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Apple to Hire 4,000 Employees in Hyderabad, India to Work on Maps Development
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If we want to grow as a great global corporation we will have to do that. No tech company including apple can ignore China
Not on the level I have experienced it.
If you spend several years working outside of the country (US), you will see the un-pleasant truths about certain cultures.
Rather than tipping toeing around the issue or being PC about, I try to warn others for what they are in-store for.
Once you get outside of your cubicle, you might actually learn a few things about life.
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Truth...
Not only have I never been to India, I have never been to any country, in which I have met enough people to make a generalisation about the whole population. Even less so that they have a criminal culture!
Imagine the generalisations that could be made of the people in your country and how 'out of whack' they would be with the real people you know.
I dread to think of the opinions the international community have of the UK. However the reality is that, in the main, we all love our friends and families, strive to have a purpose, and take pride in fulfilling our purpose. I doubt very much that my Indian counterpart is much different.
Apple is now, officially, a dying company. I give it 10 years. Wall Street has taken over.
Sorry Apple employees, but look at the numbers. 4000 people? Do you really think it takes 4000 people to write an application? It's time to bail out, if you have an ounce of sense. Those 4000 people are being hired to replace you.
When Wall Street takes over a company, essentially the psychopaths have taken over. Wall Street declared war on the American people back in the vicinity of 1998-2001 via outsourcing and H1-B "insourcing." The nature of "money psychopaths" is very similar to Catholic priest pedophiles.
Many people wonder, "What is it about religion, or Catholicism in particular, that makes so many priests pedophiles?" It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with psychopathic obsession.
The Catholic church provides (or at least used to) the ultimate cover for a pedophile. Who would ever believe a priest was raping young boys or girls? Who would ever believe a man of God would commit such crimes? No one. Hence the perfect cover. Psychopathic pedophiles are so obsessed with their obsession that they go out of their way to become priests simply because this is (or at least was) a prime opportunity to commit their crimes.
The war on the American People by Wall Street is not dictated by cost, logic, quality, or reason, it's dictated by greed. Pure unbridled, unethical greed. A "money psychopath" is an individual that is so obsessed with collecting money that they will do anything to anybody anywhere on Earth to get more, and more, and more, and more....and it never ends. Like the pedophile priest, they only stop when they've been caught. Jobs must be outsourced to optimize profits. CEOs must respond to their demands or be replaced.
Here is my prediction of what will happen at Apple now that Wall Street is controlling the company:
The writing is on the wall. Apple fired or forced out several of their key personnel after Steve Jobs died. OS X versions are coming out that are so buggy they're only functional AFTER a yet another new release comes out. The head of design seem to think a computer is a fashion statement that will look good when Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian appear with it as a fashion accessory on the cover of the National Enquirer. Tim Cook announces, essentially, that no one in their right mind would use a computer if they could use an iPad (which has had a huge sales drop since the "new, stylish" iOS 7 was released) apparently because he doesn't know or understand what many people use computers for any longer.
The party is over, guys. This company is a lost cause. First, crappy illogical products, and now massive outsourcing is in the wings. Wall Street couldn't pull this type of crap with Steve Jobs because this company was his "baby" and he loved it. I'm afraid the new leadership is psychopathic Wall Street based money grabbers and their pigeons, Tim Cook and Jony Ive. The goal here is simple: Tie that b*tch named Apple down and line up for the gang rape.
Sorry Apple employees, but look at the numbers. 4000 people? Do you really think it takes 4000 people to write an application? It's time to bail out, if you have an ounce of sense. Those 4000 people are being hired to replace you.
When Wall Street takes over a company, essentially the psychopaths have taken over. Wall Street declared war on the American people back in the vicinity of 1998-2001 via outsourcing and H1-B "insourcing." The nature of "money psychopaths" is very similar to Catholic priest pedophiles.
Many people wonder, "What is it about religion, or Catholicism in particular, that makes so many priests pedophiles?" It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with psychopathic obsession.
