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I know they'll charge extra for HD+ and not care that it'll put people off. It's already ridiculous enough as it is.

£9.99 for Tron on Blu-Ray, but £13.99 for the 720p version on iTunes, and they want to charge MORE for HD+? :S

Even if you don't own a br player, long term it's probably cheaper to get one than buy from Apple.
 
Being frugal is wrong? I have better things to spend my money on than disposable media.

Nothing wrong with being frugal. There is something wrong with making a habit out of downloading movies for free that cost a lot of money to make.
 
studios still don't get it. they wonder why people illegally download when they charge redic sums for downloads that costs them basically nothing once its uploaded or slap stupid piracy warnings all over discs. HELLO I PAID FOR THE DISC so leave me alone

The studios get it. While there are obviously a lot of people like you who can honestly say, "I paid for the disk, so leave me alone," there are other people who will eagerly steal their entertainment because they think that their amusements should be free, especially if the risk of getting caught is low.
 
Maybe you like to go to the theater--I don't.

Try sometimes. Bin laden is dead so there is that too.


I like to watch movies at home and there are many of us who love building our own HT to do just that.

Compared to the rest of the world i'd say it's not much and there is already plenty of hardware and software for you to play, so what's the big deal here?
 
...knowing Apple it will require an Apple TV 3. I mean they can not just let people's older hardware get a real upgrade now can they. They want you to drop another 100.

I don't believe the :apple:tv2 has the horsepower to output 1080p, so I agree it will likely be a new piece of hardware with the dual-core A5(?).

This sounds kind of like an experiment more than a concerted effort. If the :apple:tv3 only has a better CPU to handle 1080p (and the iPad 2+ just has a Retina Display), Apple could be using this to test the waters with the part of their market that wants 1080p and/or is an early adopter and willing to pay a premium for something with minimal new features.


The HD+ naming crap is well crap. 1080p is still HD. it is not HD+

It's just a marketing term. Apple has been using "HD" to identify 720p content so they need something else to identify 1080p content.

Apple doesn't need to market to us - we're already informed. Terms like "iPad 2 HD" and "HD+" are for their consumers who don't have our depth and breadth of knowledge.
 
Yes...Finally!

I am really happy that they are finally doing this...

But, I will still buy the majority on blu-ray, which leads me to... Where is the blu-ray support?

And what is going on with Final Cut Studio?
 
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but those who download dont buy the disc and therefore never see those anti piracy ads anyway while those of us who actually pay for it get punished. makes no sense at all. they should thank me for buying ^^
 
This is great news. It helps with the new, less expensive, AppleTV. This could really take off, but they need to step it up and compete. C'mon Apple, start competing with the internet connected media/content market. This is the future, it's got a great head start on Apple already though. If Apple works fast, they could change the industry as we know it. They wait too long, they may not stand a chance. I don't plan to support cable markets anymore, I haven't the past 5 years either. It really comes down to cost though. Some digital delivery systems out now are great, but still too expensive. 5 years or less, this should all be solved though. If it absolutely needs to be ad-supported as an option, if it is not too intrusive, it could work to keep costs down. C'mon though, who likes ads though?
 
lol i hope u r kidding ...

iTunes: 720p BS without any special features and crappy DRM

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Blu-Ray 1080p + special features, multiple languages and subtitles AND FREE digital copy for iTunes
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You answered the entire question, threw water on those burning with Kill-BR passion and showed what a wrong path Apple is on, all with two pngs!

Great work.
 
It's been done before you Apple. If I am "renting" the title for a one-time viewing, there is no advantage with Apple over VUDU 1080p. It works great, and is built into my Samsung Blu Ray player anyway. I rent on VUDU and buy on blu-ray - all on one box.

I personally only want to buy physical media if I am buying a movie. Take it in the car, loan it to friends, etc. Now, most blu-rays come with 3 discs, one blu, one DVD and one Digital. The $6 premium over owning a far inferior, over-compressed, digital HD download that is tied to your Apple TV is well worth it for me.
 
It's been done before you Apple. If I am "renting" the title for a one-time viewing, there is no advantage with Apple over VUDU 1080p. It works great, and is built into my Samsung Blu Ray player anyway. I rent on VUDU and buy on blu-ray - all on one box.

