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The GV80 looks amazing and the price is very competitive. With a new baby I’m looking more at the Hyundai Palisade vs the Kia Telluride. I like the Palisade interior but the Telluride reminds me of a Land Rover in a good way.
I have two kids in carseats, and one of the other reasons I'm waiting to upgrade is so that my next SUV doesn't have leather seats permanently imprinted from carseats, and stickers all over the doors/windows. Really interested too see if that affects the trade-in price.
 
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Of al the car companies they could choose, why KIA? They should have went for Toyota for build quality but then again, they want something cheap so they can charge a lot. Also, so much for supporting an American car company...
Because they wanted to go with a company that is not boring and is in the market to innovate and improve. Although I suspect Apple will be in total control of the physical design, why would anyone want to make a car that looks like a Prius?
 
I use to think the name Kia and Hyundai were pretty much junk. But, that all changed when my wife bought a new Veloster in 2014. Fast forward to 2021 along with 130K miles and her car has been problem free other than normal replacing items like batteries and cabin filters. Heck, she's still on her original brake pads which is crazy because she drives more aggressive than I do.

That sold me and I just bought a 2021 Hyundai Kona. It's a sub compact SUV that has plenty of room for my needs and it drives great. That and I love the fact that I can make a sixty mile round trip errand on a couple gallons of 87 octane gasoline.
 
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Hyundai/Kia has been KILLING IT the last 10 years

Go try to find a Kia Telluride at your dealer, I'll wait. Now , try to pay less than sticker for one, haha you ain't.

Kia is come a long way and an true UI UX interior will be the differentiator.

This isn't 1993, Taurus ain't the best selling car anymore - and its not 2008 with the Camry ruling the roost either.
 
I use to think the name Kia and Hyundai were pretty much junk. But, that all changed when my wife bought a new Veloster in 2014. Fast forward to 2021 along with 130K miles and her car has been problem free other than normal replacing items like batteries and cabin filters. Heck, she's still on her original brake pads which is crazy because she drives more aggressive than I do.

That sold me and I just bought a 2021 Hyundai Kona. It's a sub compact SUV that has plenty of room for my needs and it drives great. That and I love the fact that I can make a sixty mile round trip errand on a couple gallons of 87 octane gasoline.
We're talking about developing EV technology, not 100 year old combustion engine tech. Toyota is the only valid consideration if you want the best. They are at least a decade ahead of anyone else (who is not Tesla).
 
ITT people with limited understanding of car production bemoan Apple teaming up with KIA. These same people probably still drive BMW and Mercedes...lol
 
Consumer electronics are NOT the same as cars.
Tesla will absolutely destroy anything apple finally releases sometime next decade.
Sorry, Apple failed.
You sound like a Tesla bro with little insight but you're entitled to your opinion. However, you're not to entitled to judge in past tense. Apple can't have failed until at least they announce and/or release something. Let's judge them on their past and present merits and not on rumors.
 
Of al the car companies they could choose, why KIA? They should have went for Toyota for build quality but then again, they want something cheap so they can charge a lot. Also, so much for supporting an American car company...

Toyota, despite their pioneering work on Prius almost two decades ago, is not very keen on EVs. Japanese auto companies were still skeptical of BEV until very recently and instead had been (and may be still are) pushing for fuel cell (and hybrid) for years. IMO, at this point, it's really a two-horse race between VW and Hyundai/Kia. Hyundai/Kia's build quality is extremely fine.
 
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China's Nio ET7 is powered by an Nvidia supercomputer that generates 8GB of data per second. Expect Chinese EVs to be strong competition.
 
I have two kids in carseats, and one of the other reasons I'm waiting to upgrade is so that my next SUV doesn't have leather seats permanently imprinted from carseats, and stickers all over the doors/windows. Really interested too see if that affects the trade-in price.
Yeah i dont think the GV80 is kid friendly, im thinking whatever car i get will need a dark interior to help hide stains but I personally prefer a lighter interior color.
 
Hyundai vehicles have improved over the years. KIA...?
Why did Hyundai even buy KIA?

In less than 1 year after one buys the Apple KIA car, it will almost be obsolete.
Apple would want people to buy KIA cars annually like it wants people to buy Apple products annually. There are Apple buyers who are very loyal and will buy any and all Apple products so owning an Apple KIA vehicle won't be surprising.
There will probably the Apple logo on the steering wheel, outside badge or whatever just to tell consumers that it's the Apple KIA edition.
If it happens, watch what happens to the first cars... small, cramp, limited features sold at high prices. If you want features, expect to pay an arm and a leg and then some, similar to Apple's pricing of its products.
 
