Apple to Hire 4,000 Employees in Hyderabad, India to Work on Maps Development

[ForkHandles]

A lot of the upset in the forum is based on the misconception that Apple is an 'American' company, and that somehow it must remain loyal to each of its 300+million population. I believe those people are being very naive!

Sure its listed on the US Stock Exchange, sure it has its headquarters in California but thats where it ends!

The majority of its employees are non-US based. The hedge funds and pension pots that invest in any great amounts all come in from the Cayman Islands or other such tax havens, non-US. Its manufacturing is all done abroad where labour is less expensive. The majority of its sales all take place outside of the US.

This is an international business, it has no home, it has no need for loyalty, it has a need to follow its mission faithfully.

 

[shaunp]

I actually got the Nexus 6 on black friday for $200. I love it. I haven't switched my SIM over to it. I keep debating about it. I have an iPhone 5s I've used as my phone for so long. The Nexus 6's Google Now stuff is great. Really good camera, although it's a bit buggy. It'll sometimes stop recording video randomly and sometimes says it can't connect to the camera. I use it around the house for browsing on WiFi. The Google Now page (the thing when you swipe to the left of the homescreen) is what I check first every day.

I'm considering one myself. My Mrs needs a new phone, so I'll give her my iPhone 6 and move over to a Nexus 6.

 

[femike]

I think this is just the beginning of outsourcing their high cost US programmers. It will start with maps and iOS will follow. Step by step so that we accept it

Well Microsoft had outsourced Windows development decades ago.

 

[pftaylor]

4000 good jobs in India? Meanwhile Apple hires Americans for very low paying jobs in the U.S. for their retail stores. How long will this go on before the politicians chew on this one in an election year...

 

[NT1440]

Well Microsoft had outsourced Windows development decades ago.

Not only that, they and many other high technology companies actually use prison labor in the US paying under $0.30 an hour: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item...on_corporations_that_feed_on_prisons_20150405

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does this as well, but people need to understand exactly what is happening as they companies find any and all ways to drive labor costs through the floor.

 

[cube]

I never understood how Apple can still have the vast majority of its engineering on a huge fault line. No wonder they don't even bother with enterprise.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Apple University. You probably haven't heard of it.

Yes. Explains your post 100%.

 

[dvoros]

In line with previous rumors and confirmations, Apple today announced the opening of a new development center in Hyderabad, India focused on Apple Maps development.

WaveRock campus in Hyderabad, India​

The new center, launched in partnership with RMSI, will employ up to 4,000 workers, with the announcement coming as part of Tim Cook's ongoing trip to China and India.According to previous reports, the new center at Tishman Speyer's WaveRock campus in Hyderabad is 250,000 square feet, with Apple investing $25 million in the project.

The news comes a day after Apple announced plans to open an iOS App Design and Development Accelerator in Bangalore, India. That center, intended to aid Indian app developers in adopting Apple's Swift programming language and help with development and one-on-one app reviews, is planned to open early next year.

Article Link: Apple to Hire 4,000 Employees in Hyderabad, India to Work on Maps Development

Why here and not in the United States? Are you inferring that we have no cities or communities with innovative and talented people?

 

[konqueror4u]

Why here and not in the United States? Are you inferring that we have no cities or communities with innovative and talented people?

You will need to understand global economics before you ask this question. Programming needs logical thinking being emotional will not help. I can hardly find few people who can think logical in this discussion. You will need to understand none of global tech companies having its head quarters in US are US companies. They are global companies and they have to spread various operations across the world to tap their potential markets. How can a tech organization ignore 2.6 billion market of India and China. Trust me tech companies prefer logic over emotions in everything including hiring decisions.

 

[fedup flyer]

Good Joke. Learn to appreciate people's hard work there are good and bad programmers every where. Indian programmers are cheap and good most of the time. If you are not able to hire a good programmer it is your problem.

So let me get this right, I am supposed to admire someones hard work even though it is crap??!!
If it sucks, it sucks and no amount of admiration will make it un-suck.
I guess this must be the millennial mind set or have you been hanging around Kayne West?
Indians maybe cheap but the good ones are few and far between. You get what you pay for.
Hard to hire a "good" one when lying about their background and credentials is rampant.

I have worked with a quite a few of them in a non-computer industry and I think just about everyone of them lied on their CVs and even some forged their credentials/licenses.

 

[ForkHandles]

Indians maybe cheap but the good ones are few and far between. You get what you pay for.
Hard to hire a "good" one when lying about their background and credentials is rampant.

