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Apple to Lure Android Users to iPhone With New Trade-In Program

HenryDJP said:
Sir, please don't speak up for people you don't know. And now you suddenly changed your words? Before you just said people buy cheap phones because they couldn't afford a more premium phone. Now you say they buy cheap because they just see them as a simple tool. Yep, change the argument when you see you're not winning. All good. Thanks. :p

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Did you forget you wrote this? Now you're suddenly changing your defense to people buying cheap because they don't see a need for a premium phone?:rolleyes:
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You speak for people you don't know on a daily basis, on MR, heck you speak for everyone, geez mate, the hypocrisy is HUGE!

That's the problem, I was replying to you, and hence you twist the argument to suit your needs. Things become illogical fast, and yet you don't see the fault in yourself ;)

This is a waste of time.

And remember apple only competes in the Premium handset market! Which it dominates!
 
AirunJae said:
Not taking OS updates and trade-in value into consideration is pretty myopic.
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Not necessarily. If a person is of the mindset that they'll use their device "until the wheels fall off", then trade-in value is irrelevant.

OS updates are a two-edged sword... OS updates are all fine and dandy until it renders one's device sluggish or not pleasant to use. There are as many pros as there are cons for OS updates.

MH01 said:
And remember apple only competes in the Premium handset market! Which it dominates!
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There is a mindset embraced by many that believes anything less than flagship is a waste of money.
 
Trapezoid said:
Hey any proof of the same people saying both of the above?

No?? Wow that's so unlike you to just say things...one day, man.
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To be fair - he never said anything about it being the same people.

AirunJae said:
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Not taking OS updates and trade-in value into consideration is pretty myopic.

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How do you figure? It just means that I value what something can do for me now - not what it MIGHT do for me in the future. Maybe you need to consider those things, that doesn't make me myopic for not caring. I don't rely, need or care about if I can get money back on the phone I've used for a couple of years. When I upgrade, I'm fully capable of laying down the cash for a new phone. Like I said - if I get something back from my old phone (if I haven't donated it to someone else) then it's just gravy. A bonus.

Trapezoid said:
I can get not caring about resale value, but it always surprises me when people say they don't consider possible updates.

You're not alone obviously, most people are clueless about these things, but for people in the know it's pretty surprising they pick their phones without caring if they'll be supported in a timely manner.
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See above. I don't think (or hope) you were lumping me in with someone who is clueless.

To some degree you are correct. I do care if there are security holes and whether or not they will be patched. This isn't an issue on either platform. It happens. Typically (and perhaps I'm stretching) this discussion is more about full OS updates on either platform. And for that, my point stands. If my device does what I want, how I want - then whether or not I get a new OS update isn't all that important to me. Again - it's "gravy." For my iOS devices, Apple is able to push updates directly to all their devices without carrier intervention. For my Android devices, Google has set up it's architecture that most updating (not full OS) can be done directly through them.

Is it NICE to get updates? Absolutely. But when I'm buying a phone - I don't consider which company is getting (full) OS updates faster and/or if there will be any in the 2 years I might own that phone. I buy the phone that works for me "today."
 
samcraig said:
To be fair - he never said anything about it being the same people.
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Yes I'm well aware of the m.o. he stopped saying it was the same people when he kept getting called out mostly by me.

The words "flip flop" are never posted by him anymore. There's a reason.


See above. I don't think (or hope) you were lumping me in with someone who is clueless.

To some degree you are correct. I do care if there are security holes and whether or not they will be patched. This isn't an issue on either platform. It happens. Typically (and perhaps I'm stretching) this discussion is more about full OS updates on either platform. And for that, my point stands. If my device does what I want, how I want - then whether or not I get a new OS update isn't all that important to me. Again - it's "gravy." For my iOS devices, Apple is able to push updates directly to all their devices without carrier intervention. For my Android devices, Google has set up it's architecture that most updating (not full OS) can be done directly through them.

Is it NICE to get updates? Absolutely. But when I'm buying a phone - I don't consider which company is getting (full) OS updates faster and/or if there will be any in the 2 years I might own that phone. I buy the phone that works for me "today."
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Nope I'm lumping you with those in the know hence my surprise. Forget resale value I don't care about that either. But I absolutely want my phones updated in a timely manner or have the ability to do it myself. I understand you're different and you don't care it just surprises me that people in the know would not care about such things.

Clueless consumers, aka the overwhelming majority of them, probably don't even know that their phones can update until they receive notification of such. But ppl on forums like this who say I don't care if I never get any updates, that's odd to me. All I'm saying.
 
bbeagle said:
I can hear the Imperial Death March for Android.... Android is definitely on it's last legs.

