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Fortunately, it’s only your opinion that they aren’t a monopoly.
Fortunately, it's not. Its bases on the definition of a monopoly. The market they are in is smart phones. 14% does not equal monopoly. The only way to even remotely consider them a monopoly is if you all of a sudden decided that their own platform is considered a market. Which is rediculous. That would mean every company making any product would instantly have a monopoly on their products. Epic has 100% market share of fortnight therefore they are a monopoly. I should be entitled to sell my outfits within fortnight on my own in app store where they get nothing. Please enlighten me on why Apple is a monopoly so I can be educated.

Even from some obscure chance they were determined a monopoly, which is not against the law, it would need to be determined that they are abusing their monopoly. Apple has never changes their rates since there were 0 developers on board. When was this magic light switch of abuse turned on after they were able to go from 0 to millions of developers with the same agreement.
 
In all the times we seen Apple facing a lawsuit, has anyone seen Apple saying "we are yanking your entire access to its App Store and app development tools"? If I am not mistaken this is new, and dangerous.

Has those adversaries been in breach of their Apple Developer contract with Apple?
 
Actually a contract does not require compliance with the law to be valid. And enforcement is subjective to circumstance so a judge is always the one to rule on that.

For example i could write a contract that says you agree to be my slave and work without pay perpetually.

You are correct in the sense of "I can use a pen/computer and write down/type any words that I want." You are incorrect in the sense that a legally-binding contract is not allowed to contain just anything under the sun.

A contract which involves an illegal act is a prime example of a void contract, which is one that is never binding on any party to it because it cannot be enforced as a matter of law. You are correct that it would have to go before a judge to actually be declared void, but you are incorrect that the judge has any discretion whatsoever in that case, because the law says that contracts involving illegal acts are themselves illegal. You are also completely wrong that someone has to be convicted of a crime before a lawsuit can be filed over a contract involving that crime.

If you signed and agreed to that contract then I could demand you fulfill services or threaten legal action (civil legal action) to obtain remedy. A court order could also be issued requiring compliance with the terms.

You could demand it, but you would be unable to prevail as a matter of law because slavery is illegal, and courts cannot enforce contracts for things that are illegal.

When it’s a matter of illegality (as in a prosecutable activity) then an entirely separate branch of government gets involved and also a different court system.

The criminal and civil tracks differ mostly at the trial level. The Circuit Courts of Appeal, for example, are the same for criminal and civil cases. The Minnesota Supreme Court hears both civil and criminal cases. No, an "entirely separate branch of government" is not involved for civil cases, seeing as the judicial system, which is one of the three branches of government, encompasses both civil and criminal issues.

It would only require reporting that the individual who asked you to sign said contract is engaging in slavery (which is illegal). And then they would be indicted, tried and likely convicted.

These two sentences constitute the only part of your post that is accurate. But it's also irrelevant to whether you can enforce a void contract, which you cannot.

Once the conviction occurs then you can go to court and sue to have the contract invalidated. LOL

Just…no.

A similar matter of complication has come up time and again with the US President’s liberal use of NDAs for all employees.

Just because a contract is an NDA does not change the fact that it cannot be enforced if the acts in question are illegal, which means the contract is void, at least as to the illegal acts. You cannot contract away someone's ability to report you for murder, which is what you've attempted to do to the law in your post—mutilate and murder it beyond all recognition.

Basically, your entire post is wrong.
 
Sly move by Apple: look at the length of that list and all the things that a developer account gets from Apple. That throws Sweeney's "middleman" quote right back at him. Even if a court grants Epic's request to prevent Apple from taking this action, it makes a mockery of the idea that Apple isn't doing much for developers beyond providing server space and a payment processing system. All that info is now out in public view regardless of what the court does.
 
The scrutiny against Apple is huge, but they’re not at fault. And good for them that they’re not reverting away from what needs to be done. Epic played a game (No-pun intended😁) and lost for gambling. Learn from your mistakes and move on.
Do people really, genuinely believe that Epic didn't see both Fortnite’s removal from the App Store and this latest threat coming from a mile away?

Goodness.
 
😂😂😂😂😂

Sounds like someone still thinks this is the 1950s.

Right. Thats why the CCP forces every company in China to have several high-ranking officers from the PLA on their boards. That's why China has banned everything themselves that they are now crying about other nations banning. Righty righty. I've been there, I know several people who's lived there, I know several people that lived in Hong Kong, and guess what, they've all fled. And not without good reason.
 
Yes, Epic violated their agreement, and knew this was coming. It was all calculated -- though I didn't expect Apple would block all Apps using the Unreal Engine.
Are they blocking apps using the Unreal Engine? Or does this just affect Epic’s ability to deliver the Unreal Engine updates.
Looks like Apple just raised the ante, few were expecting that.
Everyone who‘s a developer (or has read through the developer agreement) were expecting that.
 
Too many Apple fans fawn over them as the “Think Different” company of yore. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Modern Apple is a Fortune 1 company driven by services revenue and rent-extraction wherever they can work it in. The App Store happens to be their most profitable endeavor in this area.

