apple directly about them amending the notes after the fact.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/02/06/apple-on-ios-10-2-1-throttling-disclosure/
Edit: Found it.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/03/iphone-slow-downs-vs-shutdowns-faq/
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When iOS 10.2.1 was publicly released, the release notes vaguely mentioned that the software update contained general bug fixes and improvements.
Thank you. Very informative. It may be good enough legally, and it is their usual vague update info, but it looks terrible in hindsight. Glad my se is still good. Glad to have AppleCare.
First they came for your iPhone 6’s and I did nothing....
Do you think this will be as big as German automakers and diesel cheat?
Great. Because margin is stuff that customers pay for, but can’t use (for most customers most of the time). Thus mostly of zero benefit to most customers. Before that margin is needed, a huge percentage of customers have already traded up to the more fashionable new thing.
The most expensive and fastest race cars are not designed with a lot of margin.
That I don't know but I do think once these lawsuits come to fruition, I think there is a chance for them to end up in a bigger pond of trouble.
I also think other countries, most likely Europe, will not be as understanding to this situation. As it is, they are already on the radar due to the whole tax dispute.
Where this goes, who knows? I just find it to look particularly bad that Apple modified release notes after the fact and then ended up being called out by the Reddit community.
The only people who are defending Apple are the few Apple fanatics here. Most people when they hear about this are upset.
Not everybody thinks along the same lines. In my circle this is not an issue and these people are not “Apple fanatics” (or pick your pejorative synonym) as you call it.
Not name calling at all I’m an Apple fanatic. I just don’t make excuses for their mistakes.
Apple can (and probably will) repeat there reasoning for throttling peoples phones time and time again, but that does not make it anymore truthful. Apple has a history of ignoring consumers when some sort of issue arises and then having to rectify and provide some kind of limited resolution when the public outcry is load enough or some class action suit is big enough.
I strongly believe that either Apple either did use sub standard batteries in these devices and/or they did intentionally attempt to cripple phones with the use of firmware updates.
My experience showed that days after updating my 6s the shutdowns manifested themselves and my phone became less reliable and this has nothing to do with the condition of my battery but was actually the firmware supplied by Apple.
Apples should give owners the option to downgrade firmware to the one best suited to their phone.
The trust Apple once had has already been lost by some, however the actual ecosystem is what is still makes us continue to hold onto or Apple devices.
I strongly believe that either Apple either did use sub standard batteries in these devices and/or they did intentionally attempt to cripple phones with the use of firmware updates.
My experience showed that days after updating my 6s the shutdowns manifested themselves and my phone became less reliable and this has nothing to do with the condition of my battery but was actually the firmware supplied by Apple.
Apples should give owners the option to downgrade firmware to the one best suited to their phone.
The trust Apple once had has already been lost by some, however the actual ecosystem is what is still makes us continue to hold onto or Apple devices.
Are you sure? I think the original post was was actually referring to that developer API, and the notes for Lirum Device Info Lite (one of those third party apps you speak of) state:
Most battery information is unavailable after Apple released iOS10 – battery cycles, battery temperature, charging voltage and wattage, were all removed from the underlying API on iOS10. If you have iOS 9.3.5 installed, all this information is still available.
If I compare the battery diagnostics it shows for my old iPad 3 which cannot go past iOS 9, it does indeed show all that info, but on my iPhone running iOS 11 it is now gone.
So you've seen this research? The poster I replied to claimed millions of customers have this issue. So where's the proof?
So is everyone getting comfortable with the idea this will turn into a big nothing, as many of us predicted from the beginning?
Why do you always act like I've said something I haven't? I swear, Dean, you act more and more belligerent the more time you spend on here.
Through my work, I am personally aware of at least one non-public market research study measuring two of the things you mentioned. I am not conducting or directly involved with that study myself.
I'm not making ANY claims myself on the size of the affected class or the harms. I like facts first, deductive logic second, and inductive inferences third. Guesses are OK beyond that, properly qualified as such, for purposes of discussion.
What I AM saying is that "Only Apple knows" isn't correct. Good MR work can get you reasonable estimates of things--certainly within orders of magnitude, which is what's relevant here. And I do know, for a fact, that there is MR work being done on that issue right now.
You're correct that the person to whom you replied is merely guessing. Given units sold and the screenshots we have seen of the upcoming beta, I would guess his "millions" isn't wrong, just based on how many units Apple sells and the rapid adoption of iOS upgrades, both of which are numbers we DO know from both Apple and MR work. (Actually that's more of a hybrid between induction and a guess. But hey, you said I like to be pedantic, so why stop now?)
Apple does everything in such vast numbers and hat to say “millions” to any question is more likely accurate than inaccurate. Apple sold 827m units (according to estimates on the internet) since the iPhone 6. 1% of that number is in the millions.
Based on serial numbers though Apple has the most accurate count of phones fitting the profile and has probably their own MR as well.
None of those variables is directly relevant in painting an overall picture of “battery health,” though (not even cycle count). The most critical one, the current maximum capacity, has remained available for comparison to that when the battery was new.