I personally only want to buy physical media if I am buying a movie. Take it in the car, loan it to friends, etc. Now, most blu-rays come with 3 discs, one blu, one DVD and one Digital. The $6 premium over owning a far inferior, over-compressed, digital HD download that is tied to your Apple TV is well worth it for me.

Exactly. If I buy a DVD or BR I've purchased the right to take it anywhere and watch it with friends. Plus I've got a commercially produced hard copy. Finally I can make a digital backup for personal use. It's Win Win Win.
 
That's gigantic, and with today's 150 to 250 GB per month cap limits, we could hit the download limit very quickly. :(

Here in the UK, most people have limits between 20-40GB.

My ISP is one of the largest in the UK, and I have 40GB. That's on a 20Gb line (though I only get 12Mb). It's VERY easy to hit the limit. Hit the limit 3 times in 6 moths, then they charge you an extra £5 a month. That's 25% extra.
 
How about they just do it, and not charge us more than the $4.99 they already do for movies. It's 2011 already! I still only get SD movies on my ATV for that price.
 
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jonnysods said:
How about they just do it, and not charge us more than the $4.99 they already do for movies. It's 2011 already! I still only get SD movies on my ATV for that price.

like i posted before 16,99€ for a HD movie while the same BD with more is only 12,99€ is totally insane and not justified
 
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lol @ "HD+"

More like at last we now have "HD-" an upgrade from "HD--" we had before.

Still a mile away from the 30/40Mbps that you get on BluRays

Let me know when bandwidth is so prevalent that such a hog that is Blu-Ray effortlessly becomes deployed on a nation-wide basis.

Blu-Ray will be surpassed by other formats long before Joe Six Pack has 40Mbps down.

I don't think so. And if you're looking for 40 Mbps then look no further http://brighthouse.com/corporate/shop/internet/road-runner-lightning
 
It's been done before you Apple. If I am "renting" the title for a one-time viewing, there is no advantage with Apple over VUDU 1080p. It works great, and is built into my Samsung Blu Ray player anyway. I rent on VUDU and buy on blu-ray - all on one box.

I personally only want to buy physical media if I am buying a movie. Take it in the car, loan it to friends, etc. Now, most blu-rays come with 3 discs, one blu, one DVD and one Digital. The $6 premium over owning a far inferior, over-compressed, digital HD download that is tied to your Apple TV is well worth it for me.
Exactly. This crap will go the way of the blockbuster rental chain. Who is sucker enough to fall for this?
 
You must enjoy speaking for other people. My 93" screen and 6.1 channel home-theater disagree with you. I don't want a disc format.
You have a 93" screen and 6.1 channel home theater and you prefer starved-bitrate 720p downloads to Blu-ray? Lol.

Me thinks someone is arguing for the sake of arguing... either that or you invested in HD-DVD in the beginning and are just butthurt about Blu-ray. :)
 
By the sound of every one in the thread seems like apple is playing catch up to ever single player out there. So far vudo seems to be the only one. I am all ears as to who else is doing it?
 
Why the aversion to disc formats?

Oh, I dunno. Slow boot-up. Annoying animated menu systems that delay me getting to the movie. Same for annoying FBI warnings and forced movie previews and little "NO" signs that say you cannot skip through them or get to the menu (let alone the flipping movie). I kind of have the same aversion to commercials on TV these days too. I thought being able to fast forward through them on a DVR was nice, but having NO commercials (off Net) is even nicer yet.

If anything, a 93 inch screen is begging for the highest bitrate, highest resolution format. And Blu-ray is undoubtably that (unless you've got access to 880Mbit/s 4:4:4 HDCAM version of movies).

