Apple to Introduce New Final Cut Pro on April 12th?

[studiomusic]

Already have my tickets... I was looking forward to Kevin Smith and Philip Bloom, but FCP is a welcome announcement.
Hopefully they'll give a bunch of copies of it for the Supermeet Super Raffle.

 

[pkson]

I wonder if they're gonna add (slightly useless) stuff from iMovie like face recognition (It's a great idea, but it takes too long to go through all the clips..)

I hope FCP is just awesome beyond comprehension.

 

[Magrathea]

Been Using Premier Pro CS5 - my 2c

I've been using Premier Pro CS5 on a 2008 MBP for about a week now. I'm a former FCP user. The mercury engine thing does work but only for all but the simplest of editing on my machine - I use AVCH footage Panny HMC40 and DLSR (h.264) Canon 7D and yes you can drag it onto the timeline directly without Transcode BUT add an effect or simple color correction or title and the footage is not playable at all (on my poor machine) without doing a render. Never had to do this with FCP BUT of course I had to wait for the Transcoded to ProREs 422.

So in summary:

1. You need a very powerful machine if you want to edit AVCHD and h.264 AND do some color correction WITHOUT having to render.
2. It works great for simple editing - even on my C2D machine with 2.4Ghz - 8 gigs or ram and a 9600gt card. Also on my other machine a 2007 MBP with a 8600GT graphics card.
3. You can actually author a Blu-ray disc with this program and Encore not so on Mac without using Toast
4. Mercury actually doesn't need CUDA but having a 1gig graphics card (not gonna happen on a portable laptop) will enable CUDA and supposed turbo charged results and rendering
5. Get a i7 quad core or be prepared to transcode

 

[charlituna]

YES!!!

Did you see the Conan version.

I hope the next release of FCS integrates the different apps within the suite under a single UI.

I don't have an issue with the apps being separate but I do agree that a more common UI would be nice.

And I too hope to see the rest of Shake return in some form or another.

The speculation is that REDRay will be used for everything from 4K DCP playback in movie theaters to a download/streaming version that will be usable for buying up to 4K movies through iTunes.

if this means we could get HD itunes that are actually blu-ray quality without it being 50 GB I'm all for it.

I hope they ship it on DVD as i'm not going to tie up my Internet connection for 3 hrs while it downloads

Agreed. If not DVDs then a flash drive like they did the restore stuff for the Airs

I doubt Apple will ship a new version of FCP before they ship lion,

folks said the same thing about FCS3 and Snow Leopard and yet as I recall that is exactly what they did.

Ugh. Final Cut is fine the way it is for now... We need iWeb overhaul!! Make it more search engine friendly, none of the text as an image crap. grrr...

Final Cut is fine but it could be much better. Both full studios in fact could be much much better in a number of ways

That said, there are rumors about iWeb being revamped which is why it wasn't updated in iLife 11. And about the release of an iweb for ipad app. So you might get your wish

 

[Cyberskip]

Final Cut use in Features

I'm not trolling, this is an honest question. But isn't a Final Cut pretty much worthless for commercial use without a way to put the results on Blu-Ray?

Here are a few examples.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/

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[rishio]

apple store down

The apple store is down so maybe they are announcing it tomorrow?

 

[Xarthan]

hopefully this will be 64 bit, my other 12 cores are weeping due to neglect

 

[Macsavvytech]

Ugh. Final Cut is fine the way it is for now... We need iWeb overhaul!! Make it more search engine friendly, none of the text as an image crap. grrr...

No Real web designer uses iWeb...
Tried it for 5 minutes until i realised how closed up it is, ie no code view.
Not that i really need any graphic program anyway. TextWrangler and Notepad++ FTW!

 

[kiwi_the_iwik]

My wishlist?


I'd love the option for fast HD compression and ftp transfer straight from the program.

Also, greater MXF support for P2, as well as metadata compatibility would be very welcome additions.

AVC-Intra would be brilliant (without having to constantly rewrap...), to go along with existing DVCPRO HD support.

Currently, we have to resort to 3rd party strategies for all of the above, which can be a major pain (and expense).

 

[deej999]

[*]Mercury actually doesn't need CUDA but having a 1gig graphics card (not gonna happen on a portable laptop) will enable CUDA and supposed turbo charged results and rendering

The new MBPs have the option of a 1GB Graphics card. Am using one now!
http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookpro/performance.html

 

[YoGramMamma]

Nice

I've posted several predictions over the past few months throughout this tread at Cinema5D:

http://cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=25464

Dude I took the time to read that entire post on cinema5d and I have to tip my hat to you. You have clearly thought this out. Hopefully someone at apple saw this post and is making notes! IMO (and clearly in yours) this is very much what apple needs to do. This content store idea is brilliant, makes apple more bucks, and allows content creators a way to make money on the selling end, and benefit from well made content on the receiving end. It turns videographers and photographers and motion graphic designers into "developers" ... Just without the need to know objective-C. I like it a lot. Have you tried submitting these ideas to Apple?

The idea of downloading just the core objects and have all the other stuff being in-app purchases is also brilliant and tying everything to your appleID too, since it'd let you legally install stuff on up tot 5 machines. Why I use up almost 60gb of stuff for "soundtrack loops and Dolby surround files" is beyond me.

Also this alleviates the whole final cut express/pro distinction. Essentially, fce is just fcp without any of the extra apps / plugins downloaded.

 

[yoak]

4GB? Do you realize how many DVDs FCS is? Unless Apple is going to severely cut up the package and de-studio it, no way is 4GB nearly enough space. Aperture is fine as a download b/c it's a relatively small program. FCS is a monster. It needs to be on media. I can't hog up my bandwidth to d/l a 16+GB suite.

