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The person who wants to remove everything, except for what cannot be removed, because they do not opt for the Pixel 9 Pro, it is almost at the same price as the iPhone and is open to Android stores.
I think a lot of people who clearly would be better served with an Android phone are worried about being judged for using an Android phone.
 
Defaults or not, living in the EU, the majority of people I know are iPhone users, and nobody uses iMessage or Apple Maps, zero.

The phone app is where you receive calls from people you don’t know (spam) and iMessage is for 2FA codes.

So, I would say that Apple has already lost the default app battle here.
 
This is getting ridiculous.
delete the messages and phone app? really? how will you receive calls and messages?
I feel like these regulations are getting out of hand. give them a finger and they’ll take the whole hand. this is the fear that governments will start with something small and helpful, and then abuse that power.

Tim Cook really messed up. He should have just put Android on the iPhone and call it a day. And Apple can still charge 30% commission like Samsung is doing on Android.

Because now other regions are looking what Apple is doing in the EU and will demand the same for their region.
 
Defaults or not, living in the EU, the majority of people I know are iPhone users, and nobody uses iMessage or Apple Maps, zero.

The phone app is where you receive calls from people you don’t know (spam) and iMessage is for 2FA codes.

So, I would say that Apple has already lost the default app battle here.

What the Apple fanbase doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to see) is that opening up some flexibility on the iPhone in terms of how you use them and what Apps you use will actually benefit Apple over the long run as it makes the hardware more appealing to more people.

Selling iPhone hardware is a MEGA business for Apple ... it is THE business for Apple

Keeping people buying and using iPhone needs to be the #1 priority for Apple leadership

They need to not care if folks want to use a different default Phone or Messaging app (Apps from which Apple makes zero revenue anyhow)... so long as people buy iPhones
 
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Defaults or not, living in the EU, the majority of people I know are iPhone users, and nobody uses iMessage or Apple Maps, zero.

The phone app is where you receive calls from people you don’t know (spam) and iMessage is for 2FA codes.

So, I would say that Apple has already lost the default app battle here.

While it's not as bad as you're portraying it here, surely iMessage and Apple Maps are not dominant apps in any way. Hence the EU forcing this on Apple is just plain stupid and makes no sense at all. In fact, it even gives more power to dominant market players.
 
I can only see this as a positive change and one that will quickly spread beyond the EU as other countries, and iPhone users within them, ask "Why can't we have this?".

I see it ending with a MacOS-like experience. No reason iOS can't remain as secure as MacOS.

And hopefully it will push Apple to improve their own apps. I'd be delighted if the best app for every option was an Apple one but unfortunately it isn't.

It's my phone. Let me decide.
 
Tim Cook really messed up. He should have just put Android on the iPhone and call it a day. And Apple can still charge 30% commission like Samsung is doing on Android.
But… but… green bubbles!
 
The EU makes it more and more complex. This won't be the last thing they ask.
And why the hell won't the menu popup if they default browser is set to chrome?

There has to be a way to have a voice against it?

BTW, did you enterprise users know you can block third party app stores with MDM :D
 
While it's not as bad as you're portraying it here, surely iMessage and Apple Maps are not dominant apps in any way. Hence the EU forcing this on Apple is just plain stupid and makes no sense at all. In fact, it even gives more power to dominant market players.
Yep. All the browser choice screen is going to do is give Chrome a higher market share on iOS.
 
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Use a different photos app you prefer? There’s no reason why Photos should have a special status.

You already can use a different photos app. And the ability to do so doesn't necessitate the ability to delete the default—it's pretty deeply-ingrained into iOS.
 
I somehow feel Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave, he was all bout making a clean user experience but then again the phone evlolved into a computer. But this level of customization makes what was simple a nightmare just hope security isn’t threatened because of this, who cares that it’s already complicated and my parents can’t keep up and retain what I show them let’s add complexity to the situation. Every app with their own system settings and what not. Will I be able to iMessage my friends in the EU because I never downloaded what’s App to appease them.
 
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Defaults or not, living in the EU, the majority of people I know are iPhone users, and nobody uses iMessage or Apple Maps, zero.

The phone app is where you receive calls from people you don’t know (spam) and iMessage is for 2FA codes.

So, I would say that Apple has already lost the default app battle here.
EU is actually a group of several nations where there are different habits.
I live in the EU and iMessage, Safari and Apple Maps are my defaults. Not really interested in feeding Facebook and Google with my data.
 
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Careful about putting too much money on your wager there
I did this when som people sweared that there wouldn’t be a 13 mini, or those who said it was impossible for Apple to make a 13 mini and not a 14 mini. Or those who were sure the iPhone mini would be the next SE. Or, more recently, the people that laughed at the idea of Apple using the M4 for the first time on the new iPad Pro, saying it would be impossible despite the numerous leaks and hidden clues. I think I bookmarked some of them, like you said, for future reference. But was too lazy to quote them afterwards to demonstrate how their adamant affirmations were, evidently, wrong.
 
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I think a lot of people who clearly would be better served with an Android phone are worried about being judged for using an Android phone.
Not at all, I think we are free to choose a device, we know how Apple works and the number of possibilities of Android, why choose an iPhone that no matter how much they release will always be in an "ecosystem"
 
somehow feel Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave, he was all bout making a clean user experience but then again the phone evlolved into a computer.

He didn't even want 3rd party Apps on iPhone at all

Love Steve, but there's nothing to draw here from him
It's impossible to know how he might have be thinking and acting at this point in time
 
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