You do realise that Indian men and women aren't cheap because they didn't finish the school system, they are not cheap because they are fresh out of prison for deception and fraud convictions. They are cheap because their economy is different.
The Indian economy is one of the strongest emerging economies in the world however the cost of living is significantly different. This is not a measure of talent.

 

[konqueror4u]

So let me get this right, I am supposed to admire someones hard work even though it is crap??!!
If it sucks, it sucks and no amount of admiration will make it un-suck.
I guess this must be the millennial mind set or have you been hanging around Kayne West?
Indians maybe cheap but the good ones are few and far between. You get what you pay for.
Hard to hire a "good" one when lying about their background and credentials is rampant.

I have worked with a quite a few of them in a non-computer industry and I think just about everyone of them lied on their CVs and even some forged their credentials/licenses.

you got me wrong. you cannot generalize it is all I wanted to say. I am sure you have not even got a chance to work with 0.0001% of the computer programming population of India or China. I am sure apple is good at finding talented people.
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You do realise that Indian men and women aren't cheap because they didn't finish the school system, they are not cheap because they are fresh out of prison for deception and fraud convictions. They are cheap because their economy is different.
The Indian economy is one of the strongest emerging economies in the world however the cost of living is significantly different. This is not a measure of talent.

Agreed.

 

[richierich123]

4000 Indians is also equivalent to about 3 Silicon Valley salaries.

why wouldn't it be - there is huge difference between US and India economy, pay scale..

 

[konqueror4u]

4000 good jobs in India? Meanwhile Apple hires Americans for very low paying jobs in the U.S. for their retail stores. How long will this go on before the politicians chew on this one in an election year...

India and China will be bigger markets for apple than US. Do you think politicians will ask apple to stop doing business with other countries?

 

[astr627]

What the heck is wrong with people? You do realize that we do live in a world economy now and like it or not, not everything can done in the US. Apple is not alone here... almost every high-tech company out there is using different markets to help expand their development or manufacturing.

Sure, I'd LOVE for Apple to bring more manufacturing home, but you do realize the biggest barrier to doing this is our own stupid government. Get pissed at Washington and not Cupertino. Same holds true for the tax thing... EVERY company does what they can to legally avoid taxes. It's complex and it's a PIA. But you can't blame them for doing all they can to retain their revenue. I'm sure YOU do all you can to take every tax deduction you can and manipulate your income through IRA's and other things to help avoid paying taxes... I know I do... why would you not???

So, dump your MacBook and go buy a Surface that is assembled in China and parts developed by Microsoft employees in India. Same freaking thing.

Macbook are made in China, just like iphone, ipad, iMac, PS3, PS4, Xbox, motherboards, graphics card, you name it. My PS3 is 7 years old, iPhone is 4, unibody Macbook is 8. I have no problem with Chinese manufacturing at all and they proved that they can make great stuff.

Mac OS is developed in California and it's the best OS out there. On the other hand, Windows is buggy and hard to use. It's like a giant machine glued together, rather than engineered. You figured why is that.

 

[fedup flyer]

i hav

You do realise that Indian men and women aren't cheap because they didn't finish the school system, they are not cheap because they are fresh out of prison for deception and fraud convictions. They are cheap because their economy is different.
The Indian economy is one of the strongest emerging economies in the world however the cost of living is significantly different. This is not a measure of talent.

The deception and fraud is a cultural thing.
After having lived and worked in the Middle East and worked with and supervised many Indians, I can easily back up my statement.
Fraud and deception being so rampant for educated workers coming from India, the UEA had to put in place a procedure to receive documents and licenses directly from the certifying body/agency/university rather than through the individual.
Lots of bullmess BS degrees floating around in that part of the world.

I have been to India several times due to work....have you?

 

[konqueror4u]

Macbook are made in China, just like iphone, ipad, iMac, PS3, PS4, Xbox, motherboards, graphics card, you name it. My PS3 is 7 years old, iPhone is 4, unibody Macbook is 8. I have no problem with Chinese manufacturing at all and they proved that they can make great stuff.

Mac OS is developed in California and it's the best OS out there. On the other hand, Windows is buggy and hard to use. It's like a giant machine glued together, rather than engineered. You figured why is that.

Windows supports variety of hardware compared to OSX. Let OSX support hardware like windows you will understand the reality. Bugs are part and parcel of software development life cycle.
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i hav


The deception and fraud is a cultural thing.
After having lived and worked in the Middle East and worked with and supervised many Indians, I can easily back up my statement.
Fraud and deception being so rampant for educated workers coming from India, the UEA had to put in place a procedure to receive documents and licenses directly from the certifying body/agency/university rather than through the individual.
Lots of bullmess BS degrees floating around in that part of the world.

