That actually makes great sense.... BUT would Apple 'screw' over Verizon like that? Which leads me to believe the iPhone 4s or % will either be pure 3G or pure/real 4g (lte) Or am I getting it all wrong?
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That actually makes great sense.... BUT would Apple 'screw' over Verizon like that? Which leads me to believe the iPhone 4s or % will either be pure 3G or pure/real 4g (lte) Or am I getting it all wrong?
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Disagree about any chance in iPhone 5 but would love to be wrong. Definitely in iPhone 6.
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If the next iPhone will not have LTE, and the LTE iPhone is expected in Spring or Summer of 2012, what is my motivation for purchasing the next iPhone? I currently own a 3GS and am interested in replacing it with the next iPhone, but if I do, won't I then be under contract and thus unable to buy the LTE iPhone when it comes out? I just don't understand the incentive for anybody to purchase this upcoming phone if it doesn't have LTE capability. iPhone 4 owners will have even less motivation to buy the upcoming phone.
I have a hard time believing Apple extended its development cycle this time around in order to produce a phone that is not significantly different from the iPhone 4 and will be sold for a shorter-than-normal period before the LTE phone is released. I believe there must be more to the next phone than is currently anticipated.
I have a hard time believing Apple extended its development cycle this time around in order to produce a phone that is not significantly different from the iPhone 4 and will be sold for a shorter-than-normal period before the LTE phone is released. I believe there must be more to the next phone than is currently anticipated.
Wait for LTE? Why? Silly? HSPA+ with Network upgrades is better
Dude, why? LTE is somewhat problematic and not very well implemented yet. It will probably be 2-3 years before it works as advertised.
Just what do you think you could be missing? The promise of this version of LTE is maybe 25% better latency and download/upload speeds, if that at all.
HSPA+ with good pipes going from the cell sites back to the core wired internet is going to be identical or faster than LTE.
You need to consider why you might want something. Holding off for LTE is stupid really.
I build these networks.
Dude, why? LTE is somewhat problematic and not very well implemented yet. It will probably be 2-3 years before it works as advertised.
Just what do you think you could be missing? The promise of this version of LTE is maybe 25% better latency and download/upload speeds, if that at all.
HSPA+ with good pipes going from the cell sites back to the core wired internet is going to be identical or faster than LTE.
You need to consider why you might want something. Holding off for LTE is stupid really.
I build these networks.
Thanks for the response, but I'm not sure you got my point. I wasn't referring only to myself. I think a lot of people will wait for LTE, particularly since HSPA+ is being sold as an interim measure. You may be right in your assertion that LTE ain't much and will only result in marginally better latency and up/download times, but that's not how LTE is being promoted. LTE is the goal everybody is shooting for. It's the next great thing. HSPA+ is just a step on the ladder and will soon be behind us. Who in the world is going to want to get stuck in a new contract for this non-LTE phone? I'm just not understanding the marketing here and I question whether the phone in fact will be HSPA+ or whether the lengthy development time means we may be in for a surprise.
Nobody has any idea. Some here are calling it the 4S, implying little change, yet the development cycle has been longer than normal. I'm wondering why.
Why do you all want an LTE iPhone for? Faster way to eat up your data. I hope the next iPhone is HSPA+ compatible. Who wants to be on a CDMA network anyway?
Why does anyone want anything faster? Because faster is better than slower.
LTE is GSM based. So I guess this means Verizon isn't CDMA anymore.
Not with data. I don't want faster speeds to reach my data cap faster. Would be awesome if these carriers still offered unlimited data plans.
The public doesn't understand or care about any of this stuff. Most of it is just BS anyway, not available where most of us live. It had better just work and make phone calls in the real world, not just at Apple headquarters, Jobs's house and Apple stores.
LTE is launching everywhere in the US. If the iPhone 5 does not have the capabilities for 4g it will be a flop. They might as well just hold off on launching it. Sure a different phone will be fine, but on a 3g when 4g is available. Forget it!
Hilarious!Guess you didn't see the survey that showed 25-30% of 3G smartphone users ALREADY think they have 4G.
Anyway,They said the same thing about the 3G-less iPhone model 1 and were just as wrong.
