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ACCC has been pretty good so far. It would be disappointing to see them do something stupid as EU where they are just punishing other companies rather than putting in policies that enable homegrown technology companies.
 
Again, definitions of monopoly can vary. As I pointed out, Microsoft was declared a monopoly in computer operating systems yet they weren't the only company in that market. Monopolistic competition is not an oxymoron.

Other terms like duopoly or oligopoly can also refer to two or more major players in a market.
No. Microsoft was not declared a monopoly. They settled a case accusing them of anti-competitive practices before it was adjudicated. That’s quite a bit different from being declared a monopoly.
 
The EU is making a mess of Apple's carefully-crafted ecosystem.

Consumers *always* had choice. If they didn't like Apple's model, they go buy an Android. That choice is not being fixed by this DMA. It's just trying to turn iOS into Android, and that should be illegal.
Consumers still have choice. They can choose not to use all these new features Apple is adding to iOS and simply use the all Apple ecosystem as before.

-kp
 
Consumers still have choice. They can choose not to use all these new features Apple is adding to iOS and simply use the all Apple ecosystem as before.

-kp
You are correct. The choice is to use only those parts of the system which have been carefully designed by Apple vs. those parts which have been politically engineered by government bureaucrats responding to pressure from moneyed interests. Of course, the user will have to guess which is which and make their way through the FUD by promoted by malevolent interests and their useful idiots.
 
Please answer a few questions to help me gain insight into the supposed competition it is encouraging.

On 90% of iPhones in the EU (From Statista)
  1. What is the default search engine? Google?
  2. What is the most popular browser? Chrome? Google....Chrome?
  3. What is the most popular social media app? Facebook?
  4. What is the dominant Messaging App? WhatsApp? Messenger? Both owned by Facebook? So much so that the EU had to back down from listing iMessage as a Gatekeeper?
  5. What is the dominant music app? Spotify?
Next question......which one of the above is owned by Apple? If you said "The iPhone", you are correct. So, how is Apple a monopoly?
you are aware that first 4 points will get same treatment as apple under DMA right?


Google was great an now it's just a monopoly. Same with chrome, which is basically forced.

Everyone is on fb/insta/WhatsApp fue to snowball effect (everyone is there and it's a walled garden so migrating to different platform is night to impossible).

And that's the whole idea of DMA and regulation - make the platform more open (interop) and give users more choice (ancient browser selection screen).

You are talking here from apple perspective but it's not the single entity that's being "punished" but obviously macrumors focus mostly on it...
 
iOS will become a cesspool just like Android very soon if the EU keeps pushing. Can't wait to see Samsung's bloatware and the various garbage launchers.
Ah yes, launchers on iOS, the platform notorious for having a way to change the default Home screen implementation that makes Android's one pale in comparison.
 
Great.
Is this symmetric, so that someone who wants to move from the dominant Android platform into iOS and its native apps is just as easy?
That's been a thing for quite some time. Introducing, the Move to iOS app.
 
Well to be fair not very many people use the Android to iOS transition when you look at it as a percentage of the user base. Even at 0.1% of iOS users going back that is still a very high raw number but statistically a small number. Same the other way around.
Biggest difference is Android makes it pretty easy. I swapped a few years ago and most of the things just worked and was straight forward. Google made importing over everything easy. It pulled from my Google Contacts and pulled them over. Email photos again pulled them over. The other direction is a different story. Apple makes it fairly hard to export contacts, export photos and so on.

I think the largest loss for me was text messages got lost but that is more due to the fact that Apple does not allow anything but iMessage to mess with the SMS. Google allows it to be backed up and moved between devices just fine and no matter what App I used for SMS it would allow it to swap between them with out issue. It was nice for at least SMS as multiple apps could read and send them with their own system. Most of the time I just used the default in the end but it was handing at times.

Making a data export I believe strongly is important and something super long over due. Sadly Apple will not open it up until other countries force them to do it.

