Apple Threatens to Ban Parler From App Store as Twitter Bans Donald Trump

[ssledoux]

That's the thing though. There is no fraud

No one claiming there is can provide any evidence.

Can't you understand that Trump thinks anytime he loses, it must be rigged? Comeon, don't tell me you fell for this con man and his antics.

But go ahead and believe what he says. He has the biggest smartest brain of them all! He can't be wrong and nothing is ever ever his fault./s

Really? I think having more votes than voters raises questions. And that’s just a single incidence. People admitted to tossing votes, altering votes. Even a large percentage of democrats admitted they believed there was fraud when polled.

Joe Biden didn’t leave his basement for crying out loud. He KNEW it was in the bag. No way you campaign without ever making an effort unless you know it’s gonna be handled. I’m sorry. Too many things don’t add up.

I really don’t listen to Trump much actually, but I can tell you, just the few things I’ve seen made me feel like investigations were warranted, and if it was all legit, the democrats should’ve been just fine with that.

 

[vipergts2207]

If that attack or "riot" or terrorist act as some call it was so bad how were they able to open up the buildings hours later to take votes? Yet there are still billions of dollars of storefront still boarded up and left burned to the ground as rubble from the months of the riots from the leftists?

When one group does billions in damage for months and months, threatens American citizens for days...weeks.. months, terrorizes homes, burns businesses, loots stores until their empty, roams the streets with clubs, shields and weapons with no police around to protect the citizens... that's called a "peaceful demonstration".

When another group of demonstrators, media and questionable rally attendies (later known to be antifa members) are literally allowed by the police to walk into a government building for a few hours... cause a few thousand dollars in damage to windows, doors and furniture inside... that's suddenly called a "terrorist act" against the country.

Just because the attack was largely incompetent doesn’t mean it wasn’t an attack.

Video shows US Capitol police officer crushed by door during riot by MAGA mob

The officer screamed for help as he was crushed

www.independent.co.uk

What about that wasn’t an attack to you? And why are you defending it?

 

[SoCalReviews]

You care about cities but not about the Capitol? Funny, until now it’s been the opposite from conservatives.

Just to clarify.... Not to say or justify that it's right to invade or damage either one but businesses and stores are private properties owned by companies and/or individuals. The Capitol buildings are property and on property that belongs to the American people.

 

[Nicky G]

People have no perspective. Stop using silly words like treason. A few crazy people did something wrong and stupid. It has been universally condemned and condemned by Trump. No one supports it. By your standard BLM is the most treasonous group of terrorists in American history.

AS THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITAL WAS HAPPENING, AND THE PENTAGON WAS ORDERING THE MD NAT GUARD TO STAND DOWN AND NOT DEFEND THE CAPITAL, TO THE RIOTERS: "We love you! You are very special people!" -DJT

Get real already. History will never, EVER let you live this one down. There is no revisionism that you are going to apply that wipes this away. May the GOP be remembered as a dirty stain, forever.

 

[XNorth]

I saw all those mostly white BLM and Antifa members burning black owned businesses to the ground and looting stores and terrorizing the citizens in black neighborhoods while claiming America is "systemically racist".

That would make sense, since BLM and the multiracial coalition rightly claim that their destruction of property is tied to the existence of systemic racism. Their destructive action may not be justified and certainly illegal, but there is a real direct link between cause and effect, meaning that BLM protests had a real cause/reason for their action rooted in history and society.

The actions of Trump supporters, however, were fueled by misinformation, propaganda, and conspiracy theories (which by definition are false beliefs based on nonexistent facts), and which in the case of the attack on the U.S. Capitol, turned out to be illegal and perhaps seditious. Furthermore, the misinformation was coordinated by politicians for personal gain. There is no real world cause/reason that legitimately links to the action. The cause/reason was all imagined , yet the action and its consequences were very real.

 

[jimbobb24]

I get your point. But I think there's also plenty of people who are otherwise more directly affected by various political decisions which drive them feel that they have much more at stake. If you were LGBT (to use an example from a different post) living in a rural town just a decade ago, it's not unlikely to think that your neighbors don't exactly have closely aligned political ideologies. Even now they have to deal with the anxiety of wondering whether Obergefell will be overturned, regardless of whether it's truly unlikely. To some, that their "existential crisis".

