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Can believe there is so much hate and bs against apple, what about the others. A upcoming feature which will be used less than 1%
There are no others in this scenario. And it's not hate nor BS here. Trillion dollar companies will always be beasts that we have to try and tame before they get too powerful for our own good. Apple has never been anyone's friend. They just want your money, it's just that, in this case, the EU is acting in the name of the customers here. We definitely need more competition. Being able to use different browser engines is cool too. This means I'll be able to easily deploy an alternative browser in my company in the rare case that a zero-day Safari vulnerability is found and Apple takes a while to patch (which can happen, and has happened before). Or even better, since Safari doesn't support the integrations we need, we'll be able to get rid of it as it doesn't fit our needs.
 
next. can i have Android OS on my iPhone? it my device i bought, i own it, i can do whatever i want. :D
That would be great for my draw full of perfectly working iPhones and iPads which Apple has obsoleted and now are useless. Even though they work.
Also, does anyone read this to mean that every bank in the EU is going to be offering their own contactless payment solution in the own app, and that Apple Pay will likely not be supported for much longer?
No
Agree. And they will setup poor experience for their users in EU.
Why though? That’s not a good way to run a business is it.
there is freedom.
buy an android phone.

US brought 2 options to the market, iOS, Android.
What mobile OS choices did EU and rest of the world bring ?
please name a few.
it is easy to complain, difficult to make something.
Ah yes, but consider how they built these os’.. did all the code sources come from the US? And the hardware they run on? All the parts are exclusively US made, built assembled ? No? Didn’t think so.
The EU love banning things in the name of choice. The irony.

One of the benefits of Brexit for UK residents is that they can just sail along as usual, without being regulated and controlled all the time...

Just let customers decide.

If you want to use Android, use Android. I don't care. But don't weaken my iPhone's security or start opening doors to the Googles of this world...
What you just wrote there is a load of old tripe if you think Britain is anywhere close to being a good place on any front at the moment.
I wish they’d pull out. It may hurt them in the short term but so many businesses run on apple. They would hurt the EU.

We already see android is crap for enterprise. Chromeos is barely suitable for education and google is not viable in fitness, entertainment, music, wearables.
I’m glad you don’t run any kind of big multinational company.
Yet the rest of the iPhone us? Bizarre
Yes. iMessage isn’t used much in Europe. It’s not bizarre.
It would be like someone buying my book, and then proceeding to tear out the pages and use it as toilet paper.

Sure, the book is yours to do with since you have already paid for it, but if that’s your intent, then I would rather sell one less book than see my work being desecrated like that.
That’s just the worst analogy I’ve come across. I mean really.
If only you'd read a thing or two about DMA
Some people don’t read anything about anything. Blind love is often all I can see.
 
In order of competitiveness
1. Monopoly (1 player
2. Duopoly (2 players)
3. Oligopoly (a small number of players)
4. Perfect competition

You rarely see actual monopolies, and equally you rarely see perfect competition, but you do see near monopolies, and markets where one player is so dominant that it almost has the power of a monopolist, and can bend the market to suit it's interest, and set up artificial barriers to keep other out. You also see plenty of very competitive markets with no dominant players. The more competition, the better for consumers, as prices and quality tend to be better. Fewer producers usually means higher prices and worse product

EU policy is to try to create more competition and move from 1 towards 4.
Usually, from a business perspective, businesses would like to lever their advantages and move closer to 1. where they can maximise profits.
So it essentially boils down to the more players, and the less dominant any individual player is, the more competitive the market is.

For us, it means that competitive markets are better for consumers, and non-competitive markets are better for businesses.

What quite frankly astounds me is the number of consumers on here arguing AGAINST their own interest.
Thanks, that helps.

So when people say having two options isn't competitive, they mean conditions aren't competitive enough to create real market pressures. Still seems very arbitrary to me, but I get it.
 
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Y'all? Laughing ? My point being that if one is to leave for any reason, the impossibly to transfer years of data makes it . Or if you need to work on dual platforms . Now , try to find a way to have years of data imported . I see no denying of such an evidence within your arguments either tbh

I don't deny the superiority and reliability of apple nor am I saying Google is better

I must say though, out of experience android is way less laggy than what you seem to be willing to believe
Having used android the last 16 years, that is definitely false
 
I’m glad you don’t run any kind of big multinational company
I’m glad I don’t either due to the whining we see daily about this so called walled garden. It’s ridiculous that the EU is slowly pushing iOS to be android like.

I actually like Tim Cook but I wish he was more aggressive at times like Steve because Steve would not be taking this as easy as Apple is. After that lightning bs especially. And still nearly a year later I hate USB C.