Trading at only 11 times next quarter's projected earnings (which Apple always beats anyway), Apple's stock price definitely isn't hyperinflated. I agree to the extent that Apple definitely needs to maintain or increase its growth levels to keep its stock price growing, but it's not trading at inflated levels at all right now.
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I was at the mall this afternoon for a little family time and two pretty young things showed up in Verizon T-shirts giving away chocolate candy bars (about half the size of a Hershey bar, each) that said "4G LTE" in large letters. They were making the point that LTE was 10 times faster than 3G and that it's available here, today, on Verizon.
I'll say it again, if Verizon has rolled out LTE deployment already in my little hometown burg then it has to be ready for primetime nationwide.
Folks, this is a completely different time from when the original EDGE iPhone was first released. There are enough LTE Andoid phones already in production that IMO would absolutely wipe the floor with an iPhone 5 that doesn't have LTE support, regardless whether or not AT&T is "ready". After all, wasn't that the point of moving away from single carrier markets?
I sincerely hope the reason the iPhone 5 was delayed into October is to make sure it's LTE ready.
With any luck, the LTE phones will last longer than 15 minutes before they need to recharge.
Here's what I don't understand. You claim in a way to convince me, HSPA+ is an interim measure. It has not been deployed on iPhones yet (USA not AUS), the statistically modal device, and likely will this season. Doesn't that mean by your logic we have a full year or two until we will see LTE on an iPhone?
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some of us have jobs so that we can't stream video all day long. LTE doesn't really matter in how fast an email arrives in the background or how fast i can read something in pulse or news360
those on 2GB plans don't care since it takes like 20 minutes to use your monthly allotment of data on LTE
Any Apple fan or Apple shareholder should share your hope.
Iphone 5 on ancient 3G would be sad.
That claim by Verizon that LTE is 10x faster than 3G is probably only true on the Verizon network . I would imagine that the majority of current LTE phones would be no quicker than a phone specifically designed to take advantage of HSPA+, even if LTE has more potential upside in the future.
Anyway, while I suspect that we won't see LTE until the iPad 3 at the earliest, I have conjured up a new theory that ties in with the two iPhones rumor. The second phone s not a low end at all.
The main iPhone with a world phone GSM HSPA+/CDMA;
A second, limited edition iPhone that adds an LTE chip. The only caveat is that I can't imagine Steve OKing a thicker iPhone to accommodate a bigger battery.
Well it is a theory
. I would imagine that the majority of current LTE phones would be no quicker than a phone specifically designed to take advantage of HSPA+, even if LTE has more potential upside in the future.Anyway, while I suspect that we won't see LTE until the iPad 3 at the earliest, I have conjured up a new theory that ties in with the two iPhones rumor. The second phone s not a low end at all.
The main iPhone with a world phone GSM HSPA+/CDMA;
A second, limited edition iPhone that adds an LTE chip. The only caveat is that I can't imagine Steve OKing a thicker iPhone to accommodate a bigger battery.
Well it is a theory
The point of moving away from single carriers was to get more growth.
And it is the same situation. There were several 3G phones available at ATT when the iPhone first showed up. They are also still going to get some growth on Verizon.
On Verizon, Apple probably will stop taking share away from the Android phones. But they probably will not slide backwards too far either (and still grow at the same time since the overall unit number is going to go up). Two major factors (one "old" , one "new"). First, is that there is probably still a backlog of folks who have lusted after the iPhone on Verizon who don't have one yet. This is similar to original iPhone release. Slower radio but folks were in lust so it didn't matter. Second, Verizon is probably going to get two iPhones. A cheaper/"more affordable", "last's year model" (even though it was this year's release) and a new iPhone. That "more affordable" will do OK against the subsidized $220+ Andriod LTE models. If Apple sinks the price down to $99 (subsidized ) or even $150, there will be folks who prefer an extra $70-100 in their pocket versus LTE. In short, they can segment the market on price.
It most likely wasn't. Most likely this is to synch up development efforts on iOS to the iPhone and Touch can be released at the same time. The iPad will be one that gets the "minor bump" later in the year. Apple has no reason to chase 3 different hardware iOS bumps in a single year for a long time. It makes much more sense to keep those to just two.
