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Apple to Cut iPhone 6s and 6s Plus Production by 30% in Q1 2016
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They lost my business for cancelling Black Friday discounts this year. I don't need much. $50 on a $1000 phone is a drop in a bucket. It's mostly psychological - tradition. My 5S is still perfectly fine and will hold for another year I hope. May be on a grand scale it's doesn't matter but at least few of my friend decided not to upgrade on BF. Tradition goes both ways Apple 
Actually, the problem is that the US dollar has strengthened making the already expensive iPhone even more expensive in many countries. I like that Apple keeps prices consistent across the world, but it's time for those prices to be dropped across the board. This is even more important as smartphones have become mature as a class of products and people now need to upgrade less often.
So you dont know any difference with the Ram ? Do you have a 6S or 6S Plus ?
I was thinking about getting the 6S Plus and performance improvement from the ram was the main factor.
but there's seems to be a good amount of people here who are saying it's not that much different.
I've used my wife's 6s quite a bit (whatever's closer when I need to look something up) and honestly, I don't see a difference over my 6. The touchID is annoyingly faster -- in that, you can't even check the time without the phone unlocking. Otherwise, I really should have given myself the 6s and her the 6 because at least I'd use the force touch and stuff. The camera on her phone is marginally better... but nothing huge. I'm glad she got it though so we could put her on 128GB vs. her old 32GB. Otherwise, I wonder if the battery is maybe better on my 6 vs. her 6s.... My advice if you have a 6... keep it.
This is my wife. I am usually on the number cycle and she's on the "S" cycle so I usually show her all of the new stuff on her phone. I showed her live pics, force touch, etc. on her new phone and she doesn't use a thing of it b/c she never remembers.
Bingo.
And all of the above explains (partly) the drop in production. I'm going to guess that as we see the smartphone market mature and plateau, we're going to see people holding on to their phones longer. We're already seeing adjustments from carriers, going away from contracts that help subsidize phones. Without the burden of subsidy built into the monthly bill anymore, there is even less incentive to upgrade hardware. Couple that with negligible feature upgrades on the devices and I could imagine that in a short time we could see less units being sold. Maybe not! Maybe something revolutionary will come along and we'll all clamor for the latest and greatest annually. We shall see!
I noticed that you are using the Euro sign. Depending on where you are, there are also some crazy high sales taxes in Europe which are not helping at all.
I love these headlines that make rumors sound like fact. Apple didn't say they were cutting production, supply chain rumors are suggesting it.
Let's not forget these rumors come out all the time. Here's a story from Jan 14, 2013:
Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts
Let's not forget these rumors come out all the time. Here's a story from Jan 14, 2013:
Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts
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I agree with this. I just made the jump from a 5S and to a 6S and it's great, I'm really really loving it. But my 5S is still a great phone. I see my sister as the sort of voice of the masses. She doesn't know what a transistor is but she loves the rose gold colour. The peasant masses just want something shiny, flashy and new, what's underneath doesn't mean much so long as its not slow.
While for me the 3D touch is a nice feature but not game changing. the 16nm A9 chip is very impressive, nice amount of LPDDR4 2GB RAM, 2x2 .ac WiFi (really noticed the difference). For me as an engineer and tech geek the S versions are what really stroke my feathers, for the peasants its the non-S design that does it for them. That and iPhones are just so dam good these days the jumps are feeling a bit less noticeable.
There can't be infinite growth, at some point sales will slow down, doesn't mean Apple is in trouble unless you are looking for clickbait or are an investor.
They lost my business for cancelling Black Friday discounts this year. I don't need much. $50 on a $1000 phone is a drop in a bucket. It's mostly psychological - tradition. My 5S is still perfectly fine and will hold for another year I hope. May be on a grand scale it's doesn't matter but at least few of my friend decided not to upgrade on BF. Tradition goes both ways Apple
Don't worry. A software update from apple will fix your perfectly fine 5s and force you to update your hardware. It's the apple way, you know.
And people laugh when android users are on a old version.l
I personally do not like force touch. I would rather not have it. There is a learning curve, and even after learning it doesn't feel natural.
Some of the bugs related to the force touch were fixed in the last patch I think, but when I first bought my iPhone 6s plus, I was getting pissed at it multiple times a day.
At the same time, carriers are reducing the price of the service while promoting installment sales of the phones. It will likely slow down the replacement cycle, but perhaps not by much long term.
It applies to many countries around the world. If the US dollar picks up steam, this will substantially decrease the perceived value of most phones (that start their pricing in USD) reducing non-US sales volumes, which is where the vast majority of growth was happening.
Honestly I think most manufacturers probably see the same slow-down, cell phone (just like tablets) have hit a wall in terms of innovation, yet new models coming out at high speed month after month. 3D touch and the rose gold option are fine, they're just not game-changing improvements people will trip themselves for.
Hardcore Apple fans will get the 6S, normal users will likely wait for the 7 if they don't need a new device.
Hardcore Apple fans will get the 6S, normal users will likely wait for the 7 if they don't need a new device.
