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Apple to Let EU iPhone Users Delete Safari and More Easily Transition to Android

gund1234 said:
iPhone hardware is great, but iOS lacks customizations, really hope EU will force Apple to make their hardware compatible with Android and Linux mobile OS.
EU should force apple to work with Linux and Gggole to make it work smoothly :)
or force Apple to make their A/M series processor design open source to increase competition. :)
we all can benefit from this, world will be a better place.
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So, you want Apple to go out of business?

Go take a look at the time of Mac clones. Apple was so far down, they had to look up to see the ground.
 
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boswald said:
We DO have a choice. We can choose between Apple and Google (Android). Most people know what they're getting into when they buy an iPhone, and that's what draws them in to begin with. For example, I like how Apple's environment is set up: everything works together beautifully and the App Store is a one-stop-shop for apps, games, and whatever else. I also enjoy the centralized location(s) for music and TV. Some people see this as restrictive, but I prefer things this way.
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One man’s garden is another man’s prison 😉

The biggest hurdle in being platform agnostic is cloud storage. It isn’t easy enough to move between iOS and Android at will until Apple release an iCloud client for Android. This will then facilitate well with the Mac and iPad.

Apple would still be a niche computer manufacturer selling only to creative clients if they had never made the iPod compatible with Windows.

There is value in them opening up their services to Android and Windows more and it doesn’t hurt anyone who likes the Apple ecosystem, me included.
 
The EU love banning things in the name of choice. The irony.

One of the benefits of Brexit for UK residents is that they can just sail along as usual, without being regulated and controlled all the time...

Just let customers decide.

If you want to use Android, use Android. I don't care. But don't weaken my iPhone's security or start opening doors to the Googles of this world...
 
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iObama said:
Praise the Universe for the EU. Long overdue.

edit: LOL all the angry votes!!! Keep defending those trillion dollar companies and their centibillionaire CEOs while you barely make a living wage ♥️
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Keep looking down on those who are more successful than yourself and you will likely always be earning a barely livable wage.
 
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hagar said:
A closed ecosystem. Where you have no choice. It’s so weird that people in the US are so against freedom and choice nowadays. People in the EU are still enjoying the EXACT same ecosystem as before. But have the bonus of more options, which they can ignore.
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It won’t be the same. Not when you have to download several of your favourite apps through different places. When a particular app is available only through that particular store.

It’ll just make you go back to 2007 when there was no App Store. There’s a reason why Mac only developers are still small in size compared to all the new age iOS developers. It’s visibility and ease. Because if there’s one store where all your apps are and all your customers are. Your app is potentially only one search away. In the many years I’ve used my phone and laptop. I’ve downloaded like 500 apps on my iPhone, but on my mac and pc combined I will never reach that level, because everything exists on the internet. And I’m not a techie. I’m an above average consumer who puts a lot of effort. My friends family don’t even know half of what apps are on the App Store, let alone the entire internet.

maybe because of the platform fees apple is levying, Companies may not launch alternative stores as of now. But some alternatives will come up. Only time will tell whether they succeed or fail.

It’s an option for a consumer, no doubt, but it’s an old option. And no one is successful in that option, neither the developer, nor customer, nor the marketplace.
 
hans1972 said:
You can be impacted even if you don't use any of the new stuff the DMA require.

I'm pretty sure, the DMA will make my experience as a Safari user on Mac worse over time.
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Apple has the faith of Safari in their own hands. If it’s market share they’re after they could release the best browser in the world for Windows, Linux and Android.
 
gatorvet96 said:
Not true. If I have an app I love and they decide to eschew the AppStore and only available from an alterantive App store I will then have to add yet another complication to downloading and updating.
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Then vote with your money and buy a competing app from the App Store. Make them go back.

It’s like people don’t understand how the free market works anymore.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
People seem strangely averse to "options"
I really don't understand it - at all

Apparently going to the restaurant and being force fed from only the Appetizers menu is somehow desirable for all meals at all times.
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Yeah… it’s a thing called the paradox of choice. Or analysis paralysis. Choices confuse, and too many lead to one simply making no choice. That’s why, to stick to your terrible analogy that didn’t help your cause, good restaurants have short menus. And to continue on why that’s a bad example, the restaurant has a menu… of only what they serve. You can’t go into Hell’s Kitchen and order McDonald’s. Sorry.
 
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Macaholic868 said:
They were behind the times just like almost all democratic governments are when it comes to technology and the law. At least they’ve done a course correction on that. Unlike here in the USA. Better late than never but I do believe that it’s only for a matter of time before some of what the EU has mandated via their laws are put in place over here and in other democracies as well.

Apple has said this will massively decrease security and now we’ll have an actual test bed with a large enough population and number of countries to see if Apple’s doomsday scenario comes to pass (here’s a hint, it won’t) and should I be mistaken and it does then we can leave Apple be. What actually happens will be somewhere in the middle. There will be things that work and make the experience much better for consumers and Apple’s competitors and some aspects that do decrease security in a way that should be reconsidered though how much of the latter will be up for debate.

