and what have YOU done to change that?Do you understand that they moved most of the jobs out and killed the economy?!!! Do you no that china is a communist nation that the U.S built?! Do you know that china declares itself as the enemy?!!!
and what have YOU done to change that?Do you understand that they moved most of the jobs out and killed the economy?!!! Do you no that china is a communist nation that the U.S built?! Do you know that china declares itself as the enemy?!!!
If we want to grow as a great global corporation we will have to do that. No tech company including apple can ignore ChinaDo you understand that they moved most of the jobs out and killed the economy?!!! Do you no that china is a communist nation that the U.S built?! Do you know that china declares itself as the enemy?!!!
Windows supports variety of hardware compared to OSX. Let OSX support hardware like windows you will understand the reality. Bugs are part and parcel of software development life cycle.
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Cultural is a very big word my friend and you cannot associate something bad done by few people to the whole country. Can we say deception and fraud is a cultural thing of humans?
It's the sub-par tech company who turns to India for much cheaper labor to do non-critical programming or testing jobs. Trust me most tech companies just prefer cheaper programmer than anything else...
Not only have I never been to India, I have never been to any country, in which I have met enough people to make a generalisation about the whole population. Even less so that they have a criminal culture!The deception and fraud is a cultural thing.
After having lived and worked in the Middle East and worked with and supervised many Indians, I can easily back up my statement.
Fraud and deception being so rampant for educated workers coming from India, the UEA had to put in place a procedure to receive documents and licenses directly from the certifying body/agency/university rather than through the individual.
Lots of bullmess BS degrees floating around in that part of the world.
I have been to India several times due to work....have you?
Before calling others stupid, perhaps you should find a dictionary and acquaint yourself with the definition of "racism". The word is thrown around and misused typically by people who have no real interest in debating ideas.... and the Negativity Brigade is in full swing, with the usual amount of nonsense and latent racism.
You are not even remotely funny nor entertaining, just plain stupid.
Sorry Apple employees, but look at the numbers. 4000 people? Do you really think it takes 4000 people to write an application? It's time to bail out, if you have an ounce of sense. Those 4000 people are being hired to replace you.
The last time interconnects like that were attempted seventy years ago, global conflict broke out with 3% of the world population killed off. Would not be surprised to see this happen again in the next decade or so.No country can ignore globalism now. If you think globalism cannot strengthen the country you are wrong. With out globalism US will suffer a lot.
Apple is now, officially, a dying company. I give it 10 years. Wall Street has taken over.
Sorry Apple employees, but look at the numbers. 4000 people? Do you really think it takes 4000 people to write an application? It's time to bail out, if you have an ounce of sense. Those 4000 people are being hired to replace you.
When Wall Street takes over a company, essentially the psychopaths have taken over. Wall Street declared war on the American people back in the vicinity of 1998-2001 via outsourcing and H1-B "insourcing." The nature of "money psychopaths" is very similar to Catholic priest pedophiles.
Many people wonder, "What is it about religion, or Catholicism in particular, that makes so many priests pedophiles?" It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with psychopathic obsession.
The Catholic church provides (or at least used to) the ultimate cover for a pedophile. Who would ever believe a priest was raping young boys or girls? Who would ever believe a man of God would commit such crimes? No one. Hence the perfect cover. Psychopathic pedophiles are so obsessed with their obsession that they go out of their way to become priests simply because this is (or at least was) a prime opportunity to commit their crimes.
The war on the American People by Wall Street is not dictated by cost, logic, quality, or reason, it's dictated by greed. Pure unbridled, unethical greed. A "money psychopath" is an individual that is so obsessed with collecting money that they will do anything to anybody anywhere on Earth to get more, and more, and more, and more....and it never ends. Like the pedophile priest, they only stop when they've been caught. Jobs must be outsourced to optimize profits. CEOs must respond to their demands or be replaced.