In a political climate now where anxiety inducing issues such as those appear more common since everything's photographed or videotaped, it's not hard to imagine why many people's anxieties could be driven even higher. The US has just gone through four years of having a president who actually has suggested some pretty wild things that have broken norms going back different presidents in recent history. I'm not going to bother posting links again, but people aren't driving themselves to the current situation all on their own. People expect their elected officials to act in the best interests of their country, not to spread conspiracy theories, promote FUD, and encourage their own electorate to do the same.

Your point is well taken and well said. Trump says some crazy stuff. I think you underestimate the justifiable anxiety your political opponents might feel about the world. I would be very hesitant to say one side has more worry about the future of America but I appreciate the thoughtful response.

 

[cwosigns]

Really? I think having more votes than voters raises questions. And that’s just a single incidence.

This has already been disproven.

 

[ssledoux]

You care about cities but not about the Capitol? Funny, until now it’s been the opposite from conservatives.

What I care about is your acting like people had to get back to work and couldn’t take off a single day like those at the capitol, but somehow managed to wreak havoc for months on end.

I don’t want violence anywhere, and innocent lives lost is unacceptable, but I’m sick of people acting like it was all okay (because it was ”justified”) for BLM for months and months, with all the destruction and lives lost, but this is the worst thing imaginable.

 

[eatrains]

Just to clarify.... Not to say or justify that it's right to invade or damage either one but businesses and stores are private properties owned by companies and/or individuals. The Capitol buildings are property and on property that belongs to the American people.

Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

 

[dukebound85]

Really? I think having more votes than voters raises questions. And that’s just a single incidence. People admitted to tossing votes, altering votes. Even a large percentage of democrats admitted they believed there was fraud when polled.

Joe Biden didn’t leave his basement for crying out loud. He KNEW it was in the bag. No way you campaign without ever making an effort unless you know it’s gonna be handled. I’m sorry. Too many things don’t add up.

I really don’t listen to Trump much actually, but I can tell you, just the few things I’ve seen made me feel like investigations were warranted, and if it was all legit, the democrats should’ve been just fine with that.

Sigh

I don't think you realize how universally hated trump is. More votes that voters? Are you listening to yourself here?

Again, where is the evidence? trump couldn't provide any at the 50+ lawsuits he waged across the country so why do you still believe it? These are actions of a pathetic man who can't deal with reality.

 

[Spizike9]

I wouldn’t have allowed Parler in the first place. It was made clearly to continue hate speech and conspiracy theories that would have been eventually banned elsewhere for stirring up trouble and death.

People don’t sign up to Parler or 8kun because they want a better world.

This isn’t a fReeDoM oF sPeeCH issue. It’s an abuse of speech issue.

But let’s be honest. People don’t sign up for Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc because they want a better world. Think of the amount of suicides have happened because of those platforms. My personal opinion is social media is the demise of our society. Including chat forums like this.

 

[Nicky G]

Really? I think having more votes than voters raises questions. And that’s just a single incidence. People admitted to tossing votes, altering votes. Even a large percentage of democrats admitted they believed there was fraud when polled.

Joe Biden didn’t leave his basement for crying out loud. He KNEW it was in the bag. No way you campaign without ever making an effort unless you know it’s gonna be handled. I’m sorry. Too many things don’t add up.

I really don’t listen to Trump much actually, but I can tell you, just the few things I’ve seen made me feel like investigations were warranted, and if it was all legit, the democrats should’ve been just fine with that.

Stop repeating these treasonous lies. STOP LYING. To yourself most of all. Your views are utterly pathetic. And your party is OUT. OF. POWER. We don't need those so needy of white privilege to keep holding down society and its progress. Never. Again. The GOP is TOAST.

 

[ssledoux]

This has already been disproven.

By? I mean I know Facebook fact-checkers were on top of it. 🙄

I actually saw something from one of the states admitting to improper numbers, but saying it wouldn’t have been enough to make a difference. Well maybe not, but if they’re admitting to any impropriety, that raises a red flag, and certainly would lead you to believe it could have happened elsewhere as well.