The Catholic church provides (or at least used to) the ultimate cover for a pedophile. Who would ever believe a priest was raping young boys or girls? Who would ever believe a man of God would commit such crimes? No one. Hence the perfect cover. Psychopathic pedophiles are so obsessed with their obsession that they go out of their way to become priests simply because this is (or at least was) a prime opportunity to commit their crimes.
The war on the American People by Wall Street is not dictated by cost, logic, quality, or reason, it's dictated by greed. Pure unbridled, unethical greed. A "money psychopath" is an individual that is so obsessed with collecting money that they will do anything to anybody anywhere on Earth to get more, and more, and more, and more....and it never ends. Like the pedophile priest, they only stop when they've been caught. Jobs must be outsourced to optimize profits. CEOs must respond to their demands or be replaced.
Here is my prediction of what will happen at Apple now that Wall Street is controlling the company:
- Fake Layoffs to justify outsourcing: Whenever a company announces that it's laying off workers, the price of the stock goes up because all the idiots on Wall Street will see this as a "sign of efficiency." The reality is that large monied investors are leveraging their bets that they can rake in HUGE amounts of money just by doing this and purchasing large quantities of stock prior to the often massive layoff announcements. They'll line their pockets with money. Meanwhile, people with skills and talent will become demoralized and start quitting. I should add, the layoffs are frequently not even remotely justified.
- The company uses third rate outsourced talent to replace those that leave. The idea here, of course, is to keep providing products. Wall Street could care less what the quality is, only the cost. How much more can they rake out of this harpooned whale before it finally dies?
- The company starts collapsing. This is the natural effect of "Greed gone wild." Poor quality, less than extraordinary people, bottom line management. This is the natural "Wall Street progression" of business. The idea isn't to make a lasting company, the idea is to grab as much blubber from that harpooned whale before it sinks to the bottom of the sea.
- The company is split into pieces. The final last gasp of Wall Street will be to sell off what they've just destroyed to the highest bidder. After this, the case is now closed. For all practical purposes, the company has been killed after being raped to death.
The writing is on the wall. Apple fired or forced out several of their key personnel after Steve Jobs died. OS X versions are coming out that are so buggy they're only functional AFTER a yet another new release comes out. The head of design seem to think a computer is a fashion statement that will look good when Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian appear with it as a fashion accessory on the cover of the National Enquirer. Tim Cook announces, essentially, that no one in their right mind would use a computer if they could use an iPad (which has had a huge sales drop since the "new, stylish" iOS 7 was released) apparently because he doesn't know or understand what many people use computers for any longer.
The party is over, guys. This company is a lost cause. First, crappy illogical products, and now massive outsourcing is in the wings. Wall Street couldn't pull this type of crap with Steve Jobs because this company was his "baby" and he loved it. I'm afraid the new leadership is psychopathic Wall Street based money grabbers and their pigeons, Tim Cook and Jony Ive. The goal here is simple: Tie that b*tch named Apple down and line up for the gang rape.
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Before calling others stupid, perhaps you should find a dictionary and acquaint yourself with the definition of "racism". The word is thrown around and misused typically by people who have no real interest in debating ideas.
I'd imagine that they are being hired to sort out the data rather than do much in the way of programming. As you say, very few apps need that many coders.
In some ways I am actually glad that they have decided to hire non-Americans to sort out the data. The reason that Apple Maps was initially so poor for those of us outside the US was because it was written purely in the US, with little consideration to other countries. Things have improved since, but they are still behind Google Maps.
However I would much prefer it if they spread the work on the data across the world, to get it right for each country. By doing everything in India they are just shifting the problem from one country to another. I'm sure that the maps in India will improve, but Apple Maps will probably continue to lag behind Google for the rest of world.
The last time interconnects like that were attempted seventy years ago, global conflict broke out with 3% of the world population killed off. Would not be surprised to see this happen again in the next decade or so.
You have a good heart, but clearly no experience.
My best developer friends came from India to the US. A main reason they did was to get away from all the corruption, and from fellow students who cheated on their tests. Both situations are common as dirt in India.
