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Apple to Begin iPhone 6, 6s, and SE Manufacturing in India Over Next Few Months

d5aqoëp said:
My statement means exactly that.
This year 5 and 5c support would be dropped
Next year 6 and 6 Plus wouldn't receive iOS 12.
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Nah I don't think that'll be the case. Besides you're missing off the 5S. If any would be dropped with iOS 12, it would be the 5S, but I don't think that would happen either as it has similar hardware performance to the 6/6 Plus. And there's still the iPhone SE which has the 4" form factor, which is obviously still being sold.

Apple historically support hardware and software updates for at least 5 years from the date of last manufactured. There are a few exceptions to this rule, though that's normally when the product was in its infancy and the older hardware just can't hack it. Hardware performance is considerably more capable since the iPhone 5 and the only reason the iPhone 5 is being dropped is because Apple want to move to pure 64-bit development & OS.

TL;DR: if support will be dropped, it won't be due to the RAM. Not in the near future, anyway.
 
cube said:
These phones are mainly made for India, so it's a start.
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Much of India is very poor, and probably will not be able to afford even an older iPhone.

Who does Apple expect to sell these phone to?
 
Cineplex said:
People assume that 3GB is the limit to 32bit hardware when in fact if it has a PAE (Physical Address Extension) it can use more than 4GB.
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To which again I ask, what does dropping 32 bit have to do with 1GB vs. 2GB in the context you brought it up as evidence for dropping support?
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vertical smile said:
Much of India is very poor, and probably will not be able to afford even an older iPhone.

Who does Apple expect to sell these phone to?
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The rising middle class in East Asia...mostly china, but India is becoming the world's assembly plant like China has been for 30+ years as the stopgap until the Chinese infrastructure investments in Africa start to pay off....
 
keysofanxiety said:
Nah I don't think that'll be the case. Besides you're missing off the 5S. If any would be dropped with iOS 12, it would be the 5S, but I don't think that would happen either as it has similar hardware performance to the 6/6 Plus. And there's still the iPhone SE which has the 4" form factor, which is obviously still being sold.

Apple historically support hardware and software updates for at least 5 years from the date of last manufactured. There are a few exceptions to this rule, though that's normally when the product was in its infancy and the older hardware just can't hack it. Hardware performance is considerably more capable since the iPhone 5 and the only reason the iPhone 5 is being dropped is because Apple want to move to pure 64-bit development & OS.

TL;DR: if support will be dropped, it won't be due to the RAM. Not in the near future, anyway.
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Not true, Apple has recently supported flagship iPhones for 5 years after date of release, not when they stopped being manufactured. As a recent example, the iPhone 4s was released in fall 2011 and sold through the fall of 2014 (when the iPhone 6 was released) and was no longer supported with iOS 10 which was released in the fall of 2016.

The iPhone 4s has also been the iPhone model with the longest support (so far).
 
bodonnell202 said:
Not true, Apple has recently supported flagship iPhones for 5 years after date of release, not when they stopped being manufactured. As a recent example, the iPhone 4s was released in fall 2011 and sold through the fall of 2014 (when the iPhone 6 was released) and was no longer supported with iOS 10 which was released in the fall of 2016.
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The reasoning for that was due more to the screen size though. There's always an exception to the rule but I'm sure you'll agree that the 5S won't be dropped any time soon.
 
cube said:
http://www.amazon.in/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1389432031/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_2_3561110031
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Thanks for the link, but it didn't explain anything.
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NT1440 said:
To which again I ask, what does dropping 32 bit have to do with 1GB vs. 2GB in the context you brought it up as evidence for dropping support?
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The rising middle class in East Asia...mostly china, but India is becoming the world's assembly plant like China has been for 30+ years as the stopgap until the Chinese infrastructure investments in Africa start to pay off....
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The person I replied to said that these phones were mainly to be sold in India.

See:
cube said:
These phones are mainly made for India
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But, like you said, it would make sense for them to be sold elsewhere though.
 
vertical smile said:
Thanks for the link, but it didn't explain anything.
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The person I replied to said that these phones were mainly to be sold in India.

See:


But, like you said, it would make sense for them to be sold elsewhere though.
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The middle class in India consists of about 260 million people now and keeps growing.
 
vertical smile said:
Much of India is very poor, and probably will not be able to afford even an older iPhone.

Who does Apple expect to sell these phone to?
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I suppose the rising middle class?
I mean, it's true that a lot of them in the rural areas aren't even going to think about buying an iPhone but with a ginormous population as India's and a huge income disparity, you'd be surprised at how many just might be able to afford it and then some, either way am sure Apple wouldn't head for India if not for making more money. :D

From 9to5mac
Sales figures from the beginning of the year illustrate the importance of India as a growth market for Apple: while the global smartphone market grew only 3% last year, smartphone shipments in India grew by 18%. Apple is currently in 10th place in Indian smartphone sales
 
cube said:
The middle class in India consists of about 260 million people now and keeps growing.
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That still doesn't mean anything.

Middle class in India is very different than the middle class in the western world.

The average Indian middle class household makes a tiny fraction to what the an US middle class family makes.

I just don't think there will be a big market for iPhone sales in India. Most family will not be able to afford them.
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Oblivious.Robot said:
I suppose the rising middle class?
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See my post above about India's middle class.
 
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vertical smile said:
That still doesn't mean anything.

Middle class in India is very different than the middle class in the western world.

The average Indian middle class household makes a tiny fraction to what the an US middle class family makes.

