Epic is setting price for his goods, not Apple. Apple is just collecting commission from sale, same like every other store in world does it. This commission is for everybody same.
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Apple Threatens to Terminate Epic Games' Developer Accounts on August 28
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From that list of services Apple will kill for this breach, Apple invests a lot of resources into making the App Store work and seemingly has don’t a lot of direct optimizations for Epic. They deserve to be cut
Fortunately, it’s only your opinion that they aren’t a monopoly.
I buy dlc on my console all the time and doesn't require electronic currency, just my credit card. In some games I can do it within the game as well.
Apple wont. My question to you and everyone else that has such strong opinions about this though, is this: Why did you buy into a closed eco-system if you disagreed with it so much? This ain't news, it's been like this since day one of the AppStore. If you are so unhappy, why not sell your Apple devices and go to Windows and Android and be a happy camper?
You do realise some people might just like Apple's ecosystem, and purchased into it because they like it and trust it?
Honestly I couldn't care less if Epic Games took a nosedive into the ground tomorrow. They have provided me zero value in life. But if Apple was forced to open up their devices for all sorts of crap ware and malware and simply just become a PC alternative that is just as horrid to manage as a PC, then, well... There would be no reason to use Apple in the first place. And I'm sure the majority of casual Apple device owners share that opinion. Most gamers _NEVER_ went into Apple in the first place. And if they did, they usually combined Apple hardware with a console or two or a gaming PC.
Looks like Apple just raised the ante, few were expecting that. Good on them in this case, not saying their charges are right, but Epic are hypocrites when it comes to the commission on their store.
I think that they are allowed to do it as long as a minority of iOS users take advantage of it. It is intended for multi-platform games where the user purchased on the web or another platform. It would probably be hard for Apple to show how many primarily iOS Fortnite users used the web payment system.
A common misconception (and bad analogy) that is repeated here often.
It's not about Epic not wanting to pay fees. It's that the fees are unfair. It's that Apple only allows distribution through the App Store and then charges (what many see) as a very high fee. No one wants it for free. But developers should have a choice where they distribute their goods and how they are paid for.
If those of you think anything but the App Store is unsafe, then buy it there at a 30% increase in price than if you were to buy it from the developers website. YOUR CHOICE.
But right now there is no choice. And top selling apps that Apple really has nothing to do with generate huge dollars because in-app purchases are forced through the App Store.
Unfair to me.
And its all about to shift to outbound instead of inbound.
I hope apple crushes this company.
That’s because the developers in those cases didn’t willfully go against the developer agreement. They had an disagreement, they went to the negotiating table, agreed on the resolution and continued doing business together.
Those that did willfully go against the developer agreement (I’m thinking those that snuck in additional features like a full BASIC interpreter or MAME) WERE removed and had their developer access revoked as expected.
Talk about Apple being a bully. 1984 ad was right on
The CCP is what communism inevitably becomes, particularly with a dash of Confucianism.
All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others. Sadly a century of repetitive examples doesn’t prevent some slow learners from faithfully believing that it will be different next time.
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What are the actual charges?
I know what the charges were against Fortnite, but what are these new charges?
I know what the charges were against Fortnite, but what are these new charges?
Actually, it’s not only their opinion. Many many others feel the same way.
RIP Epic Games. Epic signed the same ToS all developers did, then broke them. They're not special. Don't try and bluff someone who's got a nuclear option over a significant chunk of your business.
Just like Facebook and Google who were flouting the internal testing apps rules to collect data a couple years ago. They backed down too, after Apple withdrew the certs.
Just like Facebook and Google who were flouting the internal testing apps rules to collect data a couple years ago. They backed down too, after Apple withdrew the certs.
Oh I completely agree with you, but if United States v. Microsoft Corporation (2001) is any indicator, this is precisely the solution the Courts will prescribe. Apple will surely allow third party app stores over closing its own App Store for the sake of avoiding competition/the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a "Which App Stores Would You Like to Install?" prompt in next 3-5 years.
That's an understandable developer perspective but for the end users it's a clear loss. Even for developers, Epic's win would be a big win for all.
No way, if I ever did what Epic did I would have gotten my developer account banned day 1. Apple is being a lot more lenient because they're a large corporation and every move is going straight to the press.
We can only hope. Ripping the App Store from Apple would be a good start for the consumer.
Right-to-repair laws and required options for servicing your devices would be another good step.
MS dreamed of this kind of market power in the 90s. Apple actually has it and they are abusing consumers hard. Except this time the consumer’s alternative option doesn’t exist.
Apple, Google, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo ALL have a 30% fee on their respective stores.
I don't understand why people continue to think this other than being ignorant. You see a cute looking video game and think this will bankrupt them? Like they have five guys coding this game or something? As I've personally said from the beginning, Apple needs Fortnite here more than Fortnite needs Apple. Gamers will continue to play Fortnite across every other platform in the world through all this; shoot, my son is playing it on Xbox as I type. Fortnite, one of THE top games in the US, not being on iOS devices only harms Apple here.
That isn't even much of a secret: in the last quarterly results, Apple made $26 billion from iPhone sales, and $13 billion from services. While this includes all services, i.e. App Store, Music, TV+, etc., it's clear that the majority of this money comes from the App Store.
Epic isn't "good" either.
This is a company which tries to monopolise the PC gaming market with exclusivity contracts worth millions. Which exploits its employees. Which forces gag contracts on indie developers using their engine. Which had no qualms to introduce paid gambling mechanics in games played by children. And which weaponises these children as tools in this calculated publicity stunt.
This is a war without heroes.
Yep, they had a ~20-page (actual content) filing ready to go for this one, referencing past cases and all. Doubt they whipped it up in an hour.
And Apple will lose. They have not really done anything smart in this fight yet.