It's just the way it is. With so many people vying for jobs, bribery and influence takes precedence over actual ability.
Yes, I also think this group will be mostly about entering data.
Also a good idea. Using a single group of people who very likely have never traveled anywhere, and have little or no experience in the subtle differences between street layouts and naming in various countries, will just lead to more mistakes unless very closely supervised.
Apple has no chance in the map game and their approach to it (better user experience, integration into the OS) was naive to say the least. Geo services need data beyond the base map and it's Google who has this, not Apple. Heck, they're not even able to get the maps themselves right, not to mention businesses, hospitals and other POIs. Their integration of dynamic data (real time traffic, public transport etc.) is virtually non-existent except for a few selected locations, while Google has the will and the resources to cover much more.
Their move to India is understandable - servicing maps is labour intensive and labour is cheap there. Let's hope that they only transfer low-end jobs to India and keep their core competencies in the states.[/QUOTE]
Actually is naviteq that has most of this stuff, google integrates it very well with their street view.
Excellent point. Getting a map right takes a huge amount of effort from both automatic and manual corrections.
Google, for example, visually parses its Street View data to recognize business signs (e.g. Burger King) and re-map those locations to the correct spot. And their manual map operators use those views to mark which ways you can turn at an intersection.
They've also put in millions of miles of lane change information, and manually enter trails they can see from overhead or personally know about.
A good read on their methods is in this Atlantic article, taking a small area and enhancing it. Interestingly, the article speculates that many Google Map fixes are done in Bangalore.
Good memory, but that was a while back
Google stopped using NavTeq over seven years ago, after Nokia bought them.
Google also stopped using TeleAtlas for the US years ago, because Google's own data was far superior.
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I have worked with people all over the world dude. I know how to work and get the work done. It is easy to blame others. We should know how to identify the best talent to work with we should acknowledge our own inabilities before pointing at others. It is very convenient to ignore our inabilities and blame others. Most of the Indians in Dubai are low skilled labor looks like poverty is the issue that is driving them in the way you are thinking I agree that can lead to unethical behavior but hunger is very powerful. Struggle for existence dude.
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You are expecting that to happen again? That is cruel. I am sure countries have advanced over the years and are not fools any more.
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If we believe anything developed outside United States is inferior then we are fools. There are lot of great products built by lot of other countries including India. Do you know Indian space center launches satellites of different countries at a fraction of cost of making a Hollywood movie? US has spent $671 million for Mars mission do you know India was able to achieve it that a fraction of cost $73 million and India's mission is as successful as US at a fraction of cost. The so called third world countries are doing wonders and their solutions are cheaper,effective and successful. Many developed countries have started to outsource their satellite launches to India and there is 100% success. The ground reality is far different than what guys are thinking in this forum. We need to update ourselves guys.
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Development center is different from data entry center Apple has opened development center. Initially IOS development was limited to US it has caught up in Asian countries. They have good developers competition between the students in those populous countries gets best out of them. We should develop skills required to hire the good engineer.
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Just another American company taking away jobs needed in the USA. Tim Cook, I'm not a fan of yours.
I am not trying to blame anyone. I am telling you of what the reality is and it is now obvious that you do not have the life experience to understand what I am trying to tell you. In other words, I have been there and done that while you he merely watched it on TV.
I always get a good laugh when people tell the way it should work as to the way it actually works.
The Indians I worked with were supposedly the more educated class, all the while it did not stop the underlying fraud and misrepresentation of their technical skill and knowledge. FACT.
There are more cities in the UAE than just Dubai and I did not live in Dubai.
One thing I did learn from living there was, Indians do not know how to say "I don't know". They would rather send you on a wild goose chase because they cannot admit they might not know something and get you someone than correct your problem/issue.
Are you saying that it unethical behavior is OK because competition is stiff??!!
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I don't think anyone is saying that.
Okay, I'll bite. Name one great consumer product created in India (not just built in a factory there) and sold around the world. Besides the Kama Sutra
Getting their first probe safely to Mars was indeed an impressive feat.
