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And I still think the birther issue was totally stupid. But here is the jacket to one of his books. Clearly must be the an error. But errors like this mean some people will ask questions. But this is not an issue of any interest to anyone.

Right, but it seems this didn't enter the media until 2012 and the birther movement had started before that. So it doesn't prove that this started "birtherism". Even if someone had seen it earlier and that was the initial spark (and the booklet never made it to the mainstream until 2012), I doubt most touting the birther movement had seen this booklet. Kenya was probably floated because his father was born there, and that might've been the source of the mistake in the first place. I'm not denying this could lead to questions, I'm just not convinced that this started birtherism or was the main reason most birthers doubted Obama's status as an American. The birther movement was already in full swing, then this was found and the birthers were validated. 🤷‍♂️
 
Really? I think having more votes than voters raises questions. And that’s just a single incidence. People admitted to tossing votes, altering votes. Even a large percentage of democrats admitted they believed there was fraud when polled.

Joe Biden didn’t leave his basement for crying out loud. He KNEW it was in the bag. No way you campaign without ever making an effort unless you know it’s gonna be handled. I’m sorry. Too many things don’t add up.

I really don’t listen to Trump much actually, but I can tell you, just the few things I’ve seen made me feel like investigations were warranted, and if it was all legit, the democrats should’ve been just fine with that.
I believe there was fraud. There are documented cases of it, including by Trump voters. However that’s a very different question than “do you think there was rampant fraud to the point where it resulted in an incorrect outcome”. The answer to that is no. Dozens and dozens of court cases, including multiple entreaties to the 6-3 conservative Supreme Court resulted in case after case being thrown out. The only way to come to the conclusion that the election was stolen is by believing a known liar with no proof and ridiculous conspiracy theories.
 
Hated? 75 million + people would disagree. I mean heck, you voted in a man who can’t even finish a coherent sentence.

There surely are people other than Trump who seem to believe it was worth investigating. I’m not thinking they’ve all made it up in their heads.
I trust you understand how math works right? More people voted against him.

It's no use arguing with you. Good luck rationalizing these fantasies with reality.
 
You can speculate about intent all you want... how about if we go by their actions... unless you really believe that a half million people showed up in the Capitol to be "seditious" and to stop Congress when they were arguing for the need to have hearings on election fraud.
There was NO FRAUD. Get your mind FREE! It is a lie! ONLY a lie! And yes, a LIE TO SUPPORT SEDITION. Break free! There is a world outside of the personality cult of Donald Trump, and we welcome the lost back from it. But is it too late to be free for many? I think, sadly, it is.
 
Trump supporters are also a multiracial coalition
You know, when it's more than a few token minorities here and there, your argument will land a little harder. If it really was based on ideas and not race, it would have the SAME racial ratios as other movements, and the population in general, right? Oh but there's those facts and that logic... It's 99% all white, and this country, well that just ain't it.
 
You mean the BLM destruction that happened after dark, after the marchers had gone home, committed often by organized criminals clad in black clothes and masks with lookouts and runners and getaway cars?

Because what I saw at the Capitol happened in broad daylight by people livestreaming their terrorism to their fans and looking for politicians and members of the media to kill, waving Trump and Confederate flags. And then they say it was actually antifa.

Interesting. It surely seems like I saw unsettling events on the news, and it surely didn’t always seem dark.

And you really believe they went in loaded with weapons, with the intent to kill politicians and media members, and didn’t kill a single one? Interesting.
 
Corporations/companies like Twitter, this forum, etc utilize censorship at their discretion. If the economy and balance of power works in their favor they do not want a societal upheaval or overthrow of the establishment. so any “hate” or “violent” type of speech could pick up momentum they’ll squash it before it starts. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not for threats to individuals or groups of people or advocation of violence in that vein. But when the interpretation of hate and violence by media companies and corporations to quell legitimate grievances to the powers that be are silenced then you have general control of opposing efforts to challenge that power.

Let me know if any of that made sense
 
With all due respect to human beings residing in the United States that may be reading this. If you support sedition, murder and violence and that is your perception of freedom and justice then please by all means go to any number of banana republic dictator ships and make your home there.

What occurred in the capital earlier this week is just what it was: A blatant act of sedition accompanied by murder and violence, instigated by a politician who lost an election.

Also try to recall the 2000 election there was no such insurrection or protest by any of the left. And that legitimately had issues and even was reviewed by the Supreme Court.

I believe all these entities are simply trying to ensure that lies are not circulated as truth. If you wish to engage in fantasy then label it as such.
I also don't recall 9 months of looting, arson, assault, bombing, shootings and occupation by Republicans prior to the 200 election. Nor do I recall Republicans or Democrats assaulting and harassing people in restaurants with their families. Nor do I recall a congressional baseball game where a congressman was almost killed prior to the last 4 years or lies about a sitting president being an agent of Russia or a media queen talking out loud about blowing up the White House because her candidate lost. Nor do I recall people from advocating not enforcing federal law and obstructing justice when federal police tried to enforce congressionally passed laws. Nor do I recall politicians interfering with the practice of religion while allowing violent protesters the right to burn down police stations and loot nation wide while forcing people into bankruptcy over a virus.

Past elections have been a lot different. No question.
 