Mercedes in Germany & Jeep in the USA are rated well below Kia (in top position) in reliability.

Hyundai's Genesis is rated the highest of any luxury car for reliability. And of course, Hyundai own Kia. So I reckon Apple are in pretty good hands.

Edit: Genesis was rated best premium brand for the last 4 years!


Double Edit: Here is the actual report: https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2020-06/2020070 U.S. IQS.pdf
JD Power is a joke. They give ‘awards’ to whoever pays them.
 
1999. A co-worker wanted to show it off. Didn't even have cutouts for the speakers. They may have gotten better, but the flashy limited warranty suggest they haven't solved it yet.

That's 22 years ago. 8 years before the iPhone. Two years before the iPod, the iPod! What was Apple's reputation like then compared to now? If you haven't kept up with a company for two decades, don't bother commenting, as you're clearly just trolling. FYI I drove my 2010 KIA for 9 years, 170,000 km with no issues whatsoever. One of my biggest reasons for purchasing was that everything I wanted came standard too. If you actually care to inform yourself on the topic, go read reviews of the Kia Stinger or Telluride. All that being said, an Apple car will be electric and no traditional manufacturer has really proven themselves in that field yet. Hyundai and Kia have at least been working on it and releasing models that get better every year, which is better than most others to date.
 
Maybe, but it would be a fail for apple excuse they are too late and the project has been in trouble from the start with zero vision or direction. I mean they keep firing and then hiring the staff not to mention continuously changing the head of the project.
They bought Bob Mansfield out of retirement only for him to then re-retire!
I mean how disorganised and chaotic are they?
Not a recipe for success is it?
The production of the original iPhone was extremely chaotic. The shifting in and out of staff could simply be a project moving into different phases, or requiring new and different skills and talent as the vision becomes increasingly solidified.
 
Really? They chose Kia for production? What a joke. Personally speaking, there's NO way anybody will ever get me to buy a Kia. Best of luck to Apple, I guess, as they are going to need a lot of it...
 
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I agree. These rumors seem to pop up like weeds, but it's just such a different kind of business than anything they are involved in that I can neither see how nor why. There is so much more money to be made so much more easily by continuing to build out in consumer electronics and media services like they are doing. Add home automation gadgets + subscriptions, more home audio solutions, more media and publishing services (books subscription next?), televisions, AR devices (as planned), build out iCloud further to get more subscribers (privacy-respecting email, improved photo services, video sharing), etc. etc..
Yeah, Apple has never made anything that is an electric device that requires on industrial design, batteries/charging, AI, computer chips, wireless communications, LIDAR, displays, cameras, audio/speakers...

Even if they did all of that stuff, they’d need to hire the car industry’s top talent (which they are), and work with an experienced and reliable manufacturer that will meet their every specification (check).

Also they would need a LOT of capital and experience entering new hardware industries and turning them on their head (yep).

Honestly there is no reason why Apple cannot pull it off, and anyone doubting it is as silly as those who ever doubted the iPhone.
 
I don’t know about in the US but in the UK Kia are now rated pretty highly. I’ve got a 2013 Cee’d with nearly 120000 miles on the clock and it has been the comfiest and most reliable car I’ve ever owned.
I love the c apostrophe d... it even at one point had a very apple friendly naming scheme... the ceed, pro_ceed, ceed_sw, and ceed.
And I think it’s smart for apple to choose Kia for so many reasons. They do make good cars and the fact that they are ‘highest in initial quality’ sounds lucrative for many reasons to apple. They know how to keep costs down and still deliver a good product, US plants in low labor cost states and world wide as well... so many good reasons
 
Big Sur: Bricked MBPs
HomePod update: Bricked HomePods

And yes there have been instances of iOS software updates bricking entire CarPlay-enabled head units in cars.

I have never heard of a Tesla software update bricking a car.

Apple's software quality has been poor for years. And cars are now all about software.
Must not be reading the news

Tesla asked to recall 158,000 cars for failing displays​

The bricked screens can cause crashes, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says
 
Not really, that was widely predicted to happen and even I believed an Apple Mobile phone would surely happen (and I’m no future analyst by any means)
Since Apple develops in secrecy, everything has been predicted to happen because it’s all blind speculation. What you miss is that everyone said that high end consumer computers, phones, wearables and retail stores would all fail and Apple proved them all wrong by commanding large (but not monopolistic) market shares without sacrificing their high margins.
 
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