However, the cost was less not only because India had far lower worker costs (and did very little ground testing), but because there's simply no comparison in the payload that was sent. NASA's was orders of magnitude larger and more complicated. For $671m NASA sent a 5,400 pound satellite packed with instruments. For $73m India sent a far simpler device that weighed only 33 pounds.
NASA's MAVE was only ten times the cost of the India mission, but more than 160 times heavier and much more sophisticated. Using a cost per pound comparison, India's mission cost $2m per pound, whereas NASA's was 1/16 as much.
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My friends family is from Adibatla, India. They work for Tata aerospace. The buzz there for months is that Apples worldwide call center will also be located in Hyderabad.I don't think anyone is saying that.
Okay, I'll bite. Name one great consumer product created in India (not just built in a factory there) and sold around the world. Besides the Kama Sutra
Getting their first probe safely to Mars was indeed an impressive feat.
However, the cost was less not only because India had far lower worker costs (and did very little ground testing), but because there's simply no comparison in the payload that was sent. NASA's was orders of magnitude larger and more complicated. For $671m NASA sent a 5,400 pound satellite packed with instruments. For $73m India sent a far simpler device that weighed only 33 pounds.
NASA's MAVE was only ten times the cost of the India mission, but more than 160 times heavier and much more sophisticated. Using a cost per pound comparison, India's mission cost $2m per pound, whereas NASA's was 1/16 as much.
I don't think anyone is saying that.
Okay, I'll bite. Name one great consumer product created in India (not just built in a factory there) and sold around the world. Besides the Kama Sutra
Getting their first probe safely to Mars was indeed an impressive feat.
However, the cost was less not only because India had far lower worker costs (and did very little ground testing), but because there's simply no comparison in the payload that was sent. NASA's was orders of magnitude larger and more complicated. For $671m NASA sent a 5,400 pound satellite packed with instruments. For $73m India sent a far simpler device that weighed only 33 pounds.
NASA's MAVE was only ten times the cost of the India mission, but more than 160 times heavier and much more sophisticated. Using a cost per pound comparison, India's mission cost $2m per pound, whereas NASA's was 1/16 as much.
Most of the products we use today are build or designed by Indians or Chinese. Microsoft, Apple, Google and many giant tech corporations hire their engineers from China or India and they do involve in designing the products. Designing of products do happen in outsourced locations as well. Do you think product design is a one man show? Majority of us donot know the members of the team involved other than one who lead it that is the problem.
NASA is light years ahead and you cannot compare it with India's but still they have achieved success in their first iteration with such a low budget allocated to them. They are just building their infrastructure and once it is available it will be much cheaper to reuse the existing infra and execute such missions. Do you know many developed nations do outsource their space launches to India and India earns back their space program investment. How smart is that?
NASA Mars mission started in 1964 where launch of Mariner 3 is failure and finally NASA succeeded with Mariner 4. NASA is great but we should also learn to appreciate efforts of others.
0 is the product of India, Yoga is the product of India just google you will find more.
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Might be I don't know as much as you know. I did not find any problem till date I am able to choose right people and they all are good and honest. I am just sharing my experience. But I see anger and hatred towards them in your words humans needs to be loved is what I believe. We cannot ask apple to stop doing business with rest of the world to employ Americans. Hope Apple finds good talent and chooses right people whereever it wants to setup its shop. We cannot ask Apple to loose business of 2.6 billion people.
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There is an eighty year cycle of a global conflict with two distinct sides. One side who's grandparents won the last conflict whom keep control by reducing liberty via some form of socialism and state controlled markets. The other side are the new money making their fortune via new technology and philosophies that represent a loss of power and control to the old money.
These two forces inevitably come to a head when the old money has nothing left to keep power but violent acts. The new money innovates and (most times) defeats the old money. Eighty years ago the conflict was between those profiting from the industrial revolution vs. manual labor farms and factories. Before that, free labor vs. slave labor. Even before that New World Democracies vs. Old World Royalties. Further back, we have Romance Aristocracy vs. Church Nobility. The beat goes on.
