Apple to Add Near Field Communication (NFC) Payments to iPad 2 and iPhone 5?

It is the same technology (RFID is a set of standards btw) My reference to doing it right comes from the user interfaces and overall user experience that Apple will add to keep it simple.

I know at least 5 Barclays customers, none of them use it. :rolleyes:

Barclaycard customers are not the same as Barclays customers.
 
Have a hard time believing this rumor is anything more than just someone's random speculation.

I mean of course it might happen, but this rumor has been going around since the iPhone 3G came out. There has been lots of NFC based 3rd party cases for the iPhone as well, but not very much popularity (except certain countries).

I mean it would be great to have, and Apple could definitely market the technology better than anyone else has, but it's still just another "oh lets put more iPhone and iPad news out, it seems to get attention" rather than anything worth a damn.
 
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It's kind of funny that there weren't any news of NFC at CES, probably because it's not widespread yet.

Hop on over to Japan from where ever you are, because it's everywhere. If Apple puts this in the next iPhone, it will drive many more sales.
 
If it is implemented well, it can be a huge improvement over cards with magnetic stripes. This is a very outdated system that should be prohibited IMHO. The data on the stripe can be duplicated easily and ATMs or point of sale terminals can be manipulated to do this without people noticing anything unusual. This has been done many times in recent years.

Christian

It's an improvement but it's not foolproof. The MIFARE chip in oyster cards was cracked a couple of years ago.
 
I mean it would be great to have, and Apple could definitely market the technology better than anyone else has, but it's still just another "oh lets put more iPhone and iPad news out, it seems to get attention" rather than anything worth a damn.

I don't think that Apple needs to market this technology in some countries, rather, they need to catch up. I think this would be a game changer (in terms of driving sales) here in Japan. The iPhone has so much to offer, but the convenience of being able to make purchases by swiping one's phone has been high on the wish list here.

Next, I wonder if they will move to multiple carriers here?
 
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This isn't just a matter of Apple incorporating an NFC payment capability, it's a question of whether the infrastructure is there in the first place. Great, so I've got my NFC-equipped iPhone 5 - now, where to use it? Jeez, in the luddite-infested town I live in most people still won't use credit/debit cards because they've only just got used to the concept of cheques. It's fine for countries who've adopted this some time ago (mostly Far Eastern) and the big cities, but Apple bringing this technology to the rest of us isn't going to increase adoption until the card processors roll out the infrastructure to a wider population. It's a bit chicken and egg I guess. Maybe Apple's implementation will raise the profile of contactless payments and set the ball rolling?
 
I don't want any NFC in my iPhone! I want AFC!

That said, go Steelers!

Back on topic, didn't Apple have some patent on this awhile back? It consisted of NFC and using your iPhone's keypad to enter the pin. If this is what they do, then I will for sure use this system. Now if I can get this to unlock whatever newer car I get after graduating, then all I would need is my iPhone and driver's license. How long before that becomes digital too? Until then, I'd just need an iPhone case with a slot to hold my ID!

Just as long as they don't start implanting this crap under my skin...I'm fine!
 
Too late.

Visa are already rolling out an RFID based system in the UK and have been for over 2 years. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage.


"Nokia and RIM have been shipping mobile phones all over the world for many, many years. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."

"Microsoft introduced tablets to the world in 2001. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."
 
Paying for items using a mobile phone is not far away from everyday use.

I can remember 9 years ago here in Oslo paying for a bottle of soda from a vending machine using my mobile phone. Problem was after the various charges it put the price up considerably making it a very expensive bottle.

Clearly Apple can see the potential in becoming a credit card company and charging at least 5% on all purchases. Since it is going to happen why not develop the technology to own a piece of the cake. Good business sense.
 
Too late.

Visa are already rolling out an RFID based system in the UK and have been for over 2 years. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage.

I'm not sure that makes a difference; Visa are primarily a card issuer/payment handler so they get their money from interest charges against cardholders and a percentage cut of payments they process through their terminals.

So Apple coming to the party isn't going to change things for them, even if Apple do allow payments via iTunes store accounts. People will still top up their iTunes accounts from their Visa cards, and Visa terminals will still be used to process RFID payments. Whether it's a Visa card or an iPhone being used to make the payment isn't relevant.

In fact, I would expect Visa to actively support Apple if it means wider take-up of NFC payments for items where people still traditionally use cash, such as newspapers, metro tickets and vending machines.
 
"Nokia and RIM have been shipping mobile phones all over the world for many, many years. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."

"Microsoft introduced tablets to the world in 2001. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."

The only problem I see is numbers. The iPhone still only has 3% of the phone market but everyone has a credit or debit card.

Do you think retailers will bother catering for the Apple minority when the banks will look after the vast majority?

It's a good idea but I think they will have to work with Visa and Mastercard if they want it to take off.
 
No thanks this doesn't appeal to me. Surely wouldn't want to loose my iphone to the wrong person with this.

I'll use my credit card and receive points.
 
The only problem I see is numbers. The iPhone still only has 3% of the phone market but everyone has a credit or debit card.

Do you think retailers will bother catering for the Apple minority when the banks will look after the vast majority?

