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Apple to Let EU iPhone Users Delete Safari and More Easily Transition to Android
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Honestly that doesn't sound like a bad idea at all(and I'm talking about the reverse as well). Maybe in the future we will reach this level anyway.
No matter if I quote only the last sentence or your complete argument, in other parts of the world states may restrict what property owners can do. 🤷🏻♂️
On the other hand people don't expect to go to Taco Bell and order a MacDonalds?
If you're referring to android being laggy, you're wrong. Currently on an S24Ultra and its snappier than my 13pro and about the same as my inlaws' 15pros. Importing data into Android is incredibly easy. There are a ton of apps to assist with the process for whatever type of data you want to bring in. What's nearly impossible (or would be, if you're not a tech person), is getting data OUT of iOS in a somewhat efficient way. Getting my 200gb of photos onto my Windows machines involved creating an NTFS link because iCloud for Windows is a piece of trash and doesn't allow you to change the photo storage directory.
Assume you want to open an alt app store. What would you do to be successful? You have to have better relations with the developers than Apple has with the developers. They should have better curated apps, better vetting of the apps, better pricing, better surfacing of apps in searches, better everything. If not, why would people go for those app stores? Why is it not benefiting customers? Am I missing something here?
A lot of this will come down to what users decide to do. I don’t think the App Store is going to be abandoned by users just because alternatives become available. Apple will do whatever it can to try to keep the App Store viable in the new competitive environment which means app developers will very likely continue to want to have a presence there. The much more likely result is going to be the same app being available in multiple stores INCLUDING the App Store.
Now, If Apple wants people to choose Safari, they have to make it better. Earlier, they just had to have a sub-par browser (which it is, btw) because there was no choice. Looks like you do not want a better Safari or better anything.
Unless Apple offers them better terms. And that is how things should be. Piggy backing on banks and shafting them is not a good strategy, Apple seems to be finding out.
That's not how it was a few years ago when you could subscribe to Spotify through the iOS app and the Spotify website. It was cheaper to do so on the website.
New app store competition will drive Apple and the alternatives to find various new/different ways to attract or keep customers (both app developers and users). In the end, competition and choice can be very good for customers.
So, you have not read the text of the Apple 1.84 billion euro fine decision. Maybe you should read it to understand the concerns and determine whether they are justified or not?
Maybe you should petition Apple to get them back on the Appstore by offering them better terms and treating them fairly.
That’s the beauty of opinions, mate.
I would hope an s24 would be snappier than an iPhone released in 2021. Like thats not the flex you think it is mate.
I have no issues with getting photos to and from my windows(surface pros).
I know lagdroid fans brag about the higher specs but for many android devices (android is way more then s series and Pixels fyi) android is still a laggy mess and the google ecosystem is terrible.
I’m not I despise these new changes since the
15.
I’ve only just started to use widgets because they are still uniquely iOS and not totally like android.
What I think you are missing is that you put developers and developer relations in the first seat. And you think this automatically creates a better experience for end users. I absolutely do not think that. Apple prioritizes end users, developers are welcome but only if they follow rules. And I think that is why iOS is so successful and has more users willing to spend money even though iOS has a much smaller share of devices than Android.
I think the DMA destroys this success of iOS to the detriment of their (ordinary) users.
I also think that developer types and computer nerd people (heard here on MR) will never forgive Apple for not producing an iOS system that puts THEM in first seat hence all the hate here.
I have been developing software for 40 years so I can understand how nerds and developers think. But I know that this is not how other people think.
Would you buy from an alt Appstore that treats you badly? If the alt appstores have to stay afloat, they have to be better than Apple in many ways. If they treat users badly, why would you buy from them? Apple could get away so far because they had no competition. Now they will also compete on all these metrics. Better for the users.
Android already has these and there are no crashes there so we think we will be fine.
Well to be fair not very many people use the Android to iOS transition when you look at it as a percentage of the user base. Even at 0.1% of iOS users going back that is still a very high raw number but statistically a small number. Same the other way around.
Biggest difference is Android makes it pretty easy. I swapped a few years ago and most of the things just worked and was straight forward. Google made importing over everything easy. It pulled from my Google Contacts and pulled them over. Email photos again pulled them over. The other direction is a different story. Apple makes it fairly hard to export contacts, export photos and so on.
I think the largest loss for me was text messages got lost but that is more due to the fact that Apple does not allow anything but iMessage to mess with the SMS. Google allows it to be backed up and moved between devices just fine and no matter what App I used for SMS it would allow it to swap between them with out issue. It was nice for at least SMS as multiple apps could read and send them with their own system. Most of the time I just used the default in the end but it was handing at times.
Making a data export I believe strongly is important and something super long over due. Sadly Apple will not open it up until other countries force them to do it.
I like that EU regulations are making Apple show their true colors.
It's actually MORE WORK for them to make this only work in the EU. They are going OUT OF THEIR WAY to exclude the rest of the world from being able to choose a default browser, default navigation app, and so on.
I really hope this bites them in the arse as other governments see this behavior and use it as evidence in more anti-trust cases against Apple. They could have just made these changes for everyone, but their going out of their way to exclude other countries shows that they deliberately make it harder to use other companies' apps.
It's actually MORE WORK for them to make this only work in the EU. They are going OUT OF THEIR WAY to exclude the rest of the world from being able to choose a default browser, default navigation app, and so on.
I really hope this bites them in the arse as other governments see this behavior and use it as evidence in more anti-trust cases against Apple. They could have just made these changes for everyone, but their going out of their way to exclude other countries shows that they deliberately make it harder to use other companies' apps.