This round we have Information industries vs. Manufacturing industries. The borders are very blurry this time. However, when push comes to shove and old money is loosing, the long knives come out in a death spiral. Bernie Sanders backers and failed Venezuela is a prelude of the bigger fight to come. Get ready for it and keep your powder dry. None of us will come out free of scars a decade or so from now.
If you look at the human race as a single living organism, it is like shedding off cancerous cells for the body has a whole to grow and mature. Then there are those who say the conflict after this one will be those living on Earth vs. those living off Earth toward the end of the 21st century.
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There are more cities in the US than NY and I did not live in NY..
One thing I did learn from living there was Americans do not know when to maintain a stoic civil silence..
They would rather ask you How your weekend was if they run into you in the elevator despite having no real intent or interest in knowing how it really was ...
Just because they cannot handle awkward silences when they meet a random acquaintance ..
Are you saying it is OK to be hypocritical because being seen as impolite is not acceptable??
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Just a random example of how it may sound coming the other way..
The degree of rampant generalization on this thread is amazing!
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The engineers and designers who have made it to the US are generally pretty good.
As for offshore design, it's my experience that it ends up having to be fixed onshore more often than not. As I said, my best friends are Indians who are now US citizens, and even they can't stand fixing offshore development mess.
Which is why you should not have done so. You were claiming that India "does it cheaper" than NASA, without qualifying such a claim with with the fact that the activities you compared were not of equal stature.
Also, one cannot compare a launch to Mars fifty years ago when designs were done with slide rules, with a launch done with today's microprocessors and advanced everything else, including well known space navigation.
You were claiming that India builds many great products desired around the world. Those are ancient concepts, not current consumer products. Or perhaps you just use the wrong word?
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If you are selling anything into a community you should give something back to that community. this is good business practice and will create loyalty from your customers if you have good products too. this is exactly what Apple are doing as they see India as a valuable market to them.
Virtually all tech companies have moved some of their operations overseas for one reason or another. I don't particularity like call centres in India as I find the language and cultural barriers make life more difficult than they should be, and I still get charged the same for support, my call I'd always pay extra for local support if it were available just to get around any language issues as it would save time. However most of us greatly benefit from global trade, and it can't be all one-sided we have to share the love.
Could these 4000 jobs have been created in the US? Sure. They could have been created in most countries, but they created them in India. No amount of complaining on here will change that either. You want to change it, then go create a fantastic company and create the jobs yourself. I'm sure many will say that's impossible, it's not impossible it's just very hard.
Virtually all tech companies have moved some of their operations overseas for one reason or another. I don't particularity like call centres in India as I find the language and cultural barriers make life more difficult than they should be, and I still get charged the same for support, my call I'd always pay extra for local support if it were available just to get around any language issues as it would save time. However most of us greatly benefit from global trade, and it can't be all one-sided we have to share the love.
Could these 4000 jobs have been created in the US? Sure. They could have been created in most countries, but they created them in India. No amount of complaining on here will change that either. You want to change it, then go create a fantastic company and create the jobs yourself. I'm sure many will say that's impossible, it's not impossible it's just very hard.
India space tech is just catching up it is almost 50 years behind US i.e. Why I referred 1964. Do you know mariner 4 Mars mission cost is $83 million in 1964 after 52 years India was able to do it for $74 million. India just started its first mission to Mars where as NASA achieved it 50 years back. I am just giving better example than your Kamasutra. Android has many components that are designed and developed at Google dev centers outside US and we use them but we never know they are developed outside US. Amazon, Google and azure services are few more examples. All these products are designed across the world and we indirectly use them or interact with them.
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Mess Indeed!
The buggy incomplete and worse... Highly inaccurate Apple Maps are more like a bad April Fools joke. Its a stunning revelation about the sad state of Apple products today. The map is so bad it's nearly unbelievable.
One things for certain, the dodgy work coming out of the Cupertino Co continues to get worse. I don't remember a time when there's been so much substandard work out one of the largest most wealthy company's.
It's proof positive that the public is mesmerized by Apple. This company can sell anything no matter the quality.