Im inwardly cringing at RCS and I hope we can disable it. But at least for now IMessage is still iOS only.
 
We DO have a choice. We can choose between Apple and Google (Android). Most people know what they're getting into when they buy an iPhone, and that's what draws them in to begin with. For example, I like how Apple's environment is set up: everything works together beautifully and the App Store is a one-stop-shop for apps, games, and whatever else. I also enjoy the centralized location(s) for music and TV. Some people see this as restrictive, but I prefer things this way.
No, you don’t have a choice as straight forward as that. This article highlights that. Your choice is currently Apple or Android*.

*Unless you’re already with Apple, in which case the transfer from Apple to Android has been made so restrictive that you’ll probably feel forced to stay with Apple because you’re gonna lose your data/photos/contacts or whatever else. This isn’t just an Apple problem, I’m sure Android are just as bad, but it needs getting rid of. They’re purposefully trying to remove that choice from you by making it as awkward and as difficult as possible. I’m not saying it should be forced by the EU for Apple to make a transfer system, nor Google, they’re businesses and they want to make money, but they certainly shouldn’t be doing things to make things as difficult as possible if not impossible. There’s a fine balance and this change addresses that.

Your viewpoint is simply idiotic, and is either based on misplaced patriotism/xenophobia I.e. I must defend this because I’m from ‘Murica, or you have some absolutely unexplainable allegiance to a billion dollar corporation to whom you owe nothing.

Your viewpoint is simply backwards, it’s idiotic, it prevents progression, it prevents freedom to make choices and it benefits no-one but Apple and its shareholders. If we all had your mindset of “I don’t want/need it, therefore it shouldn’t happen” then where would we be? I’m assuming you’re a fully abled/non-disabled person, should we not include accessibility options because you have no need for them?

What the EU is doing is breaking down monopolies, it’s bringing freedom and choice to users, it’s opening pathways to competition and ultimately cheaper pricing on apps etc.

Worse still is forgetting all that, your argument is you like the centralisation of everything, using all of Apple’s solutions, having the App Store, using Apple’s media services etc… guess what? You don’t lose that if the DMA is in place, if you don’t want what the EU is proposing you lose nothing, you can stick with what you know, not use the optional extras they’re proposing and your world doesn’t change, in the meantime those that want those changes and benefit from them, get to enjoy them. Meanwhile, if we did things your way those that should have freedom don’t get it.

Try taking off the rose tinted specs, try not being selfish, try realising that choice is good, try not to just lap up every little line Apple feeds you as the truth, it’s all a spin, they talk about security and whatever else, when all they care about is protecting their bottom line. Try just try having an open mind and thinking of the bigger picture and how you aren’t the only important person in this and if something can be of benefit to millions of others, yet your world can continue as it did, then where’s the harm?

Funniest part is, if these things rolled out worldwide, as much as you object now, I have no doubt in my mind you’d end up enjoying these features and using them. You’d then laud Apple for “pioneering” these changes.

Honestly, the state of some people and the world these days. Selfish, brainwashed attitudes taking us two steps back constantly.
 
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Man Im glad that the EU is fighting back against big tech in general and their monopolistic practices. Someone has to do it and it's not gonna be coming out of the US. Im sick of seeing the way private data is mishandled with no real consequences and how the makers of big platforms rule over everyone like digital lords. Before people start defending tech companies like if they had stockhold syndrom and telling everything "just dont buy it or just dont use it", the argument only holds in a market that has healthy competition, not in a quasi monopolistic one. "Oh you don't like Apple's pratices? Just get an Android (and get all your data exploited by Google)" Two choices isn't synonimous with a competitive market. Governement intervention is required and beneficial when markets fail, as they often do. As much as I love Apple products, Apple also needs to be challenged and held accountable.
Apple doesn’t have a monopoly. Roughly a 1/3 of phones worldwide are iOS and 2/3 are android. Apple only has about 20% of new phone sales, while the rest are split between a number of companies. These are the market dynamics. Crippling Apple’s ability to provide a superior product will not change this; it will not add competition. I appreciate your concern about oligopolies, but you don’t fix the situation by futzing around with the lesser-dominant company’s product and doing nothing to change the competitive landscape.
 
Apple doesn’t have a monopoly. Roughly a 1/3 of phones worldwide are iOS and 2/3 are android. Apple only has about 20% of new phone sales, while the rest are split between a number of companies. These are the market dynamics. Crippling Apple’s ability to provide a superior product will not change this; it will not add competition. I appreciate your concern about oligopolies, but you don’t fix the situation by futzing around with the lesser-dominant company’s product and doing nothing to change the competitive landscape.
You’re missing the point, the App Store makes up 67% of all app purchases and subscriptions across all mobile types. That is a monopoly on App sales, hence all this coming into question.
 