I have been to India several times do to work....have you?

Cultural is a very big word my friend and you cannot associate something bad done by few people to the whole country. Can we say deception and fraud is a cultural thing of humans?

 

[astr627]

You will need to understand global economics before you ask this question. Programming needs logical thinking being emotional will not help. I can hardly find few people who can think logical in this discussion. You will need to understand none of global tech companies having its head quarters in US are US companies. They are global companies and they have to spread various operations across the world to tap their potential markets. How can a tech organization ignore 2.6 billion market of India and China. Trust me tech companies prefer logic over emotions in everything including hiring decisions.

There are great tech companies and mediocre ones. Great tech companies attract talents right here in the US and they can even be very picky. It's the sub-par tech company who turns to India for much cheaper labor to do non-critical programming or testing jobs. Trust me most tech companies just prefer cheaper programmer than anything else...

 

[konqueror4u]

There are great tech companies and mediocre ones. Great tech companies attract talents right here in the US and they can even be very picky. It's the sub-par tech company who turns to India for much cheaper labor for non-critical programming or testing jobs. Trust me most tech companies just prefer cheaper programmer than anything else...

I know very well about tech companies and their hiring process dude I am an Architect. If you think US is the only country in the world having talented people you are wrong. Many people does not know that great tech companies do hire talent from all the countries across the world.

 

[astr627]

I know very well about tech companies and their hiring process dude I am an Architect. If you think US is the only country in the world having talented people you are wrong. Many people does not know that great tech companies do hire talent from all the countries across the world.

US has enough talents to support its tech industry and they don't need to outsource jobs or hire directly from another country. The reason they do that is cost reduction, simple as that.

 

[AsherN]

US has enough talents to support its tech industry and they don't need to outsource jobs or hire directly from another country. The reason they do that is cost reduction, simple as that.

Explain why other tech companies have large R&D facilities in Israel? It's not wages...

 

[konqueror4u]

US has enough talents to support its tech industry and they don't need to outsource jobs or hire directly from another country. The reason they do that is cost reduction, simple as that.

There is nothing called US tech industry any more it is just global tech industry and if we follow protectionism same can be adopted by every country in the world. if you understand global economics and global trade you will not have developed this opinion. US head quartered companies are the primary beneficiaries of global trade if you stop it that will be the end for them.


Below are references of how US uses WTO to boost its export sector and same will be used by other countries.

Read this
http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/b...-wto-challenge-against-india-solar-incentives
http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/bridges/news/india-to-challenge-visa-fees-at-wto-official

Do you think US companies are prepared to loose the business of billions of people by denying few jobs to them? Do you think US government will ask US head quartered companies to stop doing business with rest of the world?

Global economics is very complex it cannot be understood with emotions.

 

[amegicfox]

Tim is really obsessively patriotic on who needs to use the female and male bathroom in the US. But when it comes to real jobs, it's ok for Tim to hire thousands of employees oversees and leave americans unemployed. He has great priorities lined up.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Tim is really obsessively patriotic on who needs to use the female and male bathroom in the US. But when it comes to real jobs, it's ok for Tim to hire thousands of employees oversees and leave americans unemployed. He has great priorities lined up.

i don't think being against the female/male bathroom thing is "patriotic" you have a very warped view on patriotism.
[doublepost=1463772789][/doublepost]additionally, we don't live in a fascist community. tim cook is the ceo of a mega corporation. he is Apple first, US second. He will only do things to help the US if it doesn't affect Apple negatively or if inaction affects Apple negatively.

I actually hand it to apple. At least they manufacture stuff in the US. The Mac Pro and iMacs are all assembled here. where's every other company?

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

What the heck is wrong with people? You do realize that we do live in a world economy now and like it or not, not everything can done in the US. Apple is not alone here... almost every high-tech company out there is using different markets to help expand their development or manufacturing.

Sure, I'd LOVE for Apple to bring more manufacturing home, but you do realize the biggest barrier to doing this is our own stupid government. Get pissed at Washington and not Cupertino. Same holds true for the tax thing... EVERY company does what they can to legally avoid taxes. It's complex and it's a PIA. But you can't blame them for doing all they can to retain their revenue. I'm sure YOU do all you can to take every tax deduction you can and manipulate your income through IRA's and other things to help avoid paying taxes... I know I do... why would you not???

So, dump your MacBook and go buy a Surface that is assembled in China and parts developed by Microsoft employees in India. Same freaking thing.

Do you understand that they moved most of the jobs out and killed the economy?!!! Do you no that china is a communist nation that the U.S built?! Do you know that china declares itself as the enemy?!!!