3% is about the cost to process credit cards, which is why Apple reduced the commission by 3%.
It’s closer to 1% in Europe due to the EU interchange fee cap.
3% is about the cost to process credit cards, which is why Apple reduced the commission by 3%.
That's exactly how it works.So you’re admitting a small number of game developers subsidize the rest of the App Store.
What is disgusting is that people think that apple should host apps for free.
It’s not free, it costs $100 per year to be an Apple developer.What is disgusting is that people think that apple should host apps for free.
Really? Who says that? I've not read one person say it should be free but lots of people say 30% is too much. Does your brain think if you complain something costs too much then it should be free? There's nothing in between?What is disgusting is that people think that apple should host apps for free.
What rock have you been living under? Smartphones are by far the most ubiquitous computing devices and are an integral part of life in virtually every developed country.The different is, banks are a necessity, mobile apps are not.
At the moment it's $100 per year AND commission on digital goods sold within iOS apps. If the commission is reduced, or goes entirely, the $100 per year will have to go up to compensate for the lost revenue.It’s not free, it costs $100 per year to be an Apple developer.
I guess technically they are introducing developers to customers as the only way to download an app is via their App Store. But I honestly can’t think of the last app I downloaded because Apple introduced me to it. I think the notion that Apple is responsible for all 3rd party apps customer acquisition and therefore deserve a cut of their sales is debatable.Not true, they are entitled to be paid for the services they offer, such as introducing developers to customers.
Think of it as like selling a house. You can do it all yourself, but it would be very difficult. Or you can employ an estate agent to market your house and introduce you to potential buyers. Estate agents take a cut of the sale price of your house. The estate agent didn’t build the house, own the house and was not responsible for the upkeep of the house but their services are charged as a % of the sale price of your house.
Correct, but apps are not necessary. All smartphones have access to the internet.What rock have you been living under? Smartphones are by far the most ubiquitous computing devices and are an integral part of life in virtually every developed country.
Then Apple should just be honest about it.That's exactly how it works.
ACM’s response: Ja, Tim funny guy, fine increased by 10000%.It seems to me that Apple is doing the bare minimum to comply with the ACM's ruling.
I am eagerly awaiting the ACM's response.
They aren't responsible for all 3rd party app customer acquisitions, but they are responsible for all 3rd party customer acquisitions on iOS.I guess technically they are introducing developers to customers as the only way to download an app is via their App Store. But I honestly can’t think of the last app I downloaded because Apple introduced me to it. I think the notion that Apple is responsible for all 3rd party apps customer acquisition and therefore deserve a cut of their sales is debatable.
Oh boy, still 27%, this will not land well with anti-monopolists and legislators![]()
They are? It is well known that iOS apps that don't sell digital content within them pay no commission. Apple's own developer agreement states this.Then Apple should just be honest about it.
Back in 2008 Steve Jobs said Apple had no plans for the App Store to be a profit center. It existed to sell iPhones and they’d treat it as a break-even business. That’s clearly not the case now. The App Store now is big business expected to generate the bulk of Apple’s ’services’ revenues.At the moment it's $100 per year AND commission on digital goods sold within iOS apps. If the commission is reduced, or goes entirely, the $100 per year will have to go up to compensate for the lost revenue.
Smartphones are useful precisely because of apps. You’re obviously arguing in bad faith.Until the law says apps are necessary and are a regulated market, they are not necessary and are not regulated.
If I download a game on my iPhone because I saw an ad for it on Instagram (or inside another game app) how is Apple responsible for that customer acquisition? Just because the app is on iOS?They aren't responsible for all 3rd party app customer acquisitions, but they are responsible for all 3rd party customer acquisitions on iOS.
Absolutely, it's proven to be a wildly successful business beyond Apple's expectations. Imagine if developers hadn't asked for an App Store and we all used web apps instead as per the original iPhone! Apple would have missed out on this gold mine.Back in 2008 Steve Jobs said Apple had no plans for the App Store to be a profit center. It existed to sell iPhones and they’d treat it as a break-even business. That’s clearly not the case now. The App Store now is big business expected to generate the bulk of Apple’s ’services’ revenues.
Because you've gone to the iOS App Store to obtain the game. If you went to the developers website and played the game there, and purchased content on their website for the game, Apple wouldn't be entitled to a cut at that point.If I download a game on my iPhone because I saw an ad for it on Instagram (or inside another game app) how is Apple responsible for that customer acquisition? Just because the app is on iOS?
Problem is, I can’t download iOS apps from any other source than the App Store.Because you've gone to the iOS App Store to obtain the game. If you went to the developers website and played the game there, and purchased content on their website for the game, Apple wouldn't be entitled to a cut at that point.
I disagree.Smartphones are useful precisely because of apps. You’re obviously arguing in bad faith.
All this time they were fighting for "alternative payment systems"
Turns out they should have been fighting for "lower commission fees"
I'm guessing more lawsuits are coming. Grab your popcorn!
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Correct. And that's only a problem if Apple hold a monopoly position on the sale of 'digital goods', which they don't, hence the way Apple currently operates is legal.Problem is, I can’t download iOS apps from any other source than the App Store.