Yeah you know -- there's just no getting around a mob LED by organized neo nazis attacking our nation's capital and attempting to overthrow representative democracy, which was directly and blatantly egged-on by the literal head of the Republican party. And that is exactly how history will remember the dark events of Jan 6, 2021, when for a brief time, our Capital literally fell, elected officials of both parties lying on the floor huddled in a panic, frightened for their lives, whisked off to safe rooms. The GOP is a racist party with racist beliefs that has done BLATANTLY racist things at the behest of DJT over the past 4 years of his administration. No more Muslims can enter the country? The people on both sides of the white power neo nazi rally in charlottesville were very good people? Obama is not the legitimate President, he wasn't born in this country? Keep the bag over your head. If you are old, there's no knocking sense into you at this point methinks. We are going to move on and make this world a better place.
No one will remember this in 2 news cycles. Do you remember how people occupied the WI capital building for a few days. Or how people stormed the SC at the Kavanaugh hearings. I had to look those up. Once Trump is history life will move on and this will be remebered as a 3 hour criminal act of no lasting importance. But you will still be filled with hate and that is the real tragedy.
 
And you really believe they went in loaded with weapons, with the intent to kill politicians and media members, and didn’t kill a single one? Interesting.
They started screaming and crying pretty loudly when one of their seditious lot was shot in the face and died, as the crowd was trying to literally break down the door the politicians were behind. Those facts, inconvenient, eh?
 
No one will remember this in 2 news cycles. Do you remember how people occupied the WI capital building for a few days. Or how people stormed the SC at the Kavanaugh hearings. I had to look those up. Once Trump is history life will move on and this will be remebered as a 3 hour criminal act of no lasting importance. But you will still be filled with hate and that is the real tragedy.
You underestimate the significance of this. The United States Capital had not been breached by enemies of the state since 1812. This is not something that is going away.
 
No one will remember this in 2 news cycles. Do you remember how people occupied the WI capital building for a few days. Or how people stormed the SC at the Kavanaugh hearings. I had to look those up. Once Trump is history life will move on and this will be remebered as a 3 hour criminal act of no lasting importance. But you will still be filled with hate and that is the real tragedy.
I'm a lover baby, All is One, you, me, everything, that is how god works. We are perfect pieces of god, and everything that is, was, and will ever be, is that. But here in this realm of the relative I still think you're an old fool with garbage ideas who wants to look away from the blatant racist hate that gets spewed from your party on a daily basis, and yes, the blatant act of sedition it will be permanently remembered for in its gross, final days. You are so OF IT, you cannot SEE it -- like a fish in the ocean that cannot see the water, an ocean of white privilege.
 
There was NO FRAUD. Get your mind FREE! It is a lie! ONLY a lie! And yes, a LIE TO SUPPORT SEDITION. Break free! There is a world outside of the personality cult of Donald Trump, and we welcome the lost back from it. But is it too late to be free for many? I think, sadly, it is.
It's not about Trump. It's about me, it's about you and all Americans to have transparency and have the confidence in our election system. Maybe you don't believe there was fraud. That's fine but how about if when 70+ million American voters disagree with you... we take some time to look at any evidence about it so.. at least then we will both be able to decide for ourselves and not just follow one of the party's talking points like sheep.
 
This is one of those defining moments in time to be on the right or the wrong side of history.
You might think you know that you are on the right side of history, but only time and history will make that judgement. Many in the past, say a hundred years ago, were convinced they were on the right side of history, but by the standards of today, they were dead wrong. We should make our decision and learn to live with it now. There are only two sides, right and wrong. By the judgement of some future time, you we could be dead, and only history will know if we were on the right side of history.

On January 6, 2021, the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol had the conviction that they were on the right side of history. Unfortunately, history will judge them wrong. It already has and they live to see it with their own eyes.
 
It's not about Trump. It's about me, it's about you and all Americans to have transparency and have the confidence in our election system. Maybe you don't believe there was fraud. That's fine but how about if when 70+ million American voters disagree with you... we take some time to look at any evidence about it so.. at least then we will both be able to decide for ourselves and not just follow one of the party's talking points like sheep.
One more time for the obstinate: THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.
 
Public companies and services that promote themselves as a "organization for all" should NOT censor and moderate LEGAL activities of people.

If you have a social, religious, or political opinion that you want to force on others you should come out to the public as such. You can have a "Jewish" Twitter that bans Christmas celebrations, or Catholic Facebook that does not publish atheist ideology, but you can't call yourself a PUBLIC company and force your own views.

If it is LEGAL it should be allowed. I say someone should sue Apple and others for censorship and anti-democratic actions.
 
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Interesting. It surely seems like I saw unsettling events on the news, and it surely didn’t always seem dark.

And you really believe they went in loaded with weapons, with the intent to kill politicians and media members, and didn’t kill a single one? Interesting.
Correct, they were killed before they had a chance to kill.
 
You know, when it's more than a few token minorities here and there, your argument will land a little harder. If it really was based on ideas and not race, it would have the SAME racial ratios as other movements, and the population in general, right? Oh but there's those facts and that logic... It's 99% all white, and this country, well that just ain't it.
By this logic BLM is racist. This is dumb logic.
 
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