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That's quite clever, actually.

Before we got our Apple rep I was tasked with promoting Apples at our new Apple display in the store. That was one of the ideas I came up with. I also suggested to the sales associates that they ask customers how they liked using Windows. :D We now sell more Macs than the Apple store up the street. :apple:
 
There's not much else they can do, aside from act confident and try to make the most of the situation. I wouldn't be surprised if mac sales (in absolute numbers) went up with so many people deciding it's time to buy a new computer. I will be shocked, however, if mac market share doesn't go down. I personally know too many people who are psyched about windows 7. A lot of people are going to be buying pc's. If phil didn't put on a strong game face, it would be even worse.

No one is gonna be psyched about having to re-format their hard drive and re-install all their software to upgrade from XP to System 7. Are you kidding me? I can't believe Microsoft expects people to do that. I don't even have half my original application disks.
 
Maybe it because I'm known as a "Mac Guru" among my friends (doesn't actually take much to be a computer guru, does it?), I don't hear anything from PC using friends about looking forward to upgrading to Windows 7-- didn't hear it about Snow Leopard, either, so that doesn't prove anything.

But, I DO hear from friends who have made the switch from Windows PCs to Macs. NONE of them have installed Windows on their new machines. None of them.

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The sort of people that have issues with transferring files or installing programs are the sort of people that are going to rush out and buy a copy of win7 for their old machines?

"no matter how you look at it -- it's still Windows" - The continued arrogance is ridiculous. You've most likely got an average user looking at these things things, wondering what all these problems are, who has them and probably wondering what os they're actually running, or an enthusiast who couldn't care less about marketing drivel.
Deleting data, silly prices, a tiny market share mainly made up of people that buy computers based on their look/an mp3 player purchase - maybe MS should take a leaf out of apples marketing team and go on the offensive, the forum posts would be entertaining - not that they need to...

If you think owning a Mac is all about how it looks, you really don't understand Apples. The appearance of an Apple Mac is only a benefit of Apple trying to make a computer easy to use. The main part is the OS combined with the essentially hand-picked hardware inside that pretty case. The Windows zealots argue that it's all the same hardware as any other PC, but then, a slip-joint plier is just like any other slip-joint plier, right? That $1 pair of pliers you bought at the discount store will last just as long as that $24 pair of Channel-Lock pliers you bought at the hardware store -- as long as you don't use it.

Yes, I know -- "Windows is used in the enterprise world-wide; Apple is just a niche player." That seems to be changing. One of the reasons the enterprise is still with Windows is because a huge proportion of the software they use is Windows-only. The other reason is that they've discovered how easy it is to simply wipe and re-image a defective machine compared to trying to figure out what caused it to fail in the first place. Much cheaper to spend 30 minutes replacing a corrupted drive than to spend several hours searching for the root of the problem. They also don't want outside software installed on corporate machines, thus maintaining tighter control over how the machine is used. Oddly, Apple is accused of doing the same sort of thing to its customers, only using hardware control rather than software.

So, yes. "No matter how you look at it, it's still Windows." You still have all the malware attempting to break into your machine. You still have all the Trojans attempting to steal your data. You still have all the botnets actively running on roughly 15% of all PCs out there (15% of 1.2B computers is over 170 million machines.) One study reports that nearly 50% of all PCs carry latent infections, simply waiting to be activated; even when they have AV clients installed.

Meanwhile, the only active malware on OS X occupies less than 0.2% of all Macs. These few Macs, about 15,000 in all, downloaded hacked versions of commercial software, opening themselves to the Trojan that infected them. In other words, in trying to get something for nothing, they got more than they asked for. As yet, no attack against OS X has been fully effective in infecting more than a tiny percentage of machines. I'm not saying it's impossible, but at least for now, reality supports the perception that Macs are more secure. "Windows is still Windows."
 
I don't get this. Surely "any time up until now" has been a window of opportunity for Apple to market themselves up against the (real and perceived) problems with Vista.

But "now" is surely less of an opportunity. People aren't going to wait months to replace their PC in order to get Windows 7 pre-installed, and then decide to buy a Mac instead. If they genuinely waited that long, they'll buy Windows 7.

The only opportunity for Apple is in a couple of months time if the Windows 7 adoption is problematic for a lot of users. Unless/until that happens, any Apple marketing is likely to be drowned in the wave of hype Windows 7 generates.

This just sounds like a little opportunistic attention-seeking from Apple.
 
Incorrect for the majority of users....

"Windows Easy Transfer" (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/...ansferring-files-and-settings-from-another-pc) will copy files and settings from the XP system to the new Windows 7 system.

Most users only have a few applications outside of what the OS provides (Photoshop Elements, for example), so installing those is fairly simple. There are new versions of Elements out anyway, so many will upgrade for the new features even though most old software works fine on Windows 7.
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Incorrect? Well that's your opinion.

My opinion is if you're going to what is essentially a new O/S in Win7 and you have to transfer files over and re-install your apps it ain't going to be any more difficult to switch to OS/X.