I spent 3 months on android last year because I didn't want to take my Pro iPhone somewhere particularly iffy. If you have a Mac it's pretty easy getting the data out I found. Incidentally I don't mind Android that much. If I didn't have a lot of Apple stuff already and I wasn't feeling like a cheap ass I might even still be on it.

However I agree there needs to be something like Google Takeout for Apple's ecosystem. I am very much not a fan of the device first admin stuff. Also some of the file formats and data repositories that Apple use are definitely not portable. I literally have a portability risk list here and the key problems are:
  • you can't export notes
  • you can't export reminders
  • Numbers/Pages file formats are completely different to anything else.
  • Photos metadata is impossible to export
  • iMessage history is impossible to export
I heavily rely on reminders which is the biggest risk.
 
We DO have a choice. We can choose between Apple and Google (Android). Most people know what they're getting into when they buy an iPhone, and that's what draws them in to begin with. For example, I like how Apple's environment is set up: everything works together beautifully and the App Store is a one-stop-shop for apps, games, and whatever else. I also enjoy the centralized location(s) for music and TV. Some people see this as restrictive, but I prefer things this way.
And nothing is taken away from that statement in the EU. There are just some other stores around the corner. But you can just stay in the Main Street if you prefer.
 
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No. Microsoft was not declared a monopoly. They settled a case accusing them of anti-competitive practices before it was adjudicated. That’s quite a bit different from being declared a monopoly.

In November 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson declared Microsoft a monopoly in computer operating systems.
 
A closed ecosystem. Where you have no choice. It’s weird people in the US are so against freedom and choice nowadays. People in the EU are still enjoying the EXACT same ecosystem as before. But have the bonus of more options, which they can ignore.
Yeah, I want the high commissions to continue. Apple isn't giving up that profit, so if commissions decrease, device and Apple service costs will increase.

These companies have hundreds of millions of users on iOS andmake millions off the iOS ecosystem. Making them cover some costs and share some profits is wholly reasonable.
 
Yeah, I want the high commissions to continue. Apple isn't giving up that profit, so if commissions decrease, device and Apple service costs will increase.

These companies have hundreds of millions of users on iOS andmake millions off the iOS ecosystem. Making them cover some costs and share some profits is wholly reasonable.
Don’t you worry about the richest tech company in the world. They are creative enough to get their hands on your money. No matter what.
 
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Lol you shared similar article with vague information again!
Nothing changed since last comment
Of course nothing has changed. You have to wait for Australian Anti-trust (or anti competition commission) to take action. Obviously, they will not have taken that action between my two posts. It is easy to obtain the same information by Googling or searching for ABC news in the YouTube. :)
 
I can't wait to see their statistics of how many people don't use any of this.
So you think if some killer app comes along that regular iOS users aren’t allowed to run by Apple, people will look the other way around?

Guess again. People will download anything if there’s something in it for them.
 
So you think if some killer app comes along that regular iOS users aren’t allowed to run by Apple, people will look the other way around?

Guess again. People will download anything if there’s something in it for them.

I think it's more that people barely know how to use their devices already so this will only have an impact for a very small subset of power users who both show interest and are capable. This is an observation from spending a lot of time over the last 5 years being "the IT guy" on day trips and expeditions with large groups.

A fine example being I've seen people consider buying a new phone very recently because theirs won't charge quickly. This turns out to be that they bought a crap USB-C cable or charger, not because there is anything wrong with the phone. The software knowledge is between worse and none.

I would not make any assumption that the people here represent the average user. We are on whole from what I can see definitely more interested, because we're here to start with, and definitely capable based on the quality of the discussion generally.
 

This is why Apple should just have stopped selling the iPhone in the EU and just sold an Android phone in the EU instead. Because now Australia and other countries might want the same thing now.

Tim Cook made a huge mistake.
 
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So you think if some killer app comes along that regular iOS users aren’t allowed to run by Apple, people will look the other way around?

Guess again. People will download anything if there’s something in it for them.
There doesn’t even need to be something in it for them. They just need to think there is. They also won’t read the terms of service nor will they pay attention to warnings on the computer. This is why social engineering and Trojans work.
 
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