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This still requires to be Apple certified so basically they still not giving out parts and the right to repair is still not being recognised by Apple, only Apple can repair as the technician has to be Apple technician
 
I see the usual suspects that have a record of criticizing the idea of this development are here to backpeddle on their earlier disapproval. The fact that the business-savvy Apple tested the waters and green lighted the solution only demonstrates that even their loudest fans are not as insightful as they believe.
 
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Sounds no different than going to a regular authorised repair location, Louis for example won't be able to replace caps and what not on a board, they will still want one to replace the entire mainboard. It might sound like a good thing, that it allows more access to more folks, but it doesn't seem any different. Guess gotta wait to see how it pans out.
I don't read any of this to suggest it's one or the other. In other words, nothing in this suggests that a third-party repair shop won't be able to both have access to OEM parts, tools, manuals, etc. and also perform on-board repairs (such as replacing caps).
 
So... hold on.

iPhone must be out of warranty. If you have an XS/XR, that still is not the case. Meaning that battery still needs to be swapped at an Apple Authorized shop.

How about some movement on the computer side as well please?

Unless I'm reading that wrong?

Since Apple has to continue warranting the phone (and the battery replacement) for the duration of the phone's warranty, that makes a lot of sense.
 
COUNTERFEIT?! *heavy breathing*
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Ah boy, he's such a loser. Just so bitter. I used to subscribe to him because the stuff he was doing was genuinely interesting. There aren't that many channels who do component-level repairs on laptops (not just MacBooks but all OEMs). He'd talk through what he'd be doing and how he'd be doing it.

Yeah he'd have the odd dig at Apple but that's the fun of it. Now he just dedicates far too much time being a one-man crusade. He's got an enormous chip on his shoulder. It's a bit of a cringefest going through his videos to be honest.


Thats because Apple spend far too much time being an enemy of the right to repair. If you're in favour of the RTR difficult to not have diverging views to Apples really.
 
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Why - are you just making this up? Have some facts to share? or is your statement part of a conspiracy theory?

I on the other hand see no malice in this policy, apple has always seemed to want quality parts installed correctly by quality technicians.
Do you think Apple’s going to train these people for free? Ship parts out to them for free? They’re not a charity, and when it took this long for them to do this under immense pressure, there’s no way they haven’t found a way to make serious money on it.

I fully agree that it’s likely “free” to get the certification, just like the announcement says, but it’s also likely the case that only larger businesses or businesses with other operations than Apple device repair will actually be able to afford to use it. That’s how it already is with many Apple Authorized Resellers — if you don’t have some other business, you don’t have a snowball’s chance of staying open more than a year because of the costs that Apple arbitrarily introduces. Many AARs hold other businesses (like also being an Apple Authorized Service Provider, which is also too expensive except for large businesses) for the sole purpose of offsetting the money they lose under their AAR operations.

Why expect Apple to act any differently here?
 
what what? Every time I need service, I make an appointment and get one same day (and those were not new devices, one was a 5 yo MBP to test the battery - it was still good, and another was to replace a battery on a iPhone 5s (which btw, a no-name repair shop offered to doff $7 less than Apple).

so no idea what you are saying.

hasn't the broader issue always been, bad repair shop replacing with bad parts and/or incorrectly, then the customer asking Apple to fix it, and under warranty no less? Or as has occurred many times, may places, unscrupulous actors removing parts from electronics, replacing them with crap and then taking the altered devices in for repair?

You think a battery test and replacement is a repair? That's level one maintenance.

As for the your other misunderstanding... What moron would pay a third party to perform a warrantied one?
 
it absolutely holds up, these 3rd party repairs can fix the logic board by replacing a node or module for 50 bucks vs being in the apple program and replacing the logic board in a iphone for 200 bucks. if you can't stop them, at least regulate them.

Nothing says a third-party repair shop won't be able to do both. They can tell the customer that the issue is the logic board, it may be fixable by replacing a burnt-out capacitor. Which will cost $5 in parts and $60 in labor. But that repair is risky and may not work. If it doesn't work, the shop can order them an OEM logic board replacement at Apple's normal cost, and do the replacement for the same $60 in labor.
 
So... hold on.

iPhone must be out of warranty. If you have an XS/XR, that still is not the case. Meaning that battery still needs to be swapped at an Apple Authorized shop.

How about some movement on the computer side as well please?

Unless I'm reading that wrong?

Your XR could still be out of warranty if Apple has declared it void e.g. because of "water damage" from being used in an environment with high enough humidity to activate their stickers.
 
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Correct which is why the first-party batteries and components he does import get stripped of the logo. My company (we are an Apple contractor that cannot source certain parts directly from Apple) even does this and they are in fact genuine Apple components however they are deemed counterfeit by word of policy (applies to non-imported locally sourced components) and law hence my statement that it doesn't
You say they’re genuine Apple components, but if they’re purchased from some random company, how do you know that’s true? Apple is the only source for Apple replacement parts, aren’t they?
 
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That was exactly the case for the batteries that were seized.

They were, in fact, counterfeit. Third party Chinese batteries, for a 6 or 7 year old Mac, which had a counterfeit logo and markings.

What? fraud in the repair business? who knew?
 