Irregardless of whether MS has a tool to transfer some settings and files and whether or not you only have 2 or 3 program to transfer or 10.

It's going to be a big change. Might as well just switch to OS/X then.

I say Mac market share continues to go up even with Win7.
 
I think the stupidest thing in Windows 7 is that it can run Windows XP, which means that it's the only way you can get some programs to run on Windows 7.

You mean like how OS X had a Classic environment for many years?

And as everyone says, "it's still Windows", it's still going to bomb you with warning dialogs

You can tailor the level of UAC interference from "Off" to "Really annoying" now. Pick which one works for you.

you'll still have 4 icons in the task bar blinking and warning you about stuff you don't care about, one telling you that "the network has limited connectivity" when you're perfectly well connected, one saying that your virus database is out of date, etc...

You've clearly not used 7 yet, have you?


And then those drivers eventually run into some problem, you install another one, but the old one is somehow still there, causing conflicts, etc...

Windows has come a long way as far as having drivers ready to go for a lot of hardware when you plug it in. If it doesn't have it local, chances are if the hardware was made in the last few years you can tell it to download drivers with a single click.


... I realize you're an Apple fanboy and think that the folks in Redmond can't do anything right, but really.. 7 is miles better than Vista. It's like they took a step back and thought what don't people like about Vista and took great strides to correct it. I use OS X more than I use Windows, but 7 has really made me contemplate changing that (especially since CS4 for Windows comes in a 64bit flavor).
 
And look for it to poke fun at Microsoft for making XP owners go through an arduous process to upgrade to Windows 7—one that includes backing up all their files to an external drive, reformatting their PC, and then reinstalling all of their old programs, assuming they still have the CDs. "Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?" says Schiller.

Why not just buy a Mac, he asks? If a user is going to have a hard time backing up files and reinstalling old files, they will have a much harder time switching operating systems.

They'll still have to back up files, still have to reinstall applications (assuming OSX equivalents are available), still have to set-up printers and devices, and then have to completely learn a new OS (in somes cases, this means 'unlearning' the extra steps required in windows).

Assuming Windows users still have the disks? What about having to buy all new comparable software during the switch?

He goes on to say:
Schiller won't say if Apple is planning to cut prices, which would certainly attract a flock of new buyers. He points out that the company already has programs for helping PC users switch; people who pay $99 a year for its One to One training program can bring their PCs to an Apple Store and have all their files transferred.

If it is so easy for users to switch, why charge a premium to help them out? Sounds like Schiller is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Schiller says the success of Apple's operating system is indicative of the changing fortunes in the tech industry. While less than 20% of Windows users have moved to the three-year-old Vista, more than 70% of Mac users have upgraded to the Apple operating system introduced at about the same time. He has similar hopes for Apple's four-month-old Snow Leopard OS. Says Schiller: "I expect Snow Leopard will have an amazing upgrade rate, and Windows 7 won't."

20% of Windows users is still double the entire install base of OSX. I disagree with Schiller though, Windows 7 will have an amazing adoption rate.
 
The PC virus thing is really the oldest joke in the book. I do appreciate that Macs aren't susceptible to viruses but can't they come up with something new?

Doesn't matter if it's the oldest joke in the book, it's still real. I would never log into my banking account online using any Windows PC, my security is important to me, Windows 7 doesn't fix this. Just as customers going in to buy a new computer have the mentality that Macs are more expensive. Thanks to Dell and HP making surplus trash for $500, the price complaint about Macs is still real.
 
The pre-release version of Windows 7 is much more stable than the final release (and .1 revision) of Snow Leopard in my experience.
I think the money that's going for this advertising should have been used for getting a better Snow Leopard out the door the first time around. :p

Apple needs new hardware out as well otherwise other manufacturers are holding off on new models until Windows 7 is available at retail. Is Apple going to trot out marketing instead of hardware? :rolleyes:
 
Your customers, whoever they are, obviously in no way, shape or form reflect the bulk of Apple's market.

Obviously eh?

...And please, quit telling us you sell Macs in every second hardware thread....it doesn't really add any more to your credibility...

He sees firsthand what customers want. Please explain how this doesn't add to his credibility, or the credibility of his observations.
 
I think Apple should stay quiet until they have fixed the mysterious data wiping 'feature' of OS X SL!

As others have said, Apple has a different market to Microsoft. I don't even know why they are classed as competitors as such because Microsoft is primarily a software company and in fact gains from Apples success due to the fact that both OS X and Windows can run on the same machine.