Here is my prediction of what will happen at Apple now that Wall Street is controlling the company:
The signs of this are already apparent. A perfect example of this is Tim Cook's marketing stunt to "protect all his users from all those obtrusive, spying, evil entity governments that want back doors into an iPhone" so they could possibly find out more about the murders in San Bernadino by terrorists. I suspect the instructions for this antic came from Wall Street, who simply saw it as a marketing and sales tactic. Like a good, top notch performing seal, Tim obliged. But wait....it turns out the FBI could find someone that could crack the phone without Apple's help. End result: The FBI indirectly makes it OBVIOUS that the particular "secure" iPhone could be hacked. The marketing scheme has backfired. Apple announces that the ONLY phone that could be cracked was the type the FBI tested, but conveniently fails to acknowledge that the FBI didn't bother testing any other phones. This of course begs the question, "just exactly how secure are these things, especially since Apple Pay is now a 'secure' payment option?"
- Fake Layoffs to justify outsourcing: Whenever a company announces that it's laying off workers, the price of the stock goes up because all the idiots on Wall Street will see this as a "sign of efficiency." The reality is that large monied investors are leveraging their bets that they can rake in HUGE amounts of money just by doing this and purchasing large quantities of stock prior to the often massive layoff announcements. They'll line their pockets with money. Meanwhile, people with skills and talent will become demoralized and start quitting. I should add, the layoffs are frequently not even remotely justified.
- The company uses third rate outsourced talent to replace those that leave. The idea here, of course, is to keep providing products. Wall Street could care less what the quality is, only the cost. How much more can they rake out of this harpooned whale before it finally dies?
- The company starts collapsing. This is the natural effect of "Greed gone wild." Poor quality, less than extraordinary people, bottom line management. This is the natural "Wall Street progression" of business. The idea isn't to make a lasting company, the idea is to grab as much blubber from that harpooned whale before it sinks to the bottom of the sea.
- The company is split into pieces. The final last gasp of Wall Street will be to sell off what they've just destroyed to the highest bidder. After this, the case is now closed. For all practical purposes, the company has been killed after being raped to death.
The writing is on the wall. Apple fired or forced out several of their key personnel after Steve Jobs died. OS X versions are coming out that are so buggy they're only functional AFTER a yet another new release comes out. The head of design seem to think a computer is a fashion statement that will look good when Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian appear with it as a fashion accessory on the cover of the National Enquirer. Tim Cook announces, essentially, that no one in their right mind would use a computer if they could use an iPad (which has had a huge sales drop since the "new, stylish" iOS 7 was released) apparently because he doesn't know or understand what many people use computers for any longer.
The party is over, guys. This company is a lost cause. First, crappy illogical products, and now massive outsourcing is in the wings. Wall Street couldn't pull this type of crap with Steve Jobs because this company was his "baby" and he loved it. I'm afraid the new leadership is psychopathic Wall Street based money grabbers and their pigeons, Tim Cook and Jony Ive. The goal here is simple: Tie that b*tch named Apple down and line up for the gang rape.
Not only have I never been to India, I have never been to any country, in which I have met enough people to make a generalisation about the whole population. Even less so that they have a criminal culture!
I'd imagine that they are being hired to sort out the data rather than do much in the way of programming.
However I would much prefer it if they spread the work on the data across the world, to get it right for each country.
[QUOTE="swingerofbirch, post: 22915272, member: 23210]Google Now and Google Maps are so far ahead of Apple. I use a feature on maps.google.com where I give it a date and time I need to be at a location and it tells me when I'll need to leave the house by based on historical traffic. It's really amazing.
Apple has no chance in the map game and their approach to it (better user experience, integration into the OS) was naive to say the least. Geo services need data beyond the base map and it's Google who has this, not Apple.
Actually is navteq that has most of this stuff, google integrates it very well with their street view.
Not on the level I have experienced it.
If you spend several years working outside of the country (US), you will see the un-pleasant truths about certain cultures.