Apple should be viewed like your phone company — because that’s literally what they are. Imagine AT&T before regulation and the antitrust case, but also with the power to cut off service if you displease them, or don’t do everything they dictate in their nebulous and overbearing Terms of Service. That’s modern Apple to developers.
 
Microsoft actually uses a progressive pricing system, which is why they escape scrutiny. Only the largest, most published games get hit with the 30% cut. For most smaller developers/indie games, the cut is much smaller -- between 5 and 15%. Sony uses a similar pricing system too.

If Apple were to adopt the same scheme (think competition), I'm sure there would have far less legal headaches.

So does Epic, actually. Since Jan 1st 2020, they only charge royalties of games that use the Unreal Engine after the first $1 million in revenue, and 5% thereafter. I wonder if they knew they would be going after Apple and introduced this fee structure? To be fair, they have changes the fee structure with every new major release of UE since version 3, lowering the cost each time. I wonder if this will help them in this case? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I’m as big of a fan of Apple as anyone else here... but defending Apple on this is weird to me. You LIKE paying more for things as a consumer because of the high cut Apple takes because they can? Should Microsoft take 30% of every windows program, that you in turn pay for?

What makes you think the consumer will be paying less? Any saving will go direct to the developer. The devs will set the prices the market will pay - which we already know as we’re paying it now.
 
Epic was making a lot of money. They wanted to make more money by violating a contract with Apple to which they had agreed. Apple said no. Epic sued. Apple put Epic under a microscope and discovered even more violations of the contract, and will terminate Epic's contract if the violations are not addressed.

What am I missing here? Apple does not have majority control of the smartphone market, so they can't be using "monopolistic" power against Epic, although Epic could argue Google is doing that (I don't think Google is).

Apple created an app store with rules. If Epic doesn't like the rules, Epic can create its own most successful product in history, develop an app store for that, and sell their software there in any fashion they like.

I don't see any anti-competitive behavior here.
Personally I'm on the fence about all of this, but I'll bite:

The move was calculated so that Epic could file a suit against Apple, claiming that since all apps must go through the App Store, where Apple takes a 30% cut, is a monopoly. That is, a monopoly on iOS devices. They're doing something similar with Google and the Play Store but that seems a little more shaky to me.

Epic's point is that the rules are unfair, not that they didn't break the rules.

Epic wants to open their own "App Store" on different platforms, but is being prevented from doing so by Apple (and to a lesser extent Google).

Some might point out that consoles do the same thing, but Epic brings up a good point about how phones can be "general computing devices"
 
Nope. Apple charges the same 30% everyone else does. I don't see PS or Xbox letting people sell products without taking 30%.

Glad to see someone finally brought this up......

It's just disturbing and somewhat disgusting to see Epic is wielding their sword against Apple and Google for their "anti-competitive behavior", yet they're still ABSOLUTELY SILENT against the console platforms that has been taking that same 30% cut for an even longer period of time than both tech conglomerates.

Obviously you must pay to use someone else's platform to distribute your products, and that 30% cut is arguable I agree. But turning a blind eye on consoles where they seemed to have struck some kind of deal while claiming they took their current actions for "justice"?

Not buying into that. Not even a second. :rolleyes:
 
If Apple wins, you will see how quickly unattractive their eco system will become.

Nonsense

anyway, devs will slowly move away

And more nonsense, developers don't go into app development without knowing what the rules are. Some just feel they are too big to follow the rules that (mostly) everyone else has to follow and want to try and test the waters by breaking the rules.

Again, those shouting about how right Epic is in doing this need to take a look at the way they run their own store and how they give discounted fees to developers using their engine, not uncompetitive at all..
 
We can only hope. Ripping the App Store from Apple would be a good start for the consumer.

You're delusional. Apple and Google have reduced software costs to the consumer by at least 80% over the last 20 to 30 years. Software is now so cheap that developers have a tough time making a profit unless their software is wildly successful.

Just look at all the software you get for free with a Mac or an iPhone. You think Microsoft wanted to start selling Office subscriptions? They had to do it because Apple and Google were giving away so much free software that it was driving prices down. Remember how much Windows used to cost? That's thanks to Apple and Google.
 
Epic was making a lot of money. They wanted to make more money by violating a contract with Apple to which they had agreed. Apple said no. Epic sued. Apple put Epic under a microscope and discovered even more violations of the contract, and will terminate Epic's contract if the violations are not addressed.

What am I missing here? Apple does not have majority control of the smartphone market, so they can't be using "monopolistic" power against Epic, although Epic could argue Google is doing that (I don't think Google is).

Apple created an app store with rules. If Epic doesn't like the rules, Epic can create its own most successful product in history, develop an app store for that, and sell their software there in any fashion they like.

I don't see any anti-competitive behavior here.
Apple is under the microscope of the government at the moment, pretty ignorant on their part to pull this 🙄
 
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