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Apple to Let EU iPhone Users Delete Safari and More Easily Transition to Android

Aoligei said:
Sure. My devices my choice. I can install custom rom on my Pixel, this is why I buy Pixel phones.

One thing EU can do is force Apple release firmware code, so developer can make device drivers.
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Yeah, I hate to be that guy, but iOS isn’t Android.

All of my fellow Apple fans on here who are threatening to leave the ecosystem should just do it already. You’ll be happier.
 
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NicosAccount said:
You're 100% right to say that regulation has an impact on markets and you have every right to value product innovation and above all. That is what the US values, but don't think that the US government doesn't influence markets. It does, it just influences it in favor of businesses as opposed to in favor of the population. Other countries might value things like free healthcare for all, free higher education, better access to social services and a general reduction of inequalities to, among other things, lower crime and increase the quality of life of all its citizens. But hey, having a new phone every year is also nice though
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Of course the US government interferes. That’s why I said less than in other countries. We still have far less regulation and taxes imposed on our people, which creates these opportunities for profit. Profit is the biggest incentive for innovation. When companies are crushed under regulation, they don’t innovate. Imagine if the US were like the EU. There are so many innovations that make life easier for all of us that wouldn’t exist. The two most dominant phones are by American companies. Without Google and Apple, we’d be using crappy phones with physical keyboards right now. The Internet would look far different, assuming it exists at all, seeing as the Internet came from Arpanet, an old network between the military and educational institutions.

Don’t fool yourself. The DMA isn’t for the people. It’s for protecting EU companies like Spotify. In America, we’d laugh if someone in government tried to help Spotify with a market share higher than all other competitors combined over the fourth place company. We’d think that was ludicrous, boosting the market leader. We also see the DMA moves against Apple as helping Google with their 70%+ market share against the minority share company. Here, if Spotify isn’t smart enough to send emails to their customers telling them how to sign up on the web, they deserve to lose. We don’t force companies to advertise for other companies. Companies that look to government to compete should fail.
 
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tobybrut said:
Of course the US government interferes. That’s why I said less than in other countries. We still have far less regulation and taxes imposed on our people, which creates these opportunities for profit. Profit is the biggest incentive for innovation. When companies are crushed under regulation, they don’t innovate. Imagine if the US were like the EU. There are so many innovations that make life easier for all of us that wouldn’t exist. The two most dominant phones are by American companies. Without Google and Apple, we’d be using crappy phones with physical keyboards right now. The Internet would look far different, assuming it exists at all, seeing as the Internet came from Arpanet, an old network between the military and educational institutions.

Don’t fool yourself. The DMA isn’t for the people. It’s for protecting EU companies like Spotify. In America, we’d laugh if someone in government tried to help Spotify with a market share higher than all other competitors combined over the fourth place company. We’d think that was ludicrous, boosting the market leader. We also see the DMA moves against Apple as helping Google with their 70%+ market share against the minority share company. Here, if Spotify isn’t smart enough to send emails to their customers telling them how to sign up on the web, they deserve to lose. We don’t force companies to advertise for other companies. Companies that look to government to compete should fail.
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Bingo. This isn’t about “the people” at all. It’s about moving money and influence from one mega-billion dollar corporation to another.
 
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stefanovago said:
Ever heard of the “Bruxelles effect”? I guess not
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French?

It’s “Brussels” here in the States.

EDIT: I reread my comment and I think I come off as a smart-aleck. That was not my intent. Sorry for the inadvertent mistake. I was just clarifying how we say it here, although “Bruxelles” is more exotic in my opinion.
 
By this time next year, it might be possible for EU users to buy a brand-new iPhone, and replace Safari with Samsung Browser, replace the home screen with Xiaomi Launcher, swap Siri with Google Gemini, drop FaceTime in exchange for Google Duo (this physically pains me to type😖), etc., etc.

