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Public companies and services that promote themselves as a "company for all" should NOT monitor and moderate LEGAL activities of people.

If you have a social, religious, or political opinion that you want to force on others you should come out to the public as such. You can have a "Jewish" Twitter that bans Christmas celebrations, or Catholic newspaper that does not publish atheist ideology, but you can't call yourself a PUBLIC company and force your own views.

If it is LEGAL it should be allowed. I say someone should sue Apple and others for censorship and anti-democratic actions.
Why not? Your opinion doesn't make these actions illegal by these companies.

They are free to ban whoever they want for any reason they want. Much like these forums can ban its members
 
By this logic BLM is racist. This is dumb logic.
Utter ridiculousness, BLM crowds are widely racially diverse. Gender diverse. Get over it. YOU are the ones making this about black vs. white, the rest of us are ready to move on to a world of actual equality. I'm a white straight man and I can tolerate diversity and plurality and equality. So why can't so many? Oh thaaaaat's right... Racism! Misogyny! White Christian nationalism. White privilege some people can't let go of, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY COMPETE AS INDIVIDUALS. These things, were are scraping them off of society's boot heels, to be discarded like the trash they are.
 
You underestimate the significance of this. The United States Capital had not been breached by enemies of the state since 1812. This is not something that is going away.
Let’s check back in 6 months and see if we are still talking about it. These are not enemies of the state as commonly defined. If we use hysterical definitions than half of Portland is an enemy of the state. All the protestors who did real damage to DC at Trumps inauguration are enemies of the state. Are we still talking about them? I had to look that up because no one cares...just like this stupid criminal event in a few weeks.
 
Much like these forums can ban its members
Much like some members are expecting on a personal level after a night of this historic macrumors thread... lol But to hell with it, if I get banned over calling out outright racist sedition and violent attempt at the overthrow of democracy, SO BE IT. I'll take much harder bruises than that by the time this is settled in our society, if that's what it takes.
 
Interesting. It surely seems like I saw unsettling events on the news, and it surely didn’t always seem dark.

And you really believe they went in loaded with weapons, with the intent to kill politicians and media members, and didn’t kill a single one? Interesting.
No politicians were killed or taken hostage because they were thankfully shuffled off to safety in time. Did you miss the sequence of events from that day or something? Did you miss the weapons, Molotov cocktails, and zip ties people had? If they were just there for a friendly chat, maybe the Republicans could’ve stayed behind to have a little “meet and greet” with them.
 
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You know, because Parler doesn't 'censor' (not government, so I'm relatively certain that term doesn't even apply) right?

The Coup Klux Klan really needs to learn to understand the term hypocrisy.
 

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While I have been a huge fan of Apple (owned every single generation of iPhone from the original one to 12 Pro Max, several MacBook Pros, a handful of iPads and several iPods back in the day) I will not stand for this. Banning stuff like Epic for willingly circumventing AppStore rules is one thing, but banning an app because you don't like what it's used for is total censorship. While using Android or any other OS may not be as easy and enjoyable as iOS, macOS, etc., I will NOT stand for censorship. If Apple does this, I am done.

Where will you go? Google banned them first (they also banned Epic).
 
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Nothing of what transpired on January the 6th in and around the Capitol had anything to do with as you call it "Americanism". It was nothing less then treason against the United States. Many, including Google and Apple, are now moving to protect the US against it's internal enemies.
You only label it treason because you don’t agree with their reasoning on why they stormed the capital... and to a degree rightfully so.... they rioted on false pretenses

that being said... to label it treason is a slippery slope.... why you ask?

this could have easily been, police reform, healthcare, gun rights, etc

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Bad move Apple

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
But it's not really is it?

Taking an app away is not 'coming for' anyone.

And you're on this site, aware that it has controls and mechanisms to manage the standard of discourse. Perhaps you're continually complaining about Free Speech and "they" coming for all the Mac users.
 
You only label it treason because you don’t agree with their reasoning on why they stormed the capital... and to a degree rightfully so.... they rioted on false pretenses

that being said... to label it treason is a slippery slope.... why you ask?

this couple have easily been, police reform, healthcare, gun rights, etc

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One, nobody stormed the Capitol over any of those things. Two, if they did, they’d be guilty as well.

To be clear though, it wasn’t treason. It was sedition.
 
Interesting. It surely seems like I saw unsettling events on the news, and it surely didn’t always seem dark.

And you really believe they went in loaded with weapons, with the intent to kill politicians and media members, and didn’t kill a single one? Interesting.
They never got to the politicians. And the one trying to get to one got shot. But if you say someone got IEDs into the building just to show off their skills I’ll believe you.
You don’t blow up someone you think is one of you and there’s hundreds of them surrounding people who actually carried the explosives. I guess that explains your point of the lack of severe casualties. But if that actually did happen, that’d be one seriously deranged psychopath.

