I suspect the majority won't. Which does kind of make a mockery of those who oppose these changes. After all, you as the consumer can make the choice. If you decide to leave everything default, that is also a choice.
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When you do that can I install the XBox OS on a PS5?
You can try. Apple is just under no obligation to make the process any easier for you (like what they did with jailbreaking).next. can i have Android OS on my iPhone? it my device i bought, i own it, i can do whatever i want.
Yeah, the EU isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
In the end, this will primarily benefit other businesses which compete with Apple. Will it help consumers? I have my doubts. Instead of paying for Spotify through the App Store, you’ll pay the exact same price through Spotify. Does that benefit the user? Not really. Does it save Spotify $$$ to take in more profits? Absolutely.
The problem with this line of reasoning is that iOS is a monopoly regardless of whether Apple has sold one billon iPhones, or just 1, simply by virtue of you not being able to run any other OS on it. It's like saying that Nintendo has a monopoly on Nintendo Switch consoles, because even if a third party is able to replicate the hardware, they lack access to the software running on it, or access to the Switch App Store, and therefore would not be able to make an equivalent product. It's technically true, but it doesn't really mean anything, because he can still release his own competing console. That he may lack the resources to do so is not the problem or the concern of any other party.
Same here. The reason why there are only 2 main smartphone OSes today is because the market has decided that it is simply not financially feasible to support a third offering. Developers may not want to support a third App Store either. It is no longer enough to come up with a new smartphone model. You need to be able to offer (and sustain) your own competing ecosystem and App Store if you want consumers to consider your product over android or iOS.
So in summary, I really don't see Apple as a monopoly because they are not stopping new entrants into the market. It's everyone else who has decided that they are not going to compete because of the huge financial barriers to entry. It's a "them" problem, not Apple's.
Everyone just wants to hate on Apple because it's categorically cool to do so. It was the case when Apple was still the underdog, it was the case over the last decade when Apple was perennially one flop away from implosion by some new Android offering, and now, I am, if the narrative is to be believed, trapped inside a massive walled garden, while government regulators are viewed as the only entity capable of protecting Apple users like myself from Apple.
Anyone believing this narrative is only setting themselves up for failure, and continue disappointment. That's why I am not really worried over what is going on with the EU. It's all just noise by people looking someone to blame for market failures (*cough* Spotify *cough*) when the problem is found internally with a bad vision, inadequate corporate culture, and lack of understanding as to what makes Apple unique.
Thanks - I'll give that a go.
You can be impacted even if you don't use any of the new stuff the DMA require.
I'm pretty sure, the DMA will make my experience as a Safari user on Mac worse over time.
See that’s the thing.
All these giants (Microsoft, etc.) were there and the EU CHOSE to let them die and not interfere in the market. They effectively CHOSE the current “winners”.
The market is defined by the EU and any other government. It’s their responsibility to ensure there wasn’t going to be a duopoly (not a monopoly).
They are now CHOOSING to side with companies lead by Epic, and whomever they see deemed worthy of assisting. They are CHOOSING winners and losers. (And yes, I am fully aware EU does not have a total ‘free market” by definition.)
See this is the thing. I recall Apple was the first company to have services to assist Android users to iOS. It’s fine if the EU wants Apple to do that for iOS users to Android. But this is a hypocrisy. I don’t see Android companies doing the same or even EU demanding that?
If EU is going to apply this on Apple, it needs to do that on all smartphone companies and OSs.
Here, EU is CHOOSING winners and losers again.
Also, does anyone read this to mean that every bank in the EU is going to be offering their own contactless payment solution in the own app, and that Apple Pay will likely not be supported for much longer?
O boy... are Americans really that ill-informed, ignorant or downright stupid? I bet 90% of the people responding here have absolutely no clue about what the EU is, what it does and how it works. As much as I love Apple as a brand, Tim Cook and his pals are no saints. In ways Apple behaves like the robber barons of the 19th century. The same goes for Google, Amazon and Microsoft. The EU has every right to protect European consumers, it's one of the reasons the EU exists in the first place.
Agree. And they will setup poor experience for their users in EU.
See, this is the thing. I think of Pokemon Go every time we talk about App Store revenue.
They are on the App Store and you can pay through Apple/iOS. Yet, if players want to pay through Pokemon Go’s webstore, they get extra in game currency for doing so.
