Apple Threatens to Ban Parler From App Store as Twitter Bans Donald Trump

[cwosigns]

These are not enemies of the state as commonly defined.

The state = the United States Government, which includes three branches (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial). These people went to the Legislative branch with the intent to overthrow a democratic election, at the behest of a failed dictator who is trying to stage a coup. They are the very definition of enemies of the state.

 

[maikerukun]

Smart move Apple! Happy to see you not giving in to all these mentally unstable people that are supporting a platform that led to an actual attack on the Nation's Capital by domestic terrorists.

Despite what those of lesser intellect would think, removing their app from your store doesn't stop them from using the app...they can use it elsewhere, even in your very own safari browser. They just can't be in your store, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's your store, and people need to stop acting like they have anything to do with what you choose to sell in your own store.

 

[ForkHandles]

Apple also censor’s porn apps! You can’t find bon making apps, kidnapping apps etc etc.
iOS is a maintained ecosystem, play by their terms of service or leave. If parler won’t control hâte speech then best it Disappears

 

[vipergts2207]

They tried that in the Weimar Republic. It didn't work. They try it again in the EU, and it still doesn't work.

All while fascism never rose to a prominent status in the US, precisely because there was room to air intolerant views.

But now that the dominant information highways censor the leader of the opposition (!), it is all downhill. You will just cement the polarization, and the decline will continue, to the point that the US goes the way of Britain.

If they were deplatforming Trump because of conservative views or even outrageous comments, they would have done it a long time ago. He’s being de-platformed because he incited riots and sedition from his most extreme supporters, and he may do so again. Some of you are acting like he said we should have a flat tax and then Twitter dropped the ban hammer. Not the case.

 

[maikerukun]

According to Section 230, Parler is not responsible for user generated content on their platform.

Unless this is Apple saying that Parler is responsible for the content, in order to be within the App Store. In which case, is Apple also responsible for the content I can find via Safari on iOS, as well?

Umm, Apple just very clearly said they are responsible for user generated content on their platform. It's their store, they can do what they want. You have to stop with your ridiculous entitlement. You had exactly ZERO to do with Apple's store, or what they choose to have in their store. And they can make their own rules for Safari because, again, IT'S THEIRS.

You want to promote psychotic behavior and plan more domestic terrorism, do it on your own app or create your own forum. Simple.

 

[XNorth]

Why didn't Apple unlock the San Bernardino terrorist iPhones but want to ban Parlor? Houston we have a problem.

Apple doesn't want to ban Parler. Apple wants Parler to play by their rules.

Apple didn't want to unlock the terrorist's iPhone because of 1) setting precedents that would undo protection of free speech and privacy for law abiding Apple users- yep this where free speech actually applies, because the reach of the govt is involved; 2) helping the govt in this effort when the govt probably didn't necessary need the help (they had the tech to unlock the phone already) and allowing them the tool to trample on privacy and free speech; 3) sharing Apple trade and tech secrets with the govt that could be leaked to others, which the govt had been guilty of and their prior ineptitude had allowed terrorists to get a hold of encryption tech.

 

[thespacekid]

If they were deplatforming Trump because of conservative views or even outrageous comments, they would have done it a long time ago. He’s being de-platformed because he incited riots and sedition from his most extreme supporters, and he may do so again. Some of you are acting like he said we should have a flat tax and then Twitter dropped the ban hammer. Not the c

Parler existes as website too, no ones stopping you from going there

Then the liberal fanatics will force their internet provider to drop them and force banks to not do business with them. That's the way of those fanatics until someone stands up to them.

 

[XNorth]

Yeah not cool with this. Slippery slope here. Then by this standard you should be banning or threatening all other social media apps, have you seen some of the accounts they allow on there and things that get posted? Total double standard.

The slippery is slope when a government begins to call the free press an enemy of the people, empowers the mob to attack legitimately elected representatives and cracks down on dissent. These things have happened during the Trump adminsiatrtion. Jan 6 2021 was the latest example.

History is full of this lesson. America went to war during WWII to prevent this stuff.

Apple and Twitter, they are being responsible corporate citizens.

 

[XNorth]

Then the liberal fanatics will force their internet provider to drop them and force banks to not do business with them. That's the way of those fanatics until someone stands up to them.

Sounds like thinking from a lot of conspiracy theories.

 

[movieator]

Sounds like thinking from a lot of conspiracy theories.

This is what I've been thinking about everyone that says "This will just inflame his supporters".

I’d argue that being indoctrinated with thirty years of conservative pundits and politicians referring to dems as “evil”, “commies”, “wanting to destroy USA”, “wanting to destroy you and your family”, etc & so forth, with a recent topping of Q marzipan added on the cake, might’ve already inflamed them.

What happened Wednesday was just the natural progression of that rhetoric.

 

[deadworlds]

It's ridiculous how they can censor one group and ignore hostility from another. This is straight up double standards and hypocrisy. I never reported people who threatened and attacked me because I believe in free speech. No matter how terrible it is. I don't want to become China. People applauding this don't realize they might be censored next. Give a little freedom, they'll take it all.

Threats made against you are not covered under freedom of speech. We would become China if the government were the ones censoring us.

 

[vipergts2207]

Then the liberal fanatics will force their internet provider to drop them and force banks to not do business with them. That's the way of those fanatics until someone stands up to them.