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What's the number then? If two isn't a choice, is three? Four? When is it competition?

I'm not picking on you, @NicosAccount. I've seen this statement several times in this thread, that somehow two platforms, Apple and Android, isn't competition. The statement is just presented as if it's a fact, but clearly there is competition between the two. It sounds completely arbitrary.

So for those of you who say that having two platforms isn't enough for competition, what's the number?
It really depends on what you mean by competitive. It used to be that antitrust laws were interpreted to require at least five or six companies to exist in any given market for the market to be considered competitive. That number has changed over the course of decades in the US to where a court may now entertain as few as two companies.

Behavioral economics on the other hand will tell you that people really want only two or three options when they make a choice. That is, human psychology and inherent cognitive bias is at odds with those who want maximally competitive markets.
 
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You’re missing the point, the App Store makes up 67% of all app purchases and subscriptions across all mobile types. That is a monopoly on App sales, hence all this coming into question.
No, I’m not missing the point. You are changing the goalposts. The post to which I was responding was complaining about the oligopoly created by the dominance of iOS and android.
 
No, you don’t have a choice as straight forward as that. This article highlights that. Your choice is currently Apple or Android*.

*Unless you’re already with Apple, in which case the transfer from Apple to Android has been made so restrictive that you’ll probably feel forced to stay with Apple because you’re gonna lose your data/photos/contacts or whatever else. This isn’t just an Apple problem, I’m sure Android are just as bad, but it needs getting rid of. They’re purposefully trying to remove that choice from you by making it as awkward and as difficult as possible. I’m not saying it should be forced by the EU for Apple to make a transfer system, nor Google, they’re businesses and they want to make money, but they certainly shouldn’t be doing things to make things as difficult as possible if not impossible. There’s a fine balance and this change addresses that.

Your viewpoint is simply idiotic, and is either based on misplaced patriotism/xenophobia I.e. I must defend this because I’m from ‘Murica, or you have some absolutely unexplainable allegiance to a billion dollar corporation to whom you owe nothing.

Your viewpoint is simply backwards, it’s idiotic, it prevents progression, it prevents freedom to make choices and it benefits no-one but Apple and its shareholders. If we all had your mindset of “I don’t want/need it, therefore it shouldn’t happen” then where would we be? I’m assuming you’re a fully abled/non-disabled person, should we not include accessibility options because you have no need for them?

What the EU is doing is breaking down monopolies, it’s bringing freedom and choice to users, it’s opening pathways to competition and ultimately cheaper pricing on apps etc.

Worse still is forgetting all that, your argument is you like the centralisation of everything, using all of Apple’s solutions, having the App Store, using Apple’s media services etc… guess what? You don’t lose that if the DMA is in place, if you don’t want what the EU is proposing you lose nothing, you can stick with what you know, not use the optional extras they’re proposing and your world doesn’t change, in the meantime those that want those changes and benefit from them, get to enjoy them. Meanwhile, if we did things your way those that should have freedom don’t get it.

Try taking off the rose tinted specs, try not being selfish, try realising that choice is good, try not to just lap up every little line Apple feeds you as the truth, it’s all a spin, they talk about security and whatever else, when all they care about is protecting their bottom line. Try just try having an open mind and thinking of the bigger picture and how you aren’t the only important person in this and if something can be of benefit to millions of others, yet your world can continue as it did, then where’s the harm?

Funniest part is, if these things rolled out worldwide, as much as you object now, I have no doubt in my mind you’d end up enjoying these features and using them. You’d then laud Apple for “pioneering” these changes.

Honestly, the state of some people and the world these days. Selfish, brainwashed attitudes taking us two steps back constantly.
Brutal delivery, but true words.
 
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Just some perspective.
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Better, they are cross platform and compatible with all the currently widely used OS's, so: Android, Windows, ChromeOS, MacOS, iOS, Linux.
None of them is locked to a certain ecosystem.

What needs to happen is the entire messaging industry needs to design a low-level Message Interchange Format allowing messages to seamlessly and securely pass between these networks. Then competition can be remain at the surface UX level. If an app doesn't support a particular feature or media type, it's just ignored on the receiving end, maybe with a placeholder indicating such.

Well EU has forced most of these companies to allow interoperability. So I will be able to use Whatapp to send messages to somebody that uses Telegram for example.
 