The other major factor is that Apple just got to steady state on iPhone 4 production. It would have made zero sense to come out with an iPhone 5 in June when it was Spring when they just got the white iPhone 4's production working and it was very early Spring when the Verizon iPhone went into production. Couple that with getting a new iOS version out ( after synching Pad+iPhone+Touch into one unified version finally last Novemeber).
Very little here has to do with LTE.
Bottom line is the majority of people are just obsesd with Apples products (including myself) and after having my iPhone 4 for over a year, I'm just ready for something new.
Those out there that are more frugal or patient may put off purchasing the iPhone 5 if it does not have everything they want, especially since installing iOS 5 will make your iPhone 4 seem like a new phone, however, those people are the exception, not the rule.
I will be ecstatic if the iPhone 5 has 4G or LTE or what ever that makes it faster. I played with a Verizon 4G phone and was blown away by how fast the Internet was. I literally had a smile on my face I was so impressed!
However, with 4G I have read that battery life is an issue. I personally can charge my phone throughout the day but my wife, her phone would always be dead!
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I have a Sprint EVO WiMax 4G phone for work. The Exchange integration has some real shortcomings and the Android interface in general looks like it was designed by someone who couldn't cook their own meals, but the page load speeds are startling fast compared to either AT&T 3G or Verizon/Sprint CMDA. Even for normal, everyday browsing the HSPA/CMDA page load speeds seem glacial by comparison.
Also, I can say from first-hand experience that 4G browsing doesn't make battery life last only "15 minutes"; it may be a good soundbyte but it is simply not true.
Aiden, you are exactly right. IMO, even a GSM HSPA+/CDMA "worldphone" would be a strategic misstep. They should put out the 4G functionality and let the customer decide whether or not to turn it on. Otherwise the AT&T/Verizon blue/red map commercial series will seem playful in comparison.
"Soon" ? A couple of points. LTE stands for Long Term Evolution. It is designed to a transition to leaving both what is colloquially called CDMA and GSM behind. Those old telephony systems are both being put out to pasture. Pragmatically what is going to happen is that for the next several years you'll get phone with both technologies because the service providers are not going to turn off the "old" stuff for a long while. ( not till 90+% of all customers have the "old"+"new" phones... that is going to take a while).
In short LTE itself will get left behind too. ( all of these get "left behind" over a 2-4 year period. That is only from the bleeding edge. Not from deployment. )
Your HSPA phones still do EDGE now. The LTE phones will have at least one , if not both, legacy technologies built in also.
The other factor is that phones are competing of late on more than just radios. There is "dual core" versus the 'ancient' single core models. Likewise the new phones are pitched as gaming machines. Again the new ones have much better graphics.
There are at least a dozen features Apple can touch one as being marketing talking points for the iPhone5 that have nothing to do with the cell radio. For example, if they wanted to talk "fast" radios maybe than can add Bluetooth 4 to the iPhone like it has been added to the latest Macs.
Likewise the primary folks upgrading will be coming off 3G's and 3GS's . The same iPhone 4 feature improvements.... display , camera , etc. come into play. The iPhone 4 will probably get chopped down to 8GB of Flash so if need 16/32GB of storage... iPhone5 is going to be only choice. (LTE radio or not). You can also bet that Apple will be pitching the fact that there are "1,000's" more apps for the iPhone. (you can choose from 50 iFart apps. )
Are the Android LTE offerings going to hammer away at lack of LTE. Sure.
That isn't only feature iOS/iPhones are lacking with respect to Android. Besides, it is a mistake to let your competitors dictate what your marketing talking points are.
Are some folks going to wait? Sure. But Apple doesn't have to sell a phone to every single 3G/3GS owner this year.
I'm just going by what I read here, which is that the next iPhone is rumored to be announced in late September, and possibly become available in early October. If it is not an LTE iPhone, which seems to be the consensus, the LTE iPhone will be the next one after that, and is expected to be released sometime in 2012, perhaps, according to some speculation, in June or July, so no, that's much less than a year between non-LTE and LTE phones.
I was with you up to that point. But I'm having trouble picturing the Apple ad:
We may not have LTE, but we DO have 50 iFart apps ...
We'll see.