There should be no safe quarter for anyone planning sedition and overthrow of our democracy. Those who don’t like self-governance can move to North Korea.

 

[asiga]

[...] Apple has given conservative social network Parler 24 hours to implement a full moderation plan and remove objectionable content [...]

Objectionable? Do they mean objectionable according to Natural Law, or according to Apple's ideology?

 

[CoronaOnTap]

According to Section 230, Parler is not responsible for user generated content on their platform.

Unless this is Apple saying that Parler is responsible for the content, in order to be within the App Store. In which case, is Apple also responsible for the content I can find via Safari on iOS, as well?

Section 230 is not an agreement between Apple and Parler. It’s a law and by definition is a protocol for the government to follow. You need to understand the difference between a law and a ToS.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

I think what Apple has been doing for quite a long time it may be considered illegal. When Apple bans an app its effectively banning an asset out of properties it does not own. Case in case, the devices that people have bought.

People have not bought iPhones and iPads because Apple could unilaterally ban apps and services as they please from their device. Heck, most people don’t even know they can do that to the devices they own.

They bought it because they are easy to use, versatile and fast piece of tech. Heck, the entire marketing is around these three things, not the App Store amazing policies. They would not sell a dime with those.

EDIT: Another practice that looks illegal, at least in many countries it operates. You buy a device, get it out of the box ... and in case you don’t agree with the App Store policy (something that appears why after the sell), you cannot return it!!! Or at least, it is a difficult process to got through. Regular shops will not accept the devices back once the box has been opened!!!!

 

[CoronaOnTap]

I think what Apple has been doing for quite a long time it may be considered illegal. When Apple bans an app its effectively banning an asset out of properties it does not own. Case in case, the devices that people have bought.

People have not bought iPhones and iPads because Apple could unilaterally ban apps and services as they please from their device. Heck, most people don’t even know they can do that to the devices they own.

You do understand you just own the device and not the software aka iOS/iPadOS that comes with it right? You’re essentially leasing the software by paying for it outright and you don’t own anything but the hardware.
Clearly you’ve never read the terms you’ve agreed to.

 

[XNorth]

Objectionable? Do they mean objectionable according to Natural Law, or according to Apple's ideology?

Decent human beings everywhere should find the nut cases advocating violence and hate on Parler or other extreme right forums not only objectionable but down right abhorrent.

Again, remember why our grant parents went to fight the fascists during WWII.

 

[NashMan2]

Nothing seems to happened yet. Still available.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

This is the “democracy “ of the neoliberals : censorship to who doesn’t think in the same way.

I'm not sure neoliberal is the correct word, but yes, I absolutely agree with your sentiment. Free speech is essential for a free society, especially the free speech of people you don't agree with. I'm a socialist, and I don't like Trump, but I believe absolutely in his right to be heard. PS - I don't like the extreme left control freak weirdos either. Censorship is extremely dangerous.

FYI, from a google search for "neoliberalism": Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.

So actually, neoliberal means the economic policies of both Republicans and Democrats, but especially the Republican party, since Ronald Reagan came to power in the early 80s. And although Trump promised to bring back the Great America Again of the glorious American manufacturing days of the 50s, 60s, and 70s, most of his policies were the continuation of neoliberal economics that started in the 80's and have continued ever since (by both Republicans and Democrats), and killed off those glory days by shifting all the wealth of the working classes into the hands of the ultra rich. The high paying jobs and comfortable lives of the working classes are dead, and the ultra rich are obscenely rich.

 

[Runs For Fun]

Nothing seems to happened yet. Still available.

Yeah I was wondering why it’s still up too. Did Apple mean 24 business hours? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[vipergts2207]

Objectionable? Do they mean objectionable according to Natural Law, or according to Apple's ideology?

If you read the article you’ll see they say:

“Apple requires apps with user generated content to effectively moderate to ensure objectionable, potentially harmful content is filtered out. Content that threatens the well being of others or is intended to incite violence or other lawless acts has never been acceptable on the App Store.”

They even go as far as giving specific examples of the kind of content they’re talking about.

 

[ikir]

How is this not a freedom of speech issue? Apple is threatening to ban an app for refusing to censor certain opinions.

Nope read the article again.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

You do understand you just own the device and not the software aka iOS/iPadOS that comes with it right? You’re essentially leasing the software by paying for it outright and you don’t own anything but the hardware.
Clearly you’ve never read the terms you’ve agreed to.

The device without the software is not worth a dime! Heck, would not even boot, an expensive brick. So Apple does needed sell the device + license of the software and all its abilities as one atomic unit.

 

[Nicky G]

They tried that in the Weimar Republic. It didn't work. They try it again in the EU, and it still doesn't work.

All while fascism never rose to a prominent status in the US, precisely because there was room to air intolerant views.

But now that the dominant information highways censor the leader of the opposition (!), it is all downhill. You will just cement the polarization, and the decline will continue, to the point that the US goes the way of Britain.

What a ridiculously naive read of history.

 

[CoronaOnTap]

I do own a copy of the software. Furthermore, the device without the software is not worth a dime! So Apple does needed sell the device + software as one atomic unit. This is unlike say, WinTel and other.

And that’s exactly why they license you the software. Do you not see the words “not sold”?