You don't find this odd? So the batteries came from Apple devices. Why? What was wrong with these devices that they had to be scrapped for their spare parts? Surely, according to Rossman, almost anything can be fixed. So why weren't these laptops fixed as opposed to being scrapped for parts? Further they came from China. I find it quite amazing that whoever had these devices in China didn't simply attempt to repair them. And if they couldn't repair them, then they scrap them and keep all the parts for themselves. Seems highly suspicious to me that they'd bother to ship spare parts halfway around the world (and have to deal with US Customs) instead of just finding a local buyer/repair shop to sell them too. Have you been to China/Asia? There are repair shops on almost every street corner. Even fairs/night markets are littered with repair shops. The whole thing seems very strange.
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Yeah, let's forget about the $29 battery repair program. Or the fact iOS 12 and 13 actually make older devices faster and increase their useful lifespan by another year.

I didn't say I didn't find it odd but I don't know of another solution outside of the high cost of being in Apple's own shell. As far as why they wouldn't fix them, well simply because they probably are beyond repair as is or the cost to repair exceeds the profitability. Yes I've been to China and have used components purchased there and had them cross checked here and they turn out genuine. For the comment on why they would bother sending them, well do you really think people in China are chasing genuine components, let alone Apple components? They really don't use Apple products as vividly as we do, the market for that is here not there. This recycling goes on here stateside as well too for the same reason. Screens, boards, batteries etc all get recycled and sold to repair centers across the US.
 
A step in the right direction, but I expect Louis will be along soon to highlight any reasons why it's actually little more than a PR/marketing stunt...
 
You don't find this odd? So the batteries came from Apple devices. Why? What was wrong with these devices that they had to be scrapped for their spare parts? Surely, according to Rossman, almost anything can be fixed. So why weren't these laptops fixed as opposed to being scrapped for parts? Further they came from China. I find it quite amazing that whoever had these devices in China didn't simply attempt to repair them. And if they couldn't repair them, then they scrap them and keep all the parts for themselves. Seems highly suspicious to me that they'd bother to ship spare parts halfway around the world (and have to deal with US Customs) instead of just finding a local buyer/repair shop to sell them too. Have you been to China/Asia? There are repair shops on almost every street corner. Even fairs/night markets are littered with repair shops. The whole thing seems very strange.

Fixing devices isn't the only legitimate business model. There is a perfectly good business model of buying broken devices, disassembling them, and selling the functional parts. Maybe they don't want to get into the business of repairs. Maybe they don't want to find/pay for the skilled workers to diagnose and perform repairs. It is easier, and almost just as environmentally friendly, to just disassemble the product into its component parts, test each part, and sell the parts. Nothing strange about it.
 
You say they’re genuine Apple components, but if they’re purchased from some random company, how do you know that’s true? Apple is the only source for Apple replacement parts, aren’t they?

Officially yes, but you can buy pallets of non-functioning Apple product either from China or even here in the US and bam you have yourself a boatload of usable components for repair. As I said, taking any component from an Apple device instantly makes it counterfeit in their eyes but that doesn't mean that's fact.
 
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Do you think Apple’s going to train these people for free? Ship parts out to them for free? They’re not a charity, and when it took this long for them to do this under immense pressure, there’s no way they haven’t found a way to make serious money on it.

I fully agree that it’s likely “free” to get the certification, just like the announcement says, but it’s also likely the case that only larger businesses or businesses with other operations than Apple device repair will actually be able to afford to use it. That’s how it already is with many Apple Authorized Resellers — if you don’t have some other business, you don’t have a snowball’s chance of staying open more than a year because of the costs that Apple arbitrarily introduces. Many AARs hold other businesses (like also being an Apple Authorized Service Provider, which is also too expensive except for large businesses) for the sole purpose of offsetting the money they lose under their AAR operations.

Why expect Apple to act any differently here?

So, you're fearmongering. Got it.
 
Wrong. The program started in March 2018 and has just been expanded. What “strong legal action” was Apple facing?

You’re going to have to look harder for something to complain about.

PS and maybe read the article before rushing to comment—the certification is free.
wrong. its not free and no where does it say its free. if you check along the links you'll find where to pay.maybe read the article before rushing to comment.:D
 
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I linked to an official Apple page saying there is a charge for the exam. You linked to an appleinsider.com article with an unsupported claim that it's free. The cost of a worker's time is just a bonus.
1) The Apple page you linked to is not relevant, as it was last updated April 15th, and so can’t reflect requirements for this program.

2) You asked for a source and I provided it. If you disagree with the accuracy of the AppleInsider article, take it up with them.

3) I don’t know what “The cost of a worker's time is just a bonus” means.
 
wrong. its not free and no where does it say its free. if you check along the links you'll find where to pay.maybe read the article before rushing to comment.:D
You’re wrong. Certification is free.

I not only read this article, but took the time to read others as well. Too bad you didn’t do the same.

“To qualify for the new program, businesses need to have an Apple-certified technician who can perform the repairs. The process for certification is simple and free of charge —but is not an immediate process, and requires passing an exam and completion to the course material to Apple's satisfaction.”

https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...ts-and-tools-to-more-third-party-repair-shops
 
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