I just don't think there will be a big market for iPhone sales in India. Most family will not be able to afford them.
[doublepost=1490282273][/doublepost]See my post above about India's middle class.
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Do you know that there are 100 billionaires in India and that Bollywood makes more movies than Hollywood?
 
vertical smile said:
Much of India is very poor, and probably will not be able to afford even an older iPhone.

Who does Apple expect to sell these phone to?
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If at all, Apple wont be able to sell a lot of iPhones not because people cannot afford it but there are plenty of much much cheaper options that give similar features and more than acceptable quality. You can do a lot of things with the kind of money an iPhone sells for in India.
 
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vertical smile said:
That still doesn't mean anything.

Middle class in India is very different than the middle class in the western world.

The average Indian middle class household makes a tiny fraction to what the an US middle class family makes.

I just don't think there will be a big market for iPhone sales in India. Most family will not be able to afford them.
[doublepost=1490282273][/doublepost]See my post above about India's middle class.
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Oh I agree, the middle class will not be comparable.
However we can agree that Apple isn't necessarily going into the market with manufacturing blindfolded, I believe they're playing the long game.
And I think it'll pay off, just like China but not necessarily as big as they're probably going to target the younger generations in Mumbai, Delhi and other cities.
I'd wager even those who can easily afford the Apple ecosystem would number into millions of people alone.
 
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cube said:
You can make

Do you know that there are 100 billionaires in India and that Bollywood makes more movies than Hollywood?
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So Apple is marketing to 100 people and Bollywood stars?

Anyways, I could be wrong, but I doubt Apple will have much success there. Although, I am not a super successful Apple upper-management employee, so maybe they know things I don't.

With an average income of less than $15 a day for an entire Indian household, how could they possibly afford a new iPhone.
 
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vertical smile said:
So Apple is marketing to 100 people and Bollywood stars?

Anyways, I could be wrong, but I doubt Apple will have much success there. Although, I am not a super successful Apple upper-management employee, so maybe they know things I don't.

With an average income of less than $15 a day for an entire Indian household, how could they possibly afford a new iPhone.
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You get that $15 number (assuming it is correct) as average income. That does not take into account the income disparity. There are literally millions of people in India who can most definitely afford an iPhone. However splurging so much money on a phone does not make sense in India when you take into account the cost of living in India and how far that kind of money will take you.
 
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d5aqoëp said:
My statement means exactly that.
This year 5 and 5c support would be dropped
Next year 6 and 6 Plus wouldn't receive iOS 12.

But Apple can surprise us and drop support for 1 GB RAM devices all together. You cannot deny the possibility.
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That's not how it has worked so far. iOS 11 will be 5S and up, 12 will be 6 and up, 13 will be 6S and up.

What makes you think they're going to change that up?
 
keysofanxiety said:
The reasoning for that was due more to the screen size though. There's always an exception to the rule but I'm sure you'll agree that the 5S won't be dropped any time soon.
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Somehow I think iOS support for iPhone 5, 5c and 5S would be dropped at the same time. All those 3 phones currently struggle on iOS 10. It's not as bad as iPhone 4 on iOS 7 or 4S on iOS 9 but iOS 10 has gotten heavier on RAM requirements side. Since 6S and iPad Air 2, Apple has not released 1 GB device. Even Mini 4 launched in Sept 2015 has 2 GB.

We have to wait till WWDC June 2017 to find out. 3 more months.
 
d5aqoëp said:
Somehow I think iOS support for iPhone 5, 5c and 5S would be dropped at the same time. All those 3 phones currently struggle on iOS 10. It's not as bad as iPhone 4 on iOS 7 or 4S on iOS 9 but iOS 10 has gotten heavier on RAM requirements side. Since 6S and iPad Air 2, Apple has not released 1 GB device. Even Mini 4 launched in Sept 2015 has 2 GB.

We have to wait till WWDC June 2017 to find out. 3 more months.
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Disagree, my 5S is absolutely fine on iOS 10. And my sister's iPhone 5 is fine on iOS 10. My brother has an iPhone 5 too and that's fine.

It depends what you class as 'struggle'. But it's not macOS running on a 5400RPM drive struggle. They're still perfectly usable.
 
d5aqoëp said:
but iOS 10 has gotten heavier on RAM requirements side.
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I have noticed this with my iPad Mini 2. After upgrading to iOS 10, it started to behave as if it is low on RAM. Safari is the worse, as scrolling a page is very choppy, and the page turns white. It comes back after a few seconds. IMO, it is probably page swapping everything.

Typing also sucks, as there is a lag while typing. I can type a sentence, and it doesn't appear for a 3-5 seconds.

These issues seem to vary though depending on the device.
 
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I am from India and I can see the percentage of iPhones being used has gone up over the past 2 years not only in cities but also in small towns especially after the larger phones are introduced.

Even with huge income gap there are lot of people who are willing to get an iphone paying full price
 
NT1440 said:
To which again I ask, what does dropping 32 bit have to do with 1GB vs. 2GB in the context you brought it up as evidence for dropping support?
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The rising middle class in East Asia...mostly china, but India is becoming the world's assembly plant like China has been for 30+ years as the stopgap until the Chinese infrastructure investments in Africa start to pay off....
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I didn't. I didn't say anything about dropping support. RAM has zero to do with it. I was just saying why people might be jumping to that conclusion. People think RAM size is related to 32/64 bit architectures...but it isn't. The A7 was the first 64bit chip and nothing currently ships with that chip so it's been a while that the OS has been supporting 32bit devices. I guess it is possible that Apple cuts off support for 32bit hardware with its iOS11 release. But that isn't going to affect the 6 or 6s unless its artificial Apple limitations.
 
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