I don't think that the virus and particularly the insecurity gameplan is going to work against Windows 7. Lets face it, no matter which way anyone tries to swing it W7 is a nice OS. Not as nice to use overall as OS X, and visually not as good (right click your mouse in W7 and you see the old grey W98 style box!), but there is no denying that it is a good OS. And I only used it in public Beta form, so the final release is only going to be better. But security is probably about the same on both OS's. The main issue with Windows is the number of malware programs in existence and the way that the general public is generally ignorant and continues to visit dodgy porn sites etc. Although maybe that would be a good line for Apple "Unlike Windows, with OS X Snow Leopard you can watch porn all day long without any risk of malware." There must be a huge market for porn, so maybe Apple can tap into those users ;)

I think that Apple should concentrate on extolling the virtues of the really cool software that is available on the Mac and the seamless way it all integrates. Forget viruses etc, why not mention the way that Windows seriously clogs up over time and spreads DLL files everywhere. The fact that you can't just drag applications to the trash can to get rid of them. Or the fact that inexperienced computer users simply get on with OS X better than Windows mainly because it doesn't suffer from the aforementioned crap.

The big problem with Windows is that they have certainly made the user interface and overall experience better. But Microsoft still hasn't really touched the basic foundations of how Windows functions. If they had then they would have solved things like the need to install applications and the way that such process spread files everywhere. They would have completely ditched things like the highly problematic registry.

The problem is that they can't because it would take a monumental shift to do it and the same kind of confidence that it took Apple to break with the past and release OS X. In doing so MS would suffer from major incompatibility issues, the likes of which the computer world probably hasn't seen before. It would take years before such an OS gained true traction, and in all that time, just like Apple they would need some form of legacy support.

Although having said that MS might be indicating that way. After all W7 has an XP emulation mode.
 
The pre-release version of Windows 7 is much more stable than the final release (and .1 revision) of Snow Leopard in my experience.

I completely agree with the above statement. I am a long time Windows user, switched to OSX the past 3 years. I can't believe Apple shipped this 'Snow-leopard' without completely testing it.
 
What were the available upgrade paths from Mac OS 9 to OS X?

That one is real simple. Install OS X. I didn't need to go through any convoluted "back up, wipe and reinstall" upgrade path, I simply installed it.

Until 10.5, Classic mode was supported and I was able to use all my old OS 7, 8 & 9 applications as though they were natively installed, even Photoshop 2.5, released back in '93. Now I'm using Photoshop CS3 and don't need to run that older version any more... in fact, I didn't need to run it even in 10.4 -- I ran it because I could run it.
 
No one is gonna be psyched about having to re-format their hard drive and re-install all their software to upgrade from XP to System 7. Are you kidding me? I can't believe Microsoft expects people to do that. I don't even have half my original application disks.

Yikes. Keeping all the original application disks is just as important as having a back-up in my opinion. I have a CD wallet with every application installed on the PC. I always thought it was kinda common sense. (Why pay $100's for software and then throw the disk away???)

I think people are making too big a deal about the reformatting step in upgrading to Windows 7. It is a painless step in the upgrade process, unlike past installation methods that was all blue screen and scary warnings.
 
Works like a charm for people who already are Apple fans. Schiller is preaching to the choir.

Meanwhile, in the real world, I barely dare to mention I don't run Windows, because people think we're a bunch of idiots that don't know how to properly use a computer, and love everything that Apple forces down our throats. I guess I can thank the vocal fanboys for that.
+1 you should see my teachers at me saying "I don't run windows" Cardinal sin that is.
 
I disagree. You can build a capable Windows Gaming rig for a fraction of the cost of an iMac, and then upgrade the important pieces as needed.

It will take a combination of cross-platform releases as well as mid-level tower from Apple before Windows takes a hit in the gaming market. Every day that Apple waits is another day that sector slips from their fingers. You can't even find a game to buy for OSX on Steam, which is the direction the market is going for releasing games.

I completely agree with this actually...especially the bold part.
 
Doesn't matter if it's the oldest joke in the book, it's still real. I would never log into my banking account online using any Windows PC, my security is important to me, Windows 7 doesn't fix this. Just as customers going in to buy a new computer have the mentality that Macs are more expensive. Thanks to Dell and HP making surplus trash for $500, the price complaint about Macs is still real.


I just installed Windows 7 on a 6 year old "Surplus Trash" Dell. Works like a champ!

Can't say the same for the G4 Mac Mini--Apple doesn't support that "Premium" hardware anymore. Go figure.
 
Methinks thou art unaware of just what enterprise capability there is for OS X. There is far, far more enterprise software out there than you can imagine. I know a number of people who have Switched, many of them IT professionals; they do NOT run Windows at all any more.

You're right! I'm one of them. I support an ALL Windows environment as IT Manager, and my everyday system is a White Macbook. I can do everything on it from Word processing & Spreadsheets to Mail/Calendar, and infrastructure support. I don't use Word or Excel either; in fact I have NO MS products running on it. It's fast, easy, and no worries of viruses, etc. I've had it for over a year now, and it's as fast now as it was when I started...

Funny how rumor's and FUD start...;)
 
Everyone format's and re-install's OSX for every upgrade, which is an 18 months cycle. I've formatted and re-installed XP once in 5 years.

err no they don't, I haven't, I've upgraded from tiger to leopard and then to snow leopard on all the boxes in the house and they've all worked flawlessly.

Don't generalize when you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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