I wish they would open up iCoud drive. I pay good money for 2tb, but aside the barely working and highly inconvenient web access, I can’t use it on my non Apple devices. It’s highly irritating.
 
I wish they would open up iCoud drive. I pay good money for 2tb, but aside the barely working and highly inconvenient web access, I can’t use it on my non Apple devices. It’s highly irritating.
I use Google Drive between my Mac, iPad and Samsung phone. It works reasonably well.

What I would like is a decent cross platform notes app with handwriting. One Note is the closest I've got, and it's not ideal for my needs.
 
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I wish they would open up iCoud drive. I pay good money for 2tb, but aside the barely working and highly inconvenient web access, I can’t use it on my non Apple devices. It’s highly irritating.
This isn't going to happen. Your only choice is another cloud service like Google Drive. Even Apple uses Google's Cloud for iCloud Storage. If you are sceptical about security because no service is 100% secure, no matter what the companies promise, make your own cloud server at home for your personal use.
 
drop FaceTime in exchange for Google Duo (this physically pains me to type😖), etc., etc.
Why? Duo doesn't exist anymore it was replaced with Google Meet.
And Duo was better than Facetime anyway, most app reviews on App Store were stating this.

Thanks to the power of legislation, now you can create a phone that only an engagement-hungry tech YouTuber could love. :cool:
Yeah and you are not forced to do any of those. Not to mention Xioami launcher is optimized and works only on Xioami phones while Samsung's Browser could very well be better than Safari as it's an excellent browser.
Its really funny to see this adversity to choices or the very idea of having a choice. North Koreans are trained to think like this.
 
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I use Google Drive between my Mac, iPad and Samsung phone. It works reasonably well.

What I would like is a decent cross platform notes app with handwriting. One Note is the closest I've got, and it's not ideal for my needs.
I dont want to use a Google cloud system, I dont use google anything except a Google pixel to install GrapheneOS on. If you ever find this elusive notes app that I have also spent years looking for, let me know!!
This isn't going to happen. Your only choice is another cloud service like Google Drive. Even Apple uses Google's Cloud for iCloud Storage. If you are sceptical about security because no service is 100% secure, no matter what the companies promise, make your own cloud server at home for your personal use.
I do has a server which I use, but icloud is convenient and substantially faster. I have more than a decade of photos on icloud, so I need to pay for a higher storage. I have no idea why I shouldn’t expect it to work cross platform. Google isn’t an option, I use Cryptomator to store things in clouds, but something as all encompassing as iCloud, would need to be replaced with an e2e encrypted option. I’m not giving all my data to google.
 
No idea what are you talking about. I've switched to Pixel and it's a very clean experience. I have sideloaded a couple of apps (which are not available on both Play Store and App Store); other than that, both Android and iOS are very similar, amount of garbage is essentially the same.
Yeah really nice having choices, for example I side-loaded Seal, a very nice open source app that allows you to download videos from different platforms(youtube, tiktok etc). The apps is completely free, no ads or anything and works great.
 
Are you sure about that? What if a company (say Facebook or Zoom just as examples) decides to ONLY offer their app in their own (or a 3rd party) app store, then you're forced to either not use the app you've used for years or go down the path of sourcing apps from a variety of app stores that may or may not be as safe/privacy focused.

I get what you're saying, you're just thinking that developers will never shun the official App Store which I think isn't as much of a slam dunk as you think once the "cat is out of the bag".

If choice is truly the driver, there should be legislation included that also forces app developers to offer their apps via the Apple App store as well (at full feature parity up to what the official App Store T&Cs allows) or else face massive fines. That would then ensure that the current status quo that many Apple users enjoy remains undisturbed.
Why would there be a regulation like that? Apple should compete with other app stores to ensure the apps are listed in their app stores. They can do this by being more responsive to Developers, treat developers with respect (by not arbitrarily rejecting the app updates), change the pricing structure and payment modes, and offer incentives to them for listing them on their Appstore. This is what the alt appstores will be doing, I guess because if they are offering similar features as Apple's Appstores, then why will the developers go to those app stores?
 
It would be like someone buying my book, and then proceeding to tear out the pages and use it as toilet paper.

Sure, the book is yours to do with since you have already paid for it, but if that’s your intent, then I would rather sell one less book than see my work being desecrated like that.
You don't make sense at all.
 
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I am from Australia and 100% against this!
No choice? I can go and buy android and alot of people made that choice and came back
Not sure what freedom this is. You still have the bonus of ignoring something superior and use open android believe me FBI wont knock on your door because I have done it
Then you will be happy to note that something similar will be coming to your country too.

 
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