Rather than tipping toeing around the issue or being PC about, I try to warn others for what they are in-store for.
Once you get outside of your cubicle, you might actually learn a few things about life.
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Truth...
You are expecting that to happen again? That is cruel. I am sure countries have advanced over the years and are not fools any more.The last time interconnects like that were attempted seventy years ago, global conflict broke out with 3% of the world population killed off. Would not be surprised to see this happen again in the next decade or so.
If we believe anything developed outside United States is inferior then we are fools. There are lot of great products built by lot of other countries including India. Do you know Indian space center launches satellites of different countries at a fraction of cost of making a Hollywood movie? US has spent $671 million for Mars mission do you know India was able to achieve it that a fraction of cost $73 million and India's mission is as successful as US at a fraction of cost. The so called third world countries are doing wonders and their solutions are cheaper,effective and successful. Many developed countries have started to outsource their satellite launches to India and there is 100% success. The ground reality is far different than what guys are thinking in this forum. We need to update ourselves guys.Apple is now, officially, a dying company. I give it 10 years. Wall Street has taken over.
Sorry Apple employees, but look at the numbers. 4000 people? Do you really think it takes 4000 people to write an application? It's time to bail out, if you have an ounce of sense. Those 4000 people are being hired to replace you.
When Wall Street takes over a company, essentially the psychopaths have taken over. Wall Street declared war on the American people back in the vicinity of 1998-2001 via outsourcing and H1-B "insourcing." The nature of "money psychopaths" is very similar to Catholic priest pedophiles.
Many people wonder, "What is it about religion, or Catholicism in particular, that makes so many priests pedophiles?" It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with psychopathic obsession.
The Catholic church provides (or at least used to) the ultimate cover for a pedophile. Who would ever believe a priest was raping young boys or girls? Who would ever believe a man of God would commit such crimes? No one. Hence the perfect cover. Psychopathic pedophiles are so obsessed with their obsession that they go out of their way to become priests simply because this is (or at least was) a prime opportunity to commit their crimes.
The war on the American People by Wall Street is not dictated by cost, logic, quality, or reason, it's dictated by greed. Pure unbridled, unethical greed. A "money psychopath" is an individual that is so obsessed with collecting money that they will do anything to anybody anywhere on Earth to get more, and more, and more, and more....and it never ends. Like the pedophile priest, they only stop when they've been caught. Jobs must be outsourced to optimize profits. CEOs must respond to their demands or be replaced.
Here is my prediction of what will happen at Apple now that Wall Street is controlling the company:
The signs of this are already apparent. A perfect example of this is Tim Cook's marketing stunt to "protect all his users from all those obtrusive, spying, evil entity governments that want back doors into an iPhone" so they could possibly find out more about the murders in San Bernadino by terrorists. I suspect the instructions for this antic came from Wall Street, who simply saw it as a marketing and sales tactic. Like a good, top notch performing seal, Tim obliged. But wait....it turns out the FBI could find someone that could crack the phone without Apple's help. End result: The FBI indirectly makes it OBVIOUS that the particular "secure" iPhone could be hacked. The marketing scheme has backfired. Apple announces that the ONLY phone that could be cracked was the type the FBI tested, but conveniently fails to acknowledge that the FBI didn't bother testing any other phones. This of course begs the question, "just exactly how secure are these things, especially since Apple Pay is now a 'secure' payment option?"
- Fake Layoffs to justify outsourcing: Whenever a company announces that it's laying off workers, the price of the stock goes up because all the idiots on Wall Street will see this as a "sign of efficiency." The reality is that large monied investors are leveraging their bets that they can rake in HUGE amounts of money just by doing this and purchasing large quantities of stock prior to the often massive layoff announcements. They'll line their pockets with money. Meanwhile, people with skills and talent will become demoralized and start quitting. I should add, the layoffs are frequently not even remotely justified.