Thanks to the power of legislation, now you can create a phone that only an engagement-hungry tech YouTuber could love. :cool:
 
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coffeemilktea said:
By this time next year, it might be possible for EU users to buy a brand-new iPhone, and replace Safari with Samsung Browser, replace the home screen with Xiaomi Launcher, swap Siri with Google Gemini, drop FaceTime in exchange for Google Duo (this physically pains me to type😖), etc., etc.

Thanks to the power of legislation, now you can create a phone that only an engagement-hungry tech YouTuber could love. :cool:
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Serious question. Wouldn’t that absolutely kill battery life and eat up RAM?

We’ve seen what Chrome does on Macs and PCs in terms of RAM usage. Imagine that on a 6 GB based iPhone. 😱
 
NicosAccount said:
Man Im glad that the EU is fighting back against big tech in general and their monopolistic practices. Someone has to do it and it's not gonna be coming out of the US. Im sick of seeing the way private data is mishandled with no real consequences and how the makers of big platforms rule over everyone like digital lords. Before people start defending tech companies like if they had stockhold syndrom and telling everything "just dont buy it or just dont use it", the argument only holds in a market that has healthy competition, not in a quasi monopolistic one. "Oh you don't like Apple's pratices? Just get an Android (and get all your data exploited by Google)" Two choices isn't synonimous with a competitive market. Governement intervention is required and beneficial when markets fail, as they often do. As much as I love Apple products, Apple also needs to be challenged and held accountable.
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I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but if you think the EU is fighting against big tech with your best interests in mind... well... they aren't.
 
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TigerNike23 said:
Serious question. Wouldn’t that absolutely kill battery life and eat up RAM?

We’ve seen what Chrome does on Macs and PCs in terms of RAM usage. Imagine that on a 6 GB based iPhone. 😱
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Existing browsers on iOS don't really seem to have that problem, but at the same time, they're really just Safari with a few different features. Once iOS browsers that are not based on Apple's WebKit technology become mainstream, I guess we'll see for sure. 🤔

...but my guess is that it'll be fine, since mid-range or even budget Android devices also run similar browsers without a problem. But at the same time, the more people replace any phone's default system apps with 3rd party alternatives, the more technical issues are likely to pop up. :p
 
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hagar said:
A closed ecosystem. Where you have no choice. It’s so weird that people in the US are so against freedom and choice nowadays. People in the EU are still enjoying the EXACT same ecosystem as before. But have the bonus of more options, which they can ignore.
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I want to play AAA games on Mac. Game developers should be forced to port their games to Mac at their development cost.
 
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They are just getting ready for the EU to tell them they have to start running Andiord on the iPhone.
 
TigerNike23 said:
Millions of people would leave iOS and just get a free iMessage account for their $200 android devices.
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You’re being sarcastic, but this just shows how silly it is that Apple is so very afraid of making iMessage multi-platform.
 
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hagar said:
A closed ecosystem. Where you have no choice. It’s so weird that people in the US are so against freedom and choice nowadays. People in the EU are still enjoying the EXACT same ecosystem as before. But have the bonus of more options, which they can ignore.
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Not true. If I have an app I love and they decide to eschew the AppStore and only available from an alterantive App store I will then have to add yet another complication to downloading and updating.
 
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hagar said:
A closed ecosystem. Where you have no choice. It’s so weird that people in the US are so against freedom and choice nowadays. People in the EU are still enjoying the EXACT same ecosystem as before. But have the bonus of more options, which they can ignore.
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No one is forcing you to use an iPhone.

I buy Apple products for that closed ecosystem.
 
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klasma said:
You’re being sarcastic, but this just shows how silly it is that Apple is so very afraid of making iMessage multi-platform.
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I’m being somewhat serious. iMessage is almost nothing in the rest of the world, but that blue bubble is HUGE here in the US. To open it up to Windows or even Android, that pretty much would be the end of Apple’s iPhone dominance here in America. Seriously, surveys have been done which show people would leave iPhone if they had the opportunity for iMessage or FaceTime outside of an Apple device.
 
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