It's a good idea but I think they will have to work with Visa and Mastercard if they want it to take off.

It's my understanding that in countries where mobile phones already have this capability, they use existing infrastructure; it's not as if Samsung or whoever also act as a credit issuer or payment handler. So I think there's some misunderstanding about this, as far as I can see it's just going to be the equivalent of having a Visa or Mastercard integrated into your phone, Apple aren't going be competing. In fact, they can't unless they formally become a bank which I really don't see happening. So retailers don't have to cater for Apple, their card processing systems will just see it as another card.

IMHO Apple isn't potentially introducing this as an ongoing income generator (except perhaps through the iTunes Store), but rather as an additional feature to help market the iPhone/iPad.
 
I'm in the UK and I've never seen anywhere I could use this. Nor do I know a single person who does yet...
 
I have a Barclaycard that has Contactless payment, it's really convenient for buying Coffee :) When Apple bring this to the iPhone I'll be switching from my HTC Desire at the end of my contract! :)
 
"Nokia and RIM have been shipping mobile phones all over the world for many, many years. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."

"Microsoft introduced tablets to the world in 2001. No chance that Apple will be able to compete at this stage."

Contactless card payment requires a lot of infrastructure to be installed in shops and business premises.

Neither of the examples you've given are comparable - since neither required new infrastructure from third parties.

There are two possibilities here:

- Either Apple are using the same payment terminals and infrastructure that Visa/Barclays are already rolling out (most likely) - in which case it's not a particularly interesting story... just supporting someone else's tech.

- Or Apple want to go it alone with their own stuff, in which case they don't have the sufficient market penetration to make it worthwhile for shopkeepers.


I have a Barclaycard that has Contactless payment, it's really convenient for buying Coffee :) When Apple bring this to the iPhone I'll be switching from my HTC Desire at the end of my contract! :)

Why?

You're already using it... I don't understand why you need a chip in your phone if you're already using the one in your credit card?
 
So I think there's some misunderstanding about this, as far as I can see it's just going to be the equivalent of having a Visa or Mastercard integrated into your phone, Apple aren't going be competing.

That's the only way I think it will succeed. The news article seems to make out they will be going alone with their own terminals.
 
No thanks this doesn't appeal to me. Surely wouldn't want to loose my iphone to the wrong person with this.

I'll use my credit card and receive points.

OK, so what if you could tie your iPhone to your credit card, so any payments made by it were debited from your credit card so you still got the points? And you could cap the maximum amount per transaction or per day? And you could chose to have to enter a PIN to make any payment over a set amount which was stored more securely than the PIN on your credit card? And you could instantly wipe your phone if lost or stolen?
 
Why?

You're already using it... I don't understand why you need a chip in your phone if you're already using the one in your credit card?

There's the potential for a lot more control using an intelligent card (e.g. a smartphone), such as giving the customer the option of mandating a PIN for all payments, an instant record of all payments and the ability to remote wipe if lost or stolen.
 
The only problem I see is numbers. The iPhone still only has 3% of the phone market but everyone has a credit or debit card.
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Yeah but what proportion of the worlds population does that 3% represent. Predominantly western affluent spenders. Cash is still king globally, very few of the worlds population have credit cards and only a handfull more have debit cards.

For transactions of less than £10/$20, cash is still the preferred option, but cash is rubbish, counting the stuff, dealing with change, not having enough on you. Retailers hate managing the stuff as well. Coupled with the fact that kids have to be teenagers before we'll give them a debit card and an adult before they get a credit card. (good thing, i think adults should be given a credit card drivers test before let loose with one).

There's a major opportunity for a pre-paid cash alternative and if it's coupled with your iDevice which is the premier platform for buying digital media on the go, you have a match made in heaven.

The value add that Apple can offer is immense,

1.pay for all the little stuff you normally keep cash for', bus, train, coffee, newspaper,
2.keep a track of the those little payments, that are a hastle to record.
3.electronic pocket money for the kids, transfer straight from your iDevice to theirs.
4.geolocation based offers, discount token pops up on phone, pay the token and/or eCash direct into the retailers system.

Not to mention the other uses apple seems to have thought up for NFC. Contact exchange, the formation of adhoc iGroups, wifi key setup, login token onto workstations, app exchange.... just read through the NFC section of patentlyapple.com and you'll see it goes way beyond money. :D
 
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MikeDTyke said:
If it is implemented well, it can be a huge improvement over cards with magnetic stripes. This is a very outdated system that should be prohibited IMHO. The data on the stripe can be duplicated easily and ATMs or point of sale terminals can be manipulated to do this without people noticing anything unusual. This has been done many times in recent years.

Christian

It's an improvement but it's not foolproof. The MIFARE chip in oyster cards was cracked a couple of years ago.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=SE#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=X034R3yzDhw

This says a lot about the potential security risks of this type of technology, not that it's necessarily worse than the digital chips used in today's payment cards or the old magnet stripes.
 
That's the only way I think it will succeed. The news article seems to make out they will be going alone with their own terminals.

Yes, will be interesting to see more details of these payment terminals. Maybe they'll use the Visa/Mastercard network but you'll have to connect via a 30-pin dock connector for enhanced security :)
 
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