- The company uses third rate outsourced talent to replace those that leave. The idea here, of course, is to keep providing products. Wall Street could care less what the quality is, only the cost. How much more can they rake out of this harpooned whale before it finally dies?
- The company starts collapsing. This is the natural effect of "Greed gone wild." Poor quality, less than extraordinary people, bottom line management. This is the natural "Wall Street progression" of business. The idea isn't to make a lasting company, the idea is to grab as much blubber from that harpooned whale before it sinks to the bottom of the sea.
- The company is split into pieces. The final last gasp of Wall Street will be to sell off what they've just destroyed to the highest bidder. After this, the case is now closed. For all practical purposes, the company has been killed after being raped to death.
The writing is on the wall. Apple fired or forced out several of their key personnel after Steve Jobs died. OS X versions are coming out that are so buggy they're only functional AFTER a yet another new release comes out. The head of design seem to think a computer is a fashion statement that will look good when Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian appear with it as a fashion accessory on the cover of the National Enquirer. Tim Cook announces, essentially, that no one in their right mind would use a computer if they could use an iPad (which has had a huge sales drop since the "new, stylish" iOS 7 was released) apparently because he doesn't know or understand what many people use computers for any longer.
The party is over, guys. This company is a lost cause. First, crappy illogical products, and now massive outsourcing is in the wings. Wall Street couldn't pull this type of crap with Steve Jobs because this company was his "baby" and he loved it. I'm afraid the new leadership is psychopathic Wall Street based money grabbers and their pigeons, Tim Cook and Jony Ive. The goal here is simple: Tie that b*tch named Apple down and line up for the gang rape.
Development center is different from data entry center Apple has opened development center. Initially IOS development was limited to US it has caught up in Asian countries. They have good developers competition between the students in those populous countries gets best out of them. We should develop skills required to hire the good engineer.I'd imagine that they are being hired to sort out the data rather than do much in the way of programming. As you say, very few apps need that many coders.
In some ways I am actually glad that they have decided to hire non-Americans to sort out the data. The reason that Apple Maps was initially so poor for those of us outside the US was because it was written purely in the US, with little consideration to other countries. Things have improved since, but they are still behind Google Maps.
However I would much prefer it if they spread the work on the data across the world, to get it right for each country. By doing everything in India they are just shifting the problem from one country to another. I'm sure that the maps in India will improve, but Apple Maps will probably continue to lag behind Google for the rest of world.
I have worked with people all over the world dude. I know how to work and get the work done. It is easy to blame others. We should know how to identify the best talent to work with we should acknowledge our own inabilities before pointing at others. It is very convenient to ignore our inabilities and blame others. Most of the Indians in Dubai are low skilled labor looks like poverty is the issue that is driving them in the way you are thinking I agree that can lead to unethical behavior but hunger is very powerful. Struggle for existence dude.
If we believe anything developed outside United States is inferior then we are fools.
There are lot of great products built by lot of other countries including India.
Do you know Indian space center launches satellites of different countries at a fraction of cost of making a Hollywood movie? US has spent $671 million for Mars mission do you know India was able to achieve it that a fraction of cost $73 million and India's mission is as successful as US at a fraction of cost.
My friends family is from Adibatla, India. They work for Tata aerospace. The buzz there for months is that Apples worldwide call center will also be located in Hyderabad.I don't think anyone is saying that.
Okay, I'll bite. Name one great consumer product created in India (not just built in a factory there) and sold around the world. Besides the Kama Sutra
Getting their first probe safely to Mars was indeed an impressive feat.
However, the cost was less not only because India had far lower worker costs (and did very little ground testing), but because there's simply no comparison in the payload that was sent. NASA's was orders of magnitude larger and more complicated. For $671m NASA sent a 5,400 pound satellite packed with instruments. For $73m India sent a far simpler device that weighed only 33 pounds.