Why can’t all these other companies do that? No one is preventing them to. So I don’t see this is Apple‘s problem but these companies who are lazy to facilitate that.. or have alternative motives.
Oh God No!
Our LG TV is breaking my heart with the lagging and stuttering.
We don’t want to be forced to use alternate app stores. Complicates the whole reason we have iOS. In before someone says, “you don’t have to”. Nonsense some of the apps we all use will decide to go to other stores to save money. Then we will be a fragmented and difficult to use as an Android phone. Leave our iPhone along.
Apple is actually doing a number of things to comply with the DMA requirements including allowing sideloading, alternative app stores, alternative browser engines, removal of preinstalled apps, and more. Apple has even created an internal DMA Complication Function, appointed a Head of DMA Compliance and a DMA Compliance Officer.
Apple wouldn't be doing all of this if they were planning to exit the EU. They are doing all of this so they can stay in the EU.
Chrome isn't the default browser on a stock installation of Mac or Windows, and yet it's the most commonly used browser on both OSs. So it seems quite possible that most people will jump on the option to replace Safari with Chrome.
They were behind the times just like almost all democratic governments are when it comes to technology and the law. At least they’ve done a course correction on that. Unlike here in the USA. Better late than never but I do believe that it’s only for a matter of time before some of what the EU has mandated via their laws are put in place over here and in other democracies as well.
Apple has said this will massively decrease security and now we’ll have an actual test bed with a large enough population and number of countries to see if Apple’s doomsday scenario comes to pass (here’s a hint, it won’t) and should I be mistaken and it does then we can leave Apple be. What actually happens will be somewhere in the middle. There will be things that work and make the experience much better for consumers and Apple’s competitors and some aspects that do decrease security in a way that should be reconsidered though how much of the latter will be up for debate.
This whole excersize is going to be a net positive for other democracies who will be watching closely to see if they should follow suit and to what extent. I’m excited. My only wish is that Apple gave us the same options over here. Let end users fill out and sign a waiver saying they won’t hold Apple responsible if their device gets pwned. It’s not like they are responsible for that now anyway so open it up already. If you know how to jailbreak your device you’ve already done so at some point. I jail broke my own iPhone years ago back in the iPhone 5 and 6 days and didn’t find enough compelling non-Apple approved apps to make it worth the security risk involved with passing on new OS updates and the new features that came along with them until it was confirmed that a jail broken device using the method in question would still work post update or, if it wouldn’t anymore, that a new method for jailbreaking the new version of iOS had arrived so you could jail break it again.
I think you’ll see the same scenario that happened when music firms finally agreed to stop selling their tracks through iTunes and other services with DRM. There wasn’t this massive shift to piracy as a result as they all claimed there would be. Those who were willing to pirate already were and continued to do it but it made life a lot easier for those of us willing to pay a little more for a song without DRM who didn’t want those stupid restrictions.
I believe the same will be true of iOS devices and alternative App Stores. At the end of the day most users are going to want to get their apps from Apple’s App Store because it’s there and is the default Apple supported option right out of the box. This with a sense of adventure willing to go to a little more trouble will do so and Apple will need to lower it’s ridiculously overpriced fees for being the middle man to attract popular games and some other apps back to it’s native platform which is good for the market and good for consumers and the resulting instances of mass security breaches, etc that Apple is warning about will never come to pass and those who don’t want to deal with fees at all will still jail break their devices to get around all of the Apple imposed restrictions just as they already do.
It may not happen often but it does happen, and this will help make the transition easier for those interested in doing so.
iPhone hardware is great, but iOS lacks customizations, really hope EU will force Apple to make their hardware compatible with Android and Linux mobile OS.
EU should force apple to work with Linux and Gggole to make it work smoothly
or force Apple to make their A/M series processor design open source to increase competition.
we all can benefit from this, world will be a better place.
EU should force apple to work with Linux and Gggole to make it work smoothly
or force Apple to make their A/M series processor design open source to increase competition.
we all can benefit from this, world will be a better place.
there is freedom.
buy an android phone.
US brought 2 options to the market, iOS, Android.
What mobile OS choices did EU and rest of the world bring ?
please name a few.
it is easy to complain, difficult to make something.
They were talking about that almost three years ago but they added better security to WhatsApp since then and had to re-think things.Hi, uh, it's a thing actually
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Why ?
why can't people just use What's App and 20 other messaging apps ?
if people want RCS based messaging client then they can buy Android phone with Google chat