Well, two things. One is that I hear a lot of talk about high bit-rates and what not, but when I compare side-by-side snapshots of high versus what you seem to call "low", I don't see all these supposed visible artifacts people think are there. In fact, ATV rentals are extremely clean looking for such horrible bit-rates. It could just be that BD is overkill on the compression. That's fine if you have the room to spare (like on a disc), but not necessary on a hard drive if you can't tell the difference at 1/2 or even 1/4 the file size. But that's the thing. If you compress them yourself, you can use as little compression as you desire or your system can handle. I STILL want them on a hard drive server so I don't have to put up with the annoying crap mentioned earlier. Really, until you TRY that kind of setup, you probably don't realize what you're missing. I can NEVER go back to a disc format. It's SO NICE to have ALL my digital media available on a menu system from photos to music to movies to TV shows. And I don't need racks and racks and racks of discs to wade through to find what I'm looking for. They're available at the push of a button and not just in one room. They're ALL available all around my house! And I can easily dump them on my iPod Touch as well! Yes, discs suck hard! ;)

So you're converting Blu-rays and movies in the name of convenience? That seems counterintuitive.

Don't' knock it until you try it.

I prefer Blu-Ray on my 92" screen/6.1 channel system. Of course, you beat me by an inch, so maybe you're right. :)

You can prefer anything you want. I was only speaking for myself and saying the above poster doesn't speak for everyone. To each their own.

You have a 93" screen and 6.1 channel home theater and you prefer starved-bitrate 720p downloads to Blu-ray? Lol.

Actually, my projector is 720P (1080p projectors cost over $5k a few years ago when I bought it; I've never had any guest complain about the picture quality yet; I really think I'd need a bigger screen before I would feel 1080p is "necessary", but when I buy the next projector, it will probably be 1080p...then again it might just be a 3D projector, most of which are 720p right now). And who says the movies are bit-rate "starved"? :rolleyes:

You sound like someone who believes in propaganda more than reality. There are ways to encode BD at high bit-rates and still put them on a playback server. Apple may not currently offer 1080p output playback (it can still play back 1080p files, though), but others do (like my old 1st Gen ATV with a crystal card added for $30) and then the same files output in 1080p. I know that's hard to digest, though. Have fun sitting through ads, menus, FBI warnings, slow boots and that's after you locate the disc you want (I know; I used to have racks and racks of discs to browse through; now I browse a menu and press play).
 
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What competition? Amazon has very few instant videos in HD and they are not 1080p, Google? Really you think they are stream movies in 1080p? I can't find anything other then SD on Youtube/movies (I checked all 6 movies Amazon has in HD and Youtube only offers them in "480".)

So, tell me, what competition are they catching up to?

Sony offers Full HD 1080p Movies to Stream on their Playstation Store. Microsoft offers full 1080p Movies on their Zune Store. Available on PC & Xbox. Both of these have done for a while now, so yes Apple is playing catchup in the HD Market.
 
Well, two things. One is that I hear a lot of talk about high bit-rates and what not, but when I compare side-by-side snapshots of high versus what you seem to call "low", I don't see all these supposed visible artifacts people think are there. In fact, ATV rentals are extremely clean looking for such horrible bit-rates. It could just be that BD is overkill on the compression. That's fine if you have the room to spare (like on a disc), but not necessary on a hard drive if you can't tell the difference at 1/2 or even 1/4 the file size. But that's the thing. If you compress them yourself, you can use as little compression as you desire or your system can handle.

And I don't need racks and racks and racks of discs to wade through to find what I'm looking for. They're available at the push of a button and not just in one room. They're ALL available all around my house! And I can easily dump them on my iPod Touch as well! Yes, discs suck hard! ;)

Comparing snapshots is essentially useless. Video compression is based on motion from frame to frame.

And Blu-ray isn't overkill. In fact, in some scenes with heavy motion (i.e., rainfall in movies like Sin City), I've seen hints of macroblocking.

I've done enough Final Cut and Compressor experimentation to know that higher bitrates are essential to natural looking video. Blu-ray isn't perfect--AVC and VC-1 codecs only go so far--but it's the closest thing to the theatrical experience.

I've seen Apple HD rentals. They are most certainly not "clean looking." They're adequate for 24 inch monitors and 42 inch TVs, but can't look good beyond that size.

And I don't know about you, but I'm not fumbling through my DVD/Blu-ray collection. It's easy to find what I want (that's why they have labels on the spine). And my PS3 boots up discs in around 10-20 seconds.

Sounds to me like your simply impatient. Like the complainers on Amazon's review page for the Lord of the Rings Extended Blu-ray: "I hate that they put the films on 2 discs each!"
 
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