NASA's MAVE was only ten times the cost of the India mission, but more than 160 times heavier and much more sophisticated. Using a cost per pound comparison, India's mission cost $2m per pound, whereas NASA's was 1/16 as much.
I don't think anyone is saying that.
Okay, I'll bite. Name one great consumer product created in India (not just built in a factory there) and sold around the world. Besides the Kama Sutra
Getting their first probe safely to Mars was indeed an impressive feat.
However, the cost was less not only because India had far lower worker costs (and did very little ground testing), but because there's simply no comparison in the payload that was sent. NASA's was orders of magnitude larger and more complicated. For $671m NASA sent a 5,400 pound satellite packed with instruments. For $73m India sent a far simpler device that weighed only 33 pounds.
NASA's MAVE was only ten times the cost of the India mission, but more than 160 times heavier and much more sophisticated. Using a cost per pound comparison, India's mission cost $2m per pound, whereas NASA's was 1/16 as much.
Might be I don't know as much as you know. I did not find any problem till date I am able to choose right people and they all are good and honest. I am just sharing my experience. But I see anger and hatred towards them in your words humans needs to be loved is what I believe. We cannot ask apple to stop doing business with rest of the world to employ Americans. Hope Apple finds good talent and chooses right people whereever it wants to setup its shop. We cannot ask Apple to loose business of 2.6 billion people.I am not trying to blame anyone. I am telling you of what the reality is and it is now obvious that you do not have the life experience to understand what I am trying to tell you. In other words, I have been there and done that while you he merely watched it on TV.
I always get a good laugh when people tell the way it should work as to the way it actually works.
The Indians I worked with were supposedly the more educated class, all the while it did not stop the underlying fraud and misrepresentation of their technical skill and knowledge. FACT.
There are more cities in the UAE than just Dubai and I did not live in Dubai.
One thing I did learn from living there was, Indians do not know how to say "I don't know". They would rather send you on a wild goose chase because they cannot admit they might not know something and get you someone than correct your problem/issue.
Are you saying that it unethical behavior is OK because competition is stiff??!!
There is an eighty year cycle of a global conflict with two distinct sides. One side who's grandparents won the last conflict whom keep control by reducing liberty via some form of socialism and state controlled markets. The other side are the new money making their fortune via new technology and philosophies that represent a loss of power and control to the old money.You are expecting that to happen again? That is cruel. I am sure countries have advanced over the years and are not fools any more.
There are more cities in the UAE than just Dubai and I did not live in Dubai.
One thing I did learn from living there was, Indians do not know how to say "I don't know". They would rather send you on a wild goose chase because they cannot admit they might not know something and get you someone than correct your problem/issue.
Are you saying that it unethical behavior is OK because competition is stiff??!!
Most of the products we use today are build or designed by Indians or Chinese. Microsoft, Apple, Google and many giant tech corporations hire their engineers from China or India and they do involve in designing the products.
NASA is light years ahead and you cannot compare it with India's ...
NASA Mars mission started in 1964 where launch of Mariner 3 is failure and finally NASA succeeded with Mariner 4.
0 is the product of India, Yoga is the product of India just google you will find more.
The engineers and designers who have made it to the US are generally pretty good.
As for offshore design, it's my experience that it ends up having to be fixed onshore more often than not. As I said, my best friends are Indians who are now US citizens, and even they can't stand fixing offshore development mess.
Which is why you should not have done so. You were claiming that India "does it cheaper" than NASA, without qualifying such a claim with with the fact that the activities you compared were not of equal stature.
Also, one cannot compare a launch to Mars fifty years ago when designs were done with slide rules, with a launch done with today's microprocessors and advanced everything else, including well known space navigation.
You were claiming that India builds many great products desired around the world. Those are ancient concepts, not current consumer products. Or perhaps you just use the wrong word?
Mess Indeed!Oh my god this is hysterical, it all makes sense now. They're actually dumping their mess there.