 

[Nicky G]

Again, where is the evidence? trump couldn't provide any at the 50+ lawsuits he waged across the country so why do you still believe it? These are actions of a pathetic man who can't deal with reality.

You know it's bad when his own appointed judges laugh his ridiculous farces of lawsuits out of the courtroom.

"What evidence are you presenting to the court?"

Rudy farts loudly into a hot mic.

WE ALL SAW IT. Now get out of the cult -- there is a much better world waiting for you on the outside, trust me.

 

[XNorth]

You all are insane. Twitter moderates violence on their platform. Parler does not. That’s the difference. Now if you’re all insinuating that conservative thought = violence, then that is a fundamental problem that needs to be dealt with. And that’s why I left the republican party 5 years ago. You all have gone crazy. Too much hate and violence. Things were actually going pretty well five years ago until you guys came in a screwed up everything going to the extreme and now this blood is on your hands. I’m a Christian and I’m about love and helping others. So many of you people call yourselves a Christian but all you know is hate. Christians in name only. Love your fellow man. Love and help the least of us, those coming to our country with nothing looking for help. Children needing food and clean water. I’m disgusted by what Christianity in this country has become today and how politicians use it as a tool to manipulate the masses. People want to outlaw abortion but then do nothing to help a single mom or child after the baby is born. No support. No love. Only hate because of differences. But our differences only make us stronger. We were all created in the image of a loving God. Get over yourselves. Stop the hate. Stop the selfishness. Or else we’re going to rip this country in half! Or is that your goal? Sickening. I won’t be listening to any responses to this post. I’m over it. I can’t take any more hate, violence, bigotry, conspiracy and idiocracy. All I can do is try to raise my kids to be better for our future, but I weep for them.

You might not read this, but what you say appeals to me. I wish more people follow this path. The world would be a better place.

 

[Nicky G]

I actually saw something from one of the states admitting to improper numbers, but saying it wouldn’t have been enough to make a difference. Well maybe not, but if they’re admitting to any impropriety, that raises a red flag, and certainly would lead you to believe it could have happened elsewhere as well.

This is a joke of an argument, and is why ALL lawsuits were laughed out of court. Give it up. You lost. Soundly. The GOP is toast. And likely never swinging back into national power due to demographics -- WHICH IS WHAT THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT ALL ALONG.

 

[jimbobb24]

That's the thing though. There is no fraud

No one claiming there is can provide any evidence.

Can't you understand that Trump thinks anytime he loses, it must be rigged? Comeon, don't tell me you fell for this con man and his antics.

But go ahead and believe what he says. He has the biggest smartest brain of them all! He can't be wrong and nothing is ever ever his fault./s

I don’t think there was enough fraud to impart the election but your statement is factually wrong because most people don’t understand different levels of legal evidence. There is lots of evidence of fraud that did not make it to the level of being presented in court for all sorts of reasons.

Claiming no fraud is just to hard a line. There is fraud in every election. Is Trump crying like a baby about this and going on endlessly about fraud that didn’t make it to the courts. Yes. But there was almost certainly fraud and lots of evidence of fraud but most likely the typical kind that would not overrun an election.

 

[cwosigns]

By? I mean I know Facebook fact-checkers were on top of it. 🙄

I actually saw something from one of the states admitting to improper numbers, but saying it wouldn’t have been enough to make a difference. Well maybe not, but if they’re admitting to any impropriety, that raises a red flag, and certainly would lead you to believe it could have happened elsewhere as well.

By the fact that in the 50+ lawsuits filed on behalf of the tRump campaign, not ONE had enough evidence of widespread voter fraud or election irregularities to merit the lawsuit moving forward. And many of those judges were Trump appointees.

 

[XNorth]

Your President, who like it or hate it IS NOW ALL ON YOU, literally ordered this crowd of neo nazis to attack the capital. Don't play dumb. We all saw it, we saw his son, we saw Rudy. "TRIAL BY COMBAT!" -- uttered by Rudy before the crowd was directed to attack our Capital. Josh Hawley, raising his fist in support of the neo nazi crowd preparing to attack our seat of representative government.

