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No one would show up (all the tech press will be in NYC for the Windows event) and even fewer would pay attention. Windows is the 800 lb gorillia in the room - when they update, the world watches.

There are loads of people who would jump on the opportunity to be at an Apple Keynote, i know i would :apple:
 
Great, just what the world needs: more stupid and unimaginative "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads.
 
Their numbers (especially in a recession) sugest otherwise. Record quarter after record quarter, positive growth forecasts out the next one, and an upcoming quarter that might be another milestone, not to mention their dominance of the Premium end of the market. Apple has been doing everything right, going from strenght to strength in all areas. While Windows 7 is as yet unreleased and untested in the market. Pre-release opinions mean nothing, especially in light of Vista. Until the first 3-6 months into it release, Windows 7 remains a huge question mark.

The pre-release version of Windows 7 is much more stable than the final release (and .1 revision) of Snow Leopard in my experience.
 
Amen to that! It's like, if I'm not getting any excitement from Apple, I'd like to at least have some hope by reading something, anything, interesting from MacRumors. For the last couple weeks, I feel like I'm in withdrawal...

I thought I was the only one! But an amazing iMac release on my birthday (10/20) would make up for it.
 
...there's ZERO reason to run Windows unless it's for gaming purposes...

Exactly!

And that's why Apple will not take over the Windows world any time soon. It's been said MANY times: games are what sells the hardware. Period.

Do people buy gaming consoles for the console itself, or the games it can/will run?

If games were simultaneously released on both OS platforms every time, then Windows PCs sales would plummet. The whole argument of which OS is better/easier/safer/etc. means very little. Hardware (and OS) sells because of the games it runs.

I get that some of you couldn't care less about gaming. Fine. But it doesn't change the above fact.
 
Amen to that! It's like, if I'm not getting any excitement from Apple, I'd like to at least have some hope by reading something, anything, interesting from MacRumors. For the last couple weeks, I feel like I'm in withdrawal...

I know exactly what you mean!! ;)
 
Works like a charm. Perhaps MS should render itself less easy of a target. But as Schiller said . . .

Works like a charm for people who already are Apple fans. Schiller is preaching to the choir.

Meanwhile, in the real world, I barely dare to mention I don't run Windows, because people think we're a bunch of idiots that don't know how to properly use a computer, and love everything that Apple forces down our throats. I guess I can thank the vocal fanboys for that.
 
The target audience is....

Following the "any publicity is good publicity" rule, it would seem to be dangerous for Apple to highlight Microsoft's announcement of Windows 7.

But then I realized that any Apple ads for Windows 7 won't be targeted at switchers - they'll simply be badmouthing Windows 7 to try to discourage reverse switching. Shiller's comments aren't much more than that....
 
It sucks that they've been working so well.

Their marketing department is certainly pulling their weight.
Doesn't mean much to me though, like we agreed before - I'm just an IT enthusiast with my anecdotal opinions that's unhappy with apple.
 
Until Apple can fill the gap in the desktop lineup they are not going to get many of the PC users that crave expandibility the Mac Pro is a great machine but come on, the price is to high for your average switcher. I know the Mac Pro is worth the money but convincing windows lovers it's worth the price is like pulling teeth! Apple needs to release a midsize tower with a couple drive bays and a couple pci slots, it's not that hard. Then I think we will get more switchers, riding on Microsofts bad software experience is not going to be a long ride in my opinion.

Amen to that.

I know several people who would buy their first Mac in a heartbeat, if what you describe were to happen.

No demand for it...Judging by Apple's strategy (successful especially in a recession), they understand the market perfectly.

Look/ask around.

Just because Apple is successful in the current market, doesn't mean that they are driving down the optimal path. This whole "Apple can do no wrong" attitude is ridiculous.
 
I hope Apple can capitalize on this. I've been using Windows 7 at work for several weeks now and it's not that thrilling over Vista. It's better in a few areas but the upgrade process takes forever (took about 3 hours) and there are weird little bugs that show up like Windows Explorer not refreshing the view as files are added/removed/renamed. Not everyone is seeing that but some are.

I think once Win7 gets into the average computer user's hands we'll get a good sense of Apple's chances. Someone going from XP to Win7 is going to have the same shock as going from XP to Vista.
 
Exactly!

And that's why Apple will not take over the Windows world any time soon. It's been said MANY times: games are what sells the hardware. Period.

Do people buy gaming consoles for the console itself, or the games it can/will run?

If games were simultaneously released on both OS platforms every time, then Windows PCs sales would plummet. The whole argument of which OS is better/easier/safer/etc. means very little. Hardware (and OS) sells because of the games it runs.

I get that some of you couldn't care less about gaming. Fine. But it doesn't change the above fact.

I disagree. You can build a capable Windows Gaming rig for a fraction of the cost of an iMac, and then upgrade the important pieces as needed.

It will take a combination of cross-platform releases as well as mid-level tower from Apple before Windows takes a hit in the gaming market. Every day that Apple waits is another day that sector slips from their fingers. You can't even find a game to buy for OSX on Steam, which is the direction the market is going for releasing games.
 
It will likely make the case that Macs are less susceptible to viruses

Well that's original. :)

But they work so why would this particular leopard change its spots? ;)

However, I don't think it'll make much difference now. I don't see Macs gettign that many more switchers but neither do I see the OEMS recapturing many of the customers who have switched.
 
"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?" says Schiller.

Any user that reads their data could be deleted by an operating system bug is probably going to freak out even more, tool.

I think back to the bean counter ad, is this Apple throwing money at advertising and not at fixing Snow Leopard? Oh, the irony.
 
Amen to that.

I know several people who would buy their first Mac in a heartbeat, if what you describe were to happen.

I first purchased a Mac at the behest of my buddy, who is the most staunchest Apple supporter I know. He has an iMac, MacBook Pro, iPhone, and a slew of iPods (he never hesitated to upgrade when a new one came out). Even he broke down and purchased a Windows gaming rig from Cyberpower PC.

Sorry to say so, but it appears to me that Apple wants to distinguish itself as the "Nintendo Wii" of the PC gaming market. They will domintate that area, make a ton of money off of it, but they will not be considered as a hard core gaming platform.
 
Like it is going to matter with their price points.

HP through their Compaq division is the first in a guaranteed onslaught of low cost big screen laptops http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/152839;_ylt=AooruUpmJWpiDlqnSMC1YVOCfNdF

So whats Apple's motto going to be? We are better and being expensive proves it? Apple is not going to hurt Windows in shape or form because their price points are totally out of line with the major market.

(and I still will own a new iMac soon hoping its quad core ... or the dreamed of xmac)
 
They would also have the same shock going from XP to OS X. ;)

True enough. But then people would know going in that it was going to be different.

From what I've seen in the two industries I've developed software for (education and healthcare) the users are very reticent to upgrade and tend to be very scared of the computer. So they tend to go for things that allow them the easiest path to what they want to do. I don't think we're going to see full adoption for a long time. The MS fanboys, techie people, and early adopters will upgrade first. I bet that many businesses will stick with XP longer because of the fear of change. Heck, some of my customers are still using Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 believe it or not.
 
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