But anyways... If this is true....
I will be so happy. Right now my Env is being held together by duct tape.
I will be so happy. Right now my Env is being held together by duct tape.
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Apple to Manufacture Verizon-Compatible iPhone in Q3 2010?
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There was a pretty decent lag time between when Apple took on the Intel chips and when they finally made the switch. In that time the Intel chips caught up with and then began to beat the PowerPC chips, especially since IBM wasn't developing any models that made sense for the non-high end devices.
Verizon on the other hand is taking major swipes at the iPhone RIGHT NOW. I can't imagine they would have focused quite so much attack on the iPhone itself if it looked like Verizon would be getting the iPhone anytime soon.
You're right, the smaller screen size would make games harder to play. But, on the other hand, I'm all for trusting Apple's design decisions and in the end I think we'll get a product that we love
Shrunken screen? I took this report seriously because of the hybrid GSM/CDMA chip. However, after reading that the screen would be shrunk, I guess its another rumor is the rumor mill that will never come to happen.
The screen is fine as is, any smaller, makes many things a hassle or impossible to do, any bigger, the phone looses a bit of appeal to me. 3.5" is perfect.
As for Verizon, they can burn in hell. After the little stunt they are pulling with the Droid ads, well, I guess Mr. Jobs will be hesitant to make business with a company that is just now bashing one of Apple's great products.
The screen is fine as is, any smaller, makes many things a hassle or impossible to do, any bigger, the phone looses a bit of appeal to me. 3.5" is perfect.
As for Verizon, they can burn in hell. After the little stunt they are pulling with the Droid ads, well, I guess Mr. Jobs will be hesitant to make business with a company that is just now bashing one of Apple's great products.
No way they're shrinking the screen size, unless it's to sell some $99 or fully subsidized version alongside the real thing. (iPhone/iPhone Pro, anybody?)
Money doesn't take sides. If SJ can convince Verizon to give up their grip on phone crippling and maybe slip em' a bit of the vintage apple koolaid hidden in the back, it could become a beautiful pairing.
Verizon sells all kinds of phones - so every ad they have for any phone is a "knock" against their other phones.
You don't think that Jobs would be a fan of clever advertising that pokes fun at a competitor's weak spots?
I'm due for a phone (October 2009) update and this Verizon iPhone better be good, if and when it comes out.
It won't be a beautiful pairing.... remember, the only reason to open up is to promote competition. Verizon isn't going to be competitive. Their prices are the same as AT&T's. Please don't use the coverage excuse. Each carrier has their strong and weak markets.
As for competitively, it'd be better if they open the iPhone to T-Mobile, who's rates are way lower than AT&T's and whose network is very well built (see Project Dark or whatever they are calling to make T-Mobile's network support speeds of up to 21.4 Mb/s.)
True T-Mobile doesn't have that much 3G coverage, but face it, they would be a better choice. Not to mention all that would be required is the same chip with different EM-Wave support (1700Mhz).
The Droid isn't crippled to my knowledge, so they already have. I don't think they should make a CDMA version because the entire world should be on one mobile standard (if not GSM/UMTS, then LTE). We'll probably see a Verizon iPhone only after their LTE network gets rolled out.
People have a choice. They have to CHOOSE either At&t or ... not having the iPhone. That's the choice.
What you're proposing is to level the playing field by putting the iPhone on all 4 carriers. Which isn't "choosing" anything. It's the exact opposite.
The competition, enhancements, and improvements that the iPhone sparked in Verizon, Sprint, T-Mo, RiM, Nokia, Samsung, and Motorola has been *unprecedented* in the history of mobile communications. And that's because it knocked the competition completely on their butts, and made *everything* they had look like it was twenty years old. The iPhone has been out for nearly 2 and a half years and they're *STILL* trying to catch up.
I say, let them wither and die on the vine. If they can't beat the iPhone on their own, then they (and the carriers) deserve to die.
this rumour doesnt rule that out. The rumour is for a chip that is capable of running on UMTS and CDMA.... this means that with that chip, the iphone could be on all 4 US majors (just edge on T-mob unless, as you point out there is a minor addition of 1700mhz UMTS support)
this is what has happened in canada since bell and telus went UMTS, now the 4 canadian majors all have the iphone (or will by the end of this year)
we'll see if the competition there ends up being good for prices
I know, aren't those "map" commercials a riot. Good to know that Verizon spent all that money running 3G coverage to every square inch of North America... even the parts that are UNINHABITED!
This is all a part of Verizon's marketing push. They've now begun to get initial feedback on Droid, and the picture is not as rosey as they'd hoped. In a radical shift, through their Vodaphone-related network of lackeys and snitches, they've managed to pump new life into the virtually zombified rumor that they'd ever get the iPhone. All of this confusion only serves to create a cloud over AT&T, and drive consumers toward Verizon. Concerned over Droid sales, Verizon has increased cancellation fees to $350. Once they get Droid customers, rumors of a Verizon iPhone will keep the dissatisfied mollified until the awful truth comes out (unless Verizon can change Apple's course). The awful truth could be anything, considering Apple hasn't yet decided anything. Sprint perhaps? Who knows.
Were Apple to throw the iPhone at ALL CARRIERS in the U.S. market... Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T... wouldn't that be a maelstrom. It would certainly guarantee at least one will be offering the phone for $99/$199... thereby forcing the others to match the price through clean competition.
Wouldn't that be simply... messy?
~ CB
Were Apple to throw the iPhone at ALL CARRIERS in the U.S. market... Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T... wouldn't that be a maelstrom. It would certainly guarantee at least one will be offering the phone for $99/$199... thereby forcