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Only the GPU is a mobile component. The CPU, storage(They use 3.5" HDDs), display, and ports are all desktop class components. If they can put in the new GTX 980 for notebooks, it would perform exactly as any gaming PC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the hard drives were 2.5 inchers. Of course 3.5 inch drives are irrelevent in these days of affordable SSD's. Apple just needs to get with the modern times and use full ssd's rather than fusion drives, which were a band-aid compromise in an era of $1000+ 1tb SSD's.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the hard drives were 2.5 inchers. Of course 3.5 inch drives are irrelevent in these days of affordable SSD's. Apple just needs to get with the modern times and use full ssd's rather than fusion drives, which were a band-aid compromise in an era of $1000+ 1tb SSD's.

21.5" has 2.5" HD
27" has 3.5" HD
 
It's a desktop computer!

Just because you place it on a desktop to use doesn't make it a desktop-class computer internally.

I can share more if there's a genuine learning opportunity here, but if not, I'll pass.
 
But I wonder if 4K will have the same brief popularity as 3D but will never fully be supported and get out of the ground? Beautiful views and clarity but I wonder
 
Just because you place it on a desktop to use doesn't make it a desktop-class computer internally.

I can share more if there's a genuine learning opportunity here, but if not, I'll pass.

Okay, Apple did a good job on you it seems.
 
Only the GPU is a mobile component. The CPU, storage(They use 3.5" HDDs), display, and ports are all desktop class components. If they can put in the new GTX 980 for notebooks, it would perform exactly as any gaming PC.

Exactly this is what I am criticizing. Apple is pretty lazy when it comes to GPU. Yes, it's thin and looks good and all but performance wise it could be improved upon.
 
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Do you mean between Haswell and Broadwell? In 21.5" iMac class (considering thermal requirements) Broadwell will bring HUGE performance boost. It will bring 5k iMac CPU power to the smaller size iMac. iGPU in Broadwell is almost as fast as M370X. So it leaves current 755M eating dust. It is 30% - 50% faster that fastest AMD APU iGPU.

Broadwell i5-5675C and i7-5775C are perfect chips for iMac without dGPU. But if paired with dGPU, Skylake CPU's are better option, because they're cheaper and you don't need Iris Pro anyway.

You're right. I ment the overall CPU performance upgrade is rather small (10% max?), but going back to an Nvidia GPU again would be a much bigger performance upgrade (esp. the newest upgraded GTX980 mobile GPU card).
These AMD GPUs are very hot too. I can overclock my Nvidia 680MX @ 250/375 with 100% stability, and still have considerably lower temperatures than the current AMD GPUs at stock clockspeed.
 
Exactly this is what I am criticizing. Apple is pretty lazy when it comes to GPU. Yes, it's thin and looks good and all but performance wise it could be improved upon.
So, if I understand well, you are suggesting that a desktop-class GPU can go into the iMac under the current slim design, right?
 
So, if I understand well, you are suggesting that a desktop-class GPU can go into the iMac under the current slim design, right?

No. This is the point. The slim design is stupid because of that. Apple should at least switch to the GTX980M.
 
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It doesn't have a battery and the design is not mobile regardless of it's internals. That's what's being criticized here, Apple using mobile components.

It's a laptop on its side, that's all. If it had desktop internals, it would be about 10cm thick to house all the fans and heatsinks.
 
My local Apple Store (Bordeaux, France) has replaced their iMacs with MacBooks today. Definitely thinking next week for some new iMacs :)

Have they just replaced their iMac 21,5" or the other ones too? Hoping for a processor upgrade on the 27" iMac non retina!
 
It doesn't have a battery and the design is not mobile regardless of it's internals. That's what's being criticized here, Apple using mobile components.

It's easy to understand your criticism of Apple using mobile components (let's be real here, we're talking about GPUs, aren't we?) Mobile GPUs are the biggest performance bottleneck that current mobile devices and all-in-one PCs (like the iMac) use.

We've had the ongoing "why doesn't Apple release a mid-tower gaming Mac?" argument for many years. It seems to have fallen on deaf ears at Apple. It's just not in their playbook. If they did release one, I'd buy it sight unseen. Even if I did have to buy a monitor separately. Apple has gone so far up the road of computers as appliances, I don't know if they can ever come back.

I do, however, give them credit for thinking beyond the plain beige box in terms of design and engineering. Maybe they're forward-thinking, innovative. Maybe the internal hardware hasn't caught up yet to that design and engineering. Steve Jobs did refer to the iPad as the fruition of the original Apple team's dream. That's a long time to wait. Maybe when desktop GPUs attain a power draw equivalent to - or superior to - their mobile brethren, and lose the need for those fans, I think Apple will gleefully incorporate them into their iMacs.

And I think they'll be the first to do it.
 
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On normal 1080p or 1440p displays I don't mind. We're talking about 4K and 5K displays here.

I think, that if we're being honest with ourselves, 4k and 5k as a spec and feature, is in its infancy in home computing terms. Desktop class GPUs that support the resolution for gaming struggle at everything BUT the high-end (eg nVidia's Titan) to do so in AAA games at a constant 60 fps.

This time next year? Hopefully a different story. Probably a different story.
 
I have been waiting forever for Apple to update its computers to Skylake CPUs. Other companies already have them shipping, some for months now.

Even though I desperately need some new iMacs, if no Skylake, NO SALE!
 
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Yes, I've been waiting for pressure sensitive screens to macbooks ever since 2008! Finally Apple, way to go!
Not going to happen. The optimal size for touch-targets and click-targets differs by a lot. You can't have both without either the icons being to close together to be comfortably touched or to far apart to be comfortably clicked. Besides you have to alter the whole UI for something that is completely redundant. And we have seen how this experiment plays out in reality with Windows 8.

Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users

The beauty of the ForceTouch trackpad is, it is completely transparent to the way trackpads used to work before. You can turn it off in preferences and it will feel like a MultiTouch trackpad. You can disable all the multitouch gestures and it will feel like a SingleTouch trackpad. On whatever machine you've learned your computing skills, you can replicate that exact same experience without distractions.
 
So Microsoft just launched the most impressive "Surface Pad Pro" yet (even looks a lot like a Macbook Pro, but doubles as a tablet) and has Skylake on it already while Apple releases OUTDATED/OBSOLETE technology at the same relative time (kind of like the new AppleTV as Roku and Amazon and NVidia all recently released their 4K capable models).

Come on Apple flavored Kool-Aid drinkers, tell me how people don't NEED Skylake yet. It's just too damn new and fast for people in 2015 and there's not enough interest in better/faster/more powerful technology. Let's wait until the next chipset comes out and then release Skylake models. After all, you need more than a tiny percentage using something before Apple can invest in it.... o_O


Well... that's how Apple makes all their money. They take older tech specs that are at least a year behind and package it up all pretty. The average user has no clue what the specs means with i5 and i7 and 390X... all they know is "hmm...7 is higher than 5, so 7 must be better than 5".
The sad fact is that Apple is now playing 'keep up' with the rest of the world. Larger iPhone and iPad pro are just a few examples of Apple having to catch up with their competitors. I'm still surprised we have no iPhone with a Retina display.... seems like that should be the next thing that Apple needs to do to keep up with the tech world.
 
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Great. My wife just bought a rMBP and is now looking very suspiciously at her 2013 21" iMac. I can see her wince when she notices the pixels on the iMac. Funny thing is she never complained about the resolution until using her rMBP for a couple days.
 
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