You don’t go breaking into business or buildings of others no matter how hurt you are. First amendment gives you the right to protest, not vandalism and murder.
 
Sometimes evidence and irrefutable facts cannot dissuade those who appeal to a higher logic: illogic.

Well, we have an entire radical-right wing of the media making their money by feeding a delusional false-reality to a segment of the population largely the least capable of discerning this. Are we surprised that we are fracturing as a society? There really is very little room for a meeting of minds when some of those minds quite literally don't function in the real world.

How do you deal with it? For example, take persons who still full-on don't 'believe' in evolution? Now, we can have any number of philosophical, spiritual, historical, scientific, and otherwise productive conversations about whether or not evolution was set in motion by the flying spaghetti monster or some other great being or beings, or not. But when you meet a person who full-stop refuses to believe evolution exists there can been no conversation; There can be no meeting of minds, no compromise; because that person is delusional. They are living in a false-reality. Hence the term reality-denialism.

The only defense is proper education, so that these people can eventually figure out what's actually been going on. But Trumpism has brought the strongest assault yet on education and reason. It's this 'culture of ignorance' that allows those at the top of the GOP, the radical-right, and the radical-right media to so easily control their followers.

Suggested Readings:

In The Garden of Beasts
The Splendid and the Vile
Faster: How a Jewish Driver, an American Heiress, and a Legendary Car Beat Hitler's Best
The Boys in the Boat
The Demon Haunted World, Science as a Candle in the Dark
Idiot America, How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free
Album: Tony Carey / Planet P Project "Go Out Dancing" the G.O.D. Box Disc 1 "1931"


These will give you a very good basis to begin understanding Totalitarianism, Fascism, and how those with extreme and radical Right Wing aspirations use media to gain control. In some of them you will immediately begin to recognize the extraordinary parallels between Trump and the current GOP and a certain historical figures. Give you a few hints for the especially dense: Hitler, WWII, Nazism. You get the idea. In others you'll begin to see the importance of critical thinking.
 
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Public companies and services that promote themselves as a "organization for all" should NOT censor and moderate LEGAL activities of people.

If you have a social, religious, or political opinion that you want to force on others you should come out to the public as such. You can have a "Jewish" Twitter that bans Christmas celebrations, or Catholic Facebook that does not publish atheist ideology, but you can't call yourself a PUBLIC company and force your own views.

If it is LEGAL it should be allowed. I say someone should sue Apple and others for censorship and anti-democratic actions.
You do realize that your only Right when your dealing with private companies is what you agreed to on the ToS right?
If you’re expecting any company to act in anyway but their best interests and guarantee you your 1st Amendment, it’d be like standing on your neighbor’s lawn and yelling you’re gonna burn the place down all while thinking they should leave you alone and not call the cops.
 
I don't favor apps or sites where posters call for removal of body parts of the Vice President of the United States (and most of Congress) and are not held accountable. That is not free speech, it is illegal.

These apps should remove illegal content, but as far as I'm concerned, that's about all they should remove.

I don't agree with banning them because it just pushes these views further underground and gives the false sense that extremism/Trumpism/whatever has gone away when it's still there. It's another way of not dealing with the reality that many Americans think this way and genuinely believe the election was stolen.

It's purely practical for me. I don't think Twitter is a "public space" (if you want it to be, then change the law), but I think banning this stuff (if it's not illegal) is the equivalent of sweeping a problem under the rug.
 
I'm so happy we have big companies like Apple and Google looking out for me and helping me think the right way. Thank you!
That’s good for you. Unfortunately many people can’t distinguish facts from fiction anymore. After being exposed to so many lies by the president, his entourage, Fox News, etc. and getting these lies echoed in their social media bubbles.

As this is now getting out of hand and turning into violence, a coup against democracy and deaths, it’s time to pull the plug and hit reset. If this means blocking channels such as Parler that glorify violence and war, so be it. The US needs a long proces of healing now that the Trump era has imploded.
 
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Regardless of ones personal political opinion any clear thinking person understands that this is a blatant assault on our freedom of speech. Tim Cook is obviously feeling the heat of his Political Supporters. Maybe he should read a book on Joseph Stalin or Chairman Mao. The question that is raised now is.....whats next...
 
Regardless of ones personal political opinion any clear thinking person understands that this is a blatant assault on our freedom of speech. Tim Cook is obviously feeling the heat of his Political Supporters. Maybe he should read a book on Joseph Stalin or Chairman Mao. The question that is raised now is.....whats next...
Here’s a flowchart to help you with your understanding of free speech:
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