Give it UP already -- the Emperor has no clothes, and by that I mean, the white-power tendencies of the Republican Party have been laid bare for all to see. Your President is the HEAD of your party. That is the literal truth. YOU OWN HIM. And you're never, ever gong to squirm out of it -- not now, and not across all of history. Mark my words. The GOP is DONE. These are its final, ugly death throes.

These are strong words. But you do have the evidence on your side to back up your words.

 

[Nicky G]

I don’t think there was enough fraud to impart the election but your statement is factually wrong because most people don’t understand different levels of legal evidence. There is lots of evidence of fraud that did not make it to the level of being presented in court for all sorts of reasons.

Claiming no fraud is just to hard a line. There is fraud in every election. Is Trump crying like a baby about this and going on endlessly about fraud that didn’t make it to the courts. Yes. But there was almost certainly fraud and lots of evidence of fraud but most likely the typical kind that would not overrun an election.

The ONLY examples of fraud seem to have been a few remote cases which were mostly people casting extra votes for Trump. Trump's own appointed head of election security, prior to Trump firing him for saying the truth: "This was the cleanest election in our history." Drunk blond idiots whining while Rudy farts into a microphone? Not actually evidence, of ANY sort. Get real.

 

[ssledoux]

Sigh

I don't think you realize how universally hated trump is. More votes that voters? Are you listening to yourself here?

Again, where is the evidence? trump couldn't provide any at the 50+ lawsuits he waged across the country so why do you still believe it? These are actions of a pathetic man who can't deal with reality.

Hated? 75 million + people would disagree. I mean heck, you voted in a man who can’t even finish a coherent sentence.

There surely are people other than Trump who seem to believe it was worth investigating. I’m not thinking they’ve all made it up in their heads.

 

[SoCalReviews]

That would make sense, since BLM and the multiracial coalition rightly claim that their destruction of property is tied to the existence of systemic racism. Their destructive action may not be justified, but there is a real direct link between cause and effect, meaning that BLM protests had a real cause for their action rooted in history and society.

The actions of Trump supporters, however, were fueled by misinformation, propaganda, and conspiracy theories (which by definition are false beliefs based on nonexistent facts), and which in the case of the attack on the U.S. Capitol, turned out to be illegal and perhaps seditious. Furthermore, the misinformation was coordinated by politicians for personal gain. There is no real world cause that legitimately links to the action. The cause was all imagined , yet the action and its consequences were very real.

Trump supporters are also a multiracial coalition but I don't ever recall seeing videos of Trump supporters burning down businesses and threatening citizens in black neighborhoods.

You can speculate about intent all you want... how about if we go by their actions... unless you really believe that a half million people showed up in the Capitol to be "seditious" and to stop Congress when they were arguing for the need to have hearings on election fraud.

 

[cwosigns]

unless you really believe that a half million people showed up in the Capitol to be seditious and stop Congress right at the exact time when they were having a hearing on the evidence and findings of election fraud.

That’s not what they were doing. They were counting the electoral college votes and certifying the election results.

 

[Nicky G]

These are strong words. But you do have the evidence on your side to back up your words.

The particularly sad thing is that I do genuinely hold perspectives that might seem "conservative" to some, and I wish there was a sane party capable of still expressing them, and engaging in normal debate and respecting democratic process. Those days are long long gone -- the GOP hasn't proposed any meaningful legislation in YEARS. And this makes the country weaker for all of us. What pathetic, final, cultish days, for the once-great party of Abraham Lincoln. These sods have WRECKED IT.

 

[eatrains]

What I care about is your acting like people had to get back to work and couldn’t take off a single day like those at the capitol, but somehow managed to wreak havoc for months on end.

I don’t want violence anywhere, and innocent lives lost is unacceptable, but I’m sick of people acting like it was all okay (because it was ”justified”) for BLM for months and months, with all the destruction and lives lost, but this is the worst thing imaginable.

You mean the BLM destruction that happened after dark, after the marchers had gone home, committed often by organized criminals clad in black clothes and masks with lookouts and runners and getaway cars?

Because what I saw at the Capitol happened in broad daylight by people livestreaming their terrorism to the world and looking for politicians and members of the media to kill, waving Trump and Confederate flags. And then they say it was actually antifa.