4GB is roughly the size of the apps in FCS, the other 40GB are loops, templates et.

 

[Gugulino]

I hope that the new FCP will resemble iMovie: No need for rendering and a precision editor! I like the ease of use of iMovie, should be adopted by FCP.

 

[anim8or]

I hope that the new FCP will resemble iMovie: No need for rendering and a precision editor! I like the ease of use of iMovie, should be adopted by FCP.

Looking for some controversy are we?!!!

 

[Gugulino]

Looking for some controversy are we?!!!

No, I really think that iMovie is a good example of video-editing software. Did Apple changed FCP's look and feel in the last few years? No! It is outdated, that you have to admit for sure. iMovie has a far more modern UI, which should be adopted by FCP somehow. I didn't mean FCP should lose all its Pro-features. FCP could also adopt the easy way of handling your footage: In iMovie I see what I shot and can quickly add clips to the project without setting in and out points manually. And what about the precision-editor? For one project I abandoned FCP just because it has no precision editor.
I think FCP could learn a lot from iMovie. And if the same man, who created iMovie, is also the chief of the Final Cut Studio Developer Team, it will happen!

 

[fs454]

No, I really think that iMovie is a good example of video-editing software. Did Apple changed FCP's look and feel in the last few years? No! It is outdated, that you have to admit for sure. iMovie has a far more modern UI, which should be adopted by FCP somehow. I didn't mean FCP should lose all its Pro-features. FCP could also adopt the easy way of handling your footage: In iMovie I see what I shot and can quickly add clips to the project without setting in and out points manually. And what about the precision-editor? For one project I abandoned FCP just because it has no precision editor.
I think FCP could learn a lot from iMovie. And if the same man, who created iMovie, is also the chief of the Final Cut Studio Developer Team, it will happen!

precision editor? there are a million bajillion ways to "precision edit" in FCP that are easy and accurate. Just because there's no "one click" flashy UI to go with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[bimmzy]

I don't find it frustrating, in fact, it runs circles around FCP and I worked at Apple on 2 versions of the software, wrote a book and founded the first FCPUG.

As for strange bugs, please let me know what they are. Our users aren't complaining about anything strange.

If you do find something, please report it: Submit bugs to http://www.adobe.com/go/wish . More on how to give feedback: http://bit.ly/93d6NF

Best,
Kevin

Of course your not taking in to account all the fragmentation issues relating to "cross-platform" applications.

All software has bugs, especially programs ported to different operating systems and machines. The the bottom line is that FCP is popular with the editors.



BBC Broadcast Engineer.... living in the real world of media production!

 

[yfile]

I dont care about new Final Cut...

.. I never use it, but I use Motion and Soundtrack a lot and I need true 3D in Motion, even simply 3D. I need no crashing Motion. I need optimised and 64-bit Motion. I want it now, please!

 

[Gugulino]

precision editor? there are a million bajillion ways to "precision edit" in FCP that are easy and accurate. Just because there's no "one click" flashy UI to go with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yes, there are ways in FCP, but they are clunky! It was much easier for my project to do it in iMovie. Naturally, it is not true for every project.
For example, I can't do Multicam edits in iMovie. FCP has also its advantages, for sure! If FCP could marry with iMovie and make a child, the new FCP, that would be heaven.

 

[hob]

If the new Final Cut is 64-bit it will presumably rely on AV-kit.

folks said the same thing about FCS3 and Snow Leopard and yet as I recall that is exactly what they did.

I always felt the reason FCS3 came out just before SL was precisely because it wasn't 64-bit and was more of a maintenance release, whereas SL was touting Grand Central Dispatch etc etc...

 

[TMay]

off topic (a bit)

Have any of you been able to use Sandy Bridge hardware h.264 on the MBP for your AVC files?

I understand that there is an issue with 24p (it's 24.000 hz not 23.976 hz as it should be) which will be corrected with Ivey Bridge, but 30p/60p/60i should work fine. I'm assuming that this feature will show up in Lion, but probably isn't yet supported in SL.

 

[videomaven]

I'm not trolling, this is an honest question. But isn't a Final Cut pretty much worthless for commercial use without a way to put the results on Blu-Ray?

There are many ways of delivering content other than BluRay. But if one insists, there is a rudimentary BluRay output currently in FCP. Or burn with Toast. Or author in anything from Adobe Encore to high-end PC-based BluRay authoring systems.

While I accept that you are not acting the troll, you do need to learn a bit more about the video/film world.

 

[xStep]

I'm willing to bet there will be a price drop and only available on the Mac App Store.

I doubt it will be available on the Mac App store. Think about how much space FCS requires.

 

[realitymonkey]

Hmm we have a Blu Ray burner in our duplication bay in 3 years and approx 1500 hrs of Broadcast HD TV it has only been used so editors can take home personal projects to screen them.

Really do not see the need for Blu Ray at all there are so many other better suited formats.

 

[yoak]

Hmm we have a Blu Ray burner in our duplication bay in 3 years and approx 1500 hrs of Broadcast HD TV it has only been used so editors can take home personal projects to screen them.

Really do not see the need for Blu Ray at all there are so many other better suited formats.

It all depends on what you do for a living I suppose. I can see wedding video makers would want to deliver blu-ray.

I don´t do weddings, but I would at least like to have the option to easily make a Blu-Ray longer than 20min . Now every time we give people a HD format of what we have done, we usually end up with an Apple TV HD file and that´s a very compressed HD file IMHO.