This whole excersize is going to be a net positive for other democracies who will be watching closely to see if they should follow suit and to what extent. I’m excited. My only wish is that Apple gave us the same options over here. Let end users fill out and sign a waiver saying they won’t hold Apple responsible if their device gets pwned. It’s not like they are responsible for that now anyway so open it up already. If you know how to jailbreak your device you’ve already done so at some point. I jail broke my own iPhone years ago back in the iPhone 5 and 6 days and didn’t find enough compelling non-Apple approved apps to make it worth the security risk involved with passing on new OS updates and the new features that came along with them until it was confirmed that a jail broken device using the method in question would still work post update or, if it wouldn’t anymore, that a new method for jailbreaking the new version of iOS had arrived so you could jail break it again.

I think you’ll see the same scenario that happened when music firms finally agreed to stop selling their tracks through iTunes and other services with DRM. There wasn’t this massive shift to piracy as a result as they all claimed there would be. Those who were willing to pirate already were and continued to do it but it made life a lot easier for those of us willing to pay a little more for a song without DRM who didn’t want those stupid restrictions.

I believe the same will be true of iOS devices and alternative App Stores. At the end of the day most users are going to want to get their apps from Apple’s App Store because it’s there and is the default Apple supported option right out of the box. This with a sense of adventure willing to go to a little more trouble will do so and Apple will need to lower it’s ridiculously overpriced fees for being the middle man to attract popular games and some other apps back to it’s native platform which is good for the market and good for consumers and the resulting instances of mass security breaches, etc that Apple is warning about will never come to pass and those who don’t want to deal with fees at all will still jail break their devices to get around all of the Apple imposed restrictions just as they already do.
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Honestly, I am more concerned with every app turning into a subscription rather than whether they will be lower priced by being on another App Store or Apple taking a lesser %.

I doubt alternative app stores will make much of a dent. There is no compelling reasons that they will not close shop after a few years and your apps are lost forever or the hassle to transfer over later on etc.

The issue of security is very true. If something happens because of a rouge app on another app store, it will be blamed on Apple no matter what.

At the end of the day, it’s only the likes of Epic (with Fornite), Microsoft (Game Pass), and any other big corporations that will benefit with their own stores.
 
coolfactor said:
Just some perspective.
  • Is WhatsApp open?
  • Is Signal open?
  • Is Skype open?
  • Is Telegram open?
  • Is Viber open?
  • Is Slack open?
What needs to happen is the entire messaging industry needs to design a low-level Message Interchange Format allowing messages to seamlessly and securely pass between these networks.

Then competition can be remain at the surface UX level. If an app doesn't support a particular feature or media type, it's just ignored on the receiving end, maybe with a placeholder indicating such.
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WhatsApp and Messenger will become interoperable with others. They have to request WhatsApp/Messenger and they will work with them to make it interoperable. The rest of them are not gatekeepers. However, they (Signal/Telegram/Viber/Slack) might request interoperability with WhatsApp/Messenger and we will have interoperability.

engineering.fb.com

Making messaging interoperability with third parties safe for users in Europe

To comply with a new EU law, the Digital Markets Act (DMA), which comes into force on March 7th, we’ve made major changes to WhatsApp and Messenger to enable interoperability with third-party messa…
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hagar said:
Then vote with your money and buy a competing app from the App Store. Make them go back.

It’s like people don’t understand how the free market works anymore.
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Do you know what a free market is? Do you think a digital marketplace owned by a corporation can be considered a free market?
It’s like people don’t understand simple economic concepts anymore.
 
turbineseaplane said:
People seem strangely averse to "options"
I really don't understand it - at all

Apparently going to the restaurant and being force fed from only the Appetizers menu is somehow desirable for all meals at all times.
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The thing about options is that it’s welcome only when it gives people more of what they want, rather than saddle them with more problems that they need to contend with.

For someone who is already able to get all the apps they need inside the iOS app stores, the DMA risks adding an extra layer of complexity should developers decide to pull their apps from the main App Store and make them available only in a third party App Store. Especially if they find themselves unable to update said app because they have been outside the EU for more than a month. You are also look at other inconveniences like not being able to manage a subscription within the App Store, the loss of Sign in with Apple or ATT, or not being able to pay with iTunes. And this is what comes to mind at the moment. There may well be other downsides or ramifications we aren’t yet aware of.

Thsts the thing with all you people parroting “you don’t have to sideload if you don’t want to”. There are going to be downsides, and I have no idea why you are all so adamant in insisting that it’s all pure upside. Would it kill you to admit that yes, some people may inevitably end up being impacted negatively (unintended consequences is a real thing), we are just going to have to live with it, and that’s just the way the cookie crumbles?

Or are you all afraid that even the slightest implication that it won’t all be a bed of roses will somehow nullify your entire argument?
 
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gk_brown said:
As I'm sure you're aware, open and cross-platform are not the same.

Protocols should be open. Then any UI can interoperate with any service.
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I agree - but if Apple won't do that, I'd take a client on other platforms instead
Anything other than the current situation would be tremendous
 
boswald said:
We DO have a choice. We can choose between Apple and Google (Android). Most people know what they're getting into when they buy an iPhone, and that's what draws them in to begin with. For example, I like how Apple's environment is set up: everything works together beautifully and the App Store is a one-stop-shop for apps, games, and whatever else. I also enjoy the centralized location(s) for music and TV. Some people see this as restrictive, but I prefer things this way.
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Apple also has a choice, comply to sell in the EU or pull out. Let us see what they will choose.
 
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j26 said:
Fair point - although Samsung is as bad on notes.

I need a multi platform notes app, and OneNote is the only one that seems to fit the bill. It’s not great for what I want it to do.
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google keep / google docs?
 
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