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Naa, there are those who are truly Apple Haters and want another device, BB is dead, Windows Phone is almost non-existant, however the Google Echo System as well as Apple will survive. It will be interesting to see how many people do go over to Apple from Android on a quarterly basis, but you will never pull some ppl away from Android, I work in an IT industry and half use Apple and the other half use Android and Hate Apple.
 
Wicked1 said:
Naa, there are those who are truly Apple Haters and want another device, BB is dead, Windows Phone is almost non-existant, however the Google Echo System as well as Apple will survive. It will be interesting to see how many people do go over to Apple from Android on a quarterly basis, but you will never pull some ppl away from Android, I work in an IT industry and half use Apple and the other half use Android and Hate Apple.
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Yes, because people that use Android must hate Apple, if they wouldn't hate it they would chose iPhones

:confused::confused::confused:
 
Oletros said:
He did. Now we can stop arguing because we won't agree and I don't want to waste my time, have a nuce day.
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Yeah he actually didn't, and yes it is a good idea if you stop arguing it.

If he comes back and explains what he meant, will you say he didn't mean that also?
 
z chamber said:
So the Atrix inspired samsungs5 and the iphone 5s.
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I wouldn't say that to be honest.

There have been multiple attempts in the past to try to including finger print scanning technologies into various different devices. There have been desktop readers, Smart Phones, Dumb Phones, laptops, etc, etc, etc.

there has always been a drive to include more accurate and consistent security to devices, and biometrics is always been at the forefront of that.

Except typically it sucked. the technology sucked. Most "fingerprint" scanners were simple biometric scanners and nobody could really get a consumer grade fingerprint scanner in a consumer device that worked well.

Then came the company AuthenTec. AuthenTec invented the fingerprint scanner currently found on the iPhones. Apple bought AuthenTec and made the technology exclusive for use with i-Devices.

Now finally there's a working model for accurate Finger Print scanning, so it makes sense that those companies who had tried, or been researching it in the past are redoubling their efforts and actually trying to replicate the AuthenTec quality of scanning.

So, did the Atrix inspire the use of Fingerprint scanning on the iPhone? indirectly yes. As This was a entire industry trend. It was Apple's succesfull implementation however that stopped it being just a tech oddity and put it back into consumer spotlight.
 
LordVic said:
I wouldn't say that to be honest.

There have been multiple attempts in the past to try to including finger print scanning technologies into various different devices. There have been desktop readers, Smart Phones, Dumb Phones, laptops, etc, etc, etc.

there has always been a drive to include more accurate and consistent security to devices, and biometrics is always been at the forefront of that.

Except typically it sucked. the technology sucked. Most "fingerprint" scanners were simple biometric scanners and nobody could really get a consumer grade fingerprint scanner in a consumer device that worked well.

Then came the company AuthenTec. AuthenTec invented the fingerprint scanner currently found on the iPhones. Apple bought AuthenTec and made the technology exclusive for use with i-Devices.

Now finally there's a working model for accurate Finger Print scanning, so it makes sense that those companies who had tried, or been researching it in the past are redoubling their efforts and actually trying to replicate the AuthenTec quality of scanning.

So, did the Atrix inspire the use of Fingerprint scanning on the iPhone? indirectly yes. As This was a entire industry trend. It was Apple's succesfull implementation however that stopped it being just a tech oddity and put it back into consumer spotlight.
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I'll buy that.
 
samcraig said:
Well here's something to consider. Myself (and I know several others) don't take resale value into consideration when buying a phone. I buy the phone that will work best for me. Not based on what updates might happen to the OS - but what the phone does then and there at time of purchase. So OS updates are welcome, but not a requirement for me. And after 2 years of use, I have gotten my value out of the phone and if I am ready to get a new one, anything I get for my old phone is "gravy."

This is true of my Android and iOS devices.
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I meant much better with resale, not with experience. The early androids were able to be sold for much more.
 
Oletros said:
Yes, because people that use Android must hate Apple, if they wouldn't hate it they would chose iPhones

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I never said everyone who is on Android Hates Apple, but there are those who want Android because they do, others like Android for things they offer that Apple does not. It is simply a personal choice, and lately I am not a fan of iOS and have an iPhone and Android...
 
Wicked1 said:
I never said everyone who is on Android Hates Apple, but there are those who want Android because they do, others like Android for things they offer that Apple does not. It is simply a personal choice, and lately I am not a fan of iOS and have an iPhone and Android...
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He's gonna tell you that's not what you meant. Lol.

But yes there are some people who have android because they hate apple and some that genuinely like android. Same thing on the apple side.
 
Just can't understand why anyone would hate one or the other, never made sense to me. One pushes the other and keeps the whole industry moving.
 
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