That's why Apple doesn't over build and conveniently let some of the sales move to the next quarter - imagine if they have fulfill every single order in September then what would they sale in march-June
Got the iPhone 6s Plus as an $99 upgrade on the AT&T service plan. I had the iPhone 6 Plus, has issues with the touch screen not responding, Apple wanted 150 to replace the touch screen, AT&T insurance want $99 to send me a new phone. So, I went with AT&T's insurance program, and then the new phone got to my house, it was a brand new, iPhone 6s Plus. I was not going to upgrade from the 6 Plus to the 6s Plus and right now, I am glad I didn't spend $949 for this new phone, because, to be honest, in my opinion, it's not worth it. I don't find the camera that much better, the front facing flash is more of an annoyance and 3D touch, I hardly use it. Faster processor, ok, and faster Touch Id...I have a problem with. The Notification center used to be a great tool to use, for me, on the lock screen. But now that the Touch ID is almost instant, Notifications are almost useless for me on the Lock Screen, because for the most part, I use the same finger to hit the home button wake up the screen to see the notification, but since Touch ID is so fast now, it just logs onto the phone, then I have to swipe down to bring up the notifications. Kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion.
Force Touch is worthless IMO. I've never used it. Maybe when apps (games) take advantage of it then I'll like it. Camera I don't use enough to notice a difference. Extra RAM is good for safari tabs. Faster CPU is only noticeable when opening games. Quicker TouchID is best feature IMO.
This is a disingenuous statement. Its not a fair statement to make and your post is demonstrating a lack of understanding about how even with a smaller battery (only ~5% smaller...) the 6s makes up for that difference and then some with more efficient parts and iOS 9's battery saver mode.
In my use between both phones when performing battery tests, (iOS 9 iPhone 6s vs iOS 8 iPhone 6) the battery life is almost identical with a few more mins of use going the 6s's way and with battery saver mode on (the CPU is down clocked and benchmarks similarly to the 6 with it on) I get about an extra 1 hour - 1.5 hours with regular use.
While having the latest may be a novelty, that statement holds truer for those who get a new phone every year. What if you were unable to purchase a 6 last year because you were still on contract? For someone who is purchasing or choosing to purchase a phone today, the 6s has its merits too especially with the internal spec increases among other feature upgrades.
Its a bigger upgrade over the 6, than the 6 was to the 5s.
edit - I don't mean to come off rude so I tried to reword the opening statements - my apologies in advance if it appears so, I am talking about your post and not you specifically
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Exactly... this is not the first time we've heard this and it was not true or didn't have an affect on sales before. My feeling is the iPhone is selling just fine and we'll know soon enough.
The debate over 6 vs 6s or saying the 6s was not enough is silly. It's just like other "s" versions before it. A refined version of the previous model. And like previous "s" models, I'm guessing Apple's going to sell a bunch of those too. The market for Apple is not iPhone 6/6 Plus customers, it's iPhone 5, 4, and Android customers they want to upgrade.
My only regret is I wish I had some spare investment funds to buy some more Apple Stock. I'm confident 2016 is going to be a stellar year for Apple.
Completely agree, also touch ID was so fast it made reading notifications impossible. Luckily 3D touch can be turned off making it again possible to tap links in Safari, unfortunately it wasn't possible to slow down touch ID. This botched S cycle will definitely make me think twice about upgrading again. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple switch to a major phone every 2 years instead.
Only upgraded was because of 2GB RAM which because of buggy software made things worse, with reboots nightly because it thought it was out of RAM when it wasn't, hoping it will be fixed at some point in the next year. The crazy thing is this was the major new feature of any benefit and wasn't even marketed I suppose because it didn't work properly yet.
Haven't the majority of upgrades always come from users 2 generations back? Why would most users care how much "better" the 6s is than the 6, if they already bought a 6 and are waiting for the 7? Me, I upgrade yearly because of the way I use my phone, and the 6s has noticeable performance benefits for me over the 6. But aren't we talking about iPhone 5s users as the primary customers?
What botched S cycle are you referring to? The 6s takes the award for being the most desireable release ever; as evidenced by the sales records shattered.
Apple won't switch to 2 year cycle, their rivals would trounce all over them.
It is fine to have that opinion, however some of those statements are inaccurate. Fair enough regarding design, and having criticism of Mr Ive (I can't argue with that)
but performance wise, its not accurate to suggest its marginal - the A9 chipset is a huge improvement to the A8 (which was a tiny improvement to the A7...people going form the 5s to the 6 solely for performance improvements were/are throwing away a lot of money, and most games/apps barely even pushed the A7 to this day let alone the A8). If you mean with day to day use in terms of opening the text message app, then yes - the A8 was already more than enough power needed for those kinds of tasks. But if you want to point at marginal performance improvements, point at the iPhone 6 or the iPhone 4 or the iPhone 3G over their predecessors - not the 6s.
As for battery, I have both phones (on different iOS though, mind you), and the 6s has marginally better batter life (marginally so but its similar despite being a meagre ~5% smaller in capacity)