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Got some proof. I can own a cell phone that’s not a smartphone. But why buy a smartphone without the ability to install apps? It’s like buying a car without the ability to start it.
I can't speak for everyone, but my parents did it because the camera is far better than those on the dumb phones - especially with the post-processing logic Apple does. And it is better than carrying a dumb phone and a really good separate camera everywhere.
 
Selling software over the web today is pretty easy with tons of cheap CDNs like Cloudflare and payment processors like Stripe. It's also less costly than selling on the App Store: ~3% credit card fees vs 30% commission by Apple.

And if you can reach your customers this way, there is nothing stopping you to do this, either.
 
And if you can reach your customers this way, there is nothing stopping you to do this, either.

Right, and on iOS you can't distribute it this way. I personally really wish you could though. That would definitely entice me to build apps for iOS.
 
I can't speak for everyone, but my parents did it because the camera is far better than those on the dumb phones - especially with the post-processing logic Apple does. And it is better than carrying a dumb phone and a really good separate camera everywhere.
So it sounds like your parents use case could be a “smartphone” without the need to install 3rd party apps.
 
So it sounds like your parents use case could be a “smartphone” without the need to install 3rd party apps.
Not sure what you mean, I am not debating that? I said so myself, my parents don't install any apps. Therefore, mobile apps are not a NECESSITY. Your post is exactly what I am saying, and my arguments why mobile apps are NOT a necessity.
 
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Quick question... does the Netherland's 21% VAT affect this in any way? Good or bad?

I'm not familiar with VAT.
VAT is similar to sales tax except "It is levied on the price of a product or service at each stage of production, distribution, or sale to the end consumer". If you look at Apple's EU stores the prices will state that VAT is included in the price but the price can vary for areas where VAT differs from the national norm.
 
Yep this exactly. Some of the better apps on the app store have come from indie developers that may not have been able to enter the App Store if they had to pony up 500 - 1000 dollars just to play ball.
This is all going to end up with a tiered payment structure which will irritate developers. Can you use Visual Studio Community or professional? Depends on your revenue and employees! Can you use Unity Plus or Unity Pro? Depends on your revenue.

This will end up having multiple Xcode and tiered subscriptions based on different criteria.
 
What IP? LOL The ones they created with monopoly in mind?
E.g. Metal, why didn't they use Vulkan or continue improving OpenGL/CL.
All was done only for one purpose, exploiting the market through anticompetitive behavior.
Or it was done so that Apple could have an API that they control and will work best on their hardware. You can still use OpenGL/CL for graphics (OpenGLES.framework) if that is the route you choose. You can even kinda of sort of use Vulkan to an extent (MoltenVK). It's not anticompetitive to write your own graphics engine tailored for use on your platform.
 
Right, and on iOS you can't distribute it this way. I personally really wish you could though. That would definitely entice me to build apps for iOS.

Sure you can! You can put a free app in the iOS App Store where your customers have to put in their credentials (that they used on your website to pay for your software/services) to log in and make the iOS app functional.
 
Sure you can! You can put a free app in the iOS App Store where your customers have to put in their credentials (that they used on your website to pay for your software/services) to log in and make the iOS app functional.

Yes, that is probably the best way for now. However in some cases Apple has started to enforce that the app also have a sign-up functionality w/ IAP so the app isn't useless for new customers who download it. I believe this is what a lot of the Hey email fiasco was about in 2020.
 
The different is, banks are a necessity, mobile apps are not.
Sort of. Banks are government regulated database administrators. Their added value is minimal. But goven
How can apple charge developers a commision for something that will no longer be used (apples payment system) and then I read Apple's update and then it hit me, Apple are going to charge developers the commision on everytime the StoreKit External Purchase Entitlement or the StoreKit External Purchase Link Entitlement or StoreKit API's are used because think about it, everytime one of the dating apps customers clicks on a link that takes them outside of the app to pay for something, they will be using StoreKit to do it. This is how Apple is going to get it's commision in my opinion, if they cannot get it via apples pay system, they will get it via StoreKit. what a scummy way to behave. Apple are disgusting.
They are charging for use of the platform and its tools and access to Apple’s customers on a worldwide store. Payment processing is a small part what the fee is for.
 
Or maybe Apple just genuinely believe they are entitled to these fees. Which they are.
I would agree if Apple was the one surfacing these apps to me but they’re not. They’re a middle man. Of course they should be compensated for building the platform and what it takes to maintain iOS and the App Store. But the way it is now a few apps are subsidizing all the other apps on the store. I think that’s grossly unfair. If every app in the App Store us benefiting from the platform Apple created then why do only a small percentage have to pay Apple rent?
 
I would agree if Apple was the one surfacing these apps to me but they’re not. They’re a middle man.
Same as Costco and Walmart and target.
Of course they should be compensated for building the platform and what it takes to maintain iOS and the App Store. But the way it is now a few apps are subsidizing all the other apps on the store.
I would like to point out this isn’t your business, it’s apples’ business.
I think that’s grossly unfair.
It’s not your business, you didn’t build it with your $$$.
If every app in the App Store us benefiting from the platform Apple created then why do only a small percentage have to pay Apple rent?
Because it’s apples business and that’s their business model.
 
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Yep this exactly. Some of the better apps on the app store have come from indie developers that may not have been able to enter the App Store if they had to pony up 500 - 1000 dollars just to play ball.
OK but they’re still using Apple’s IP and benefiting from the platform Apple created. If Apple is entitled to a fee/commission for this then it should apply to everyone.
 
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Same as Costco and Walmart and target.

I would like to point out this isn’t your business, it’s apples’ business.

It’s not your business, you didn’t build it with your $$$.

Because it’s apples business and that’s their business model.
Except you can’t compare to B&M. I’ve never gone into Target or Walmart and seen products on the shelves that were free. According to Tim Cook 84% of the apps on the App Store are free. All those free apps are still using Apple’s platform/IP/developer tools.
 
I would agree if Apple was the one surfacing these apps to me but they’re not. They’re a middle man. Of course they should be compensated for building the platform and what it takes to maintain iOS and the App Store. But the way it is now a few apps are subsidizing all the other apps on the store. I think that’s grossly unfair. If every app in the App Store us benefiting from the platform Apple created then why do only a small percentage have to pay Apple rent?
The problem is that you are only looking at yourself in your example. A lot of people discover apps through the App Store. Not everyone has the same experience is all i'm saying.
The only apps that are subsidizing all the others are the ones who are making money off of their apps. There are a lot of apps on the store that are free, and do not use IAP to generate revenue.
 
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Classic Apple trolloling lawmakers. It will backfire I think. That's the recipe to be beaten. Authorities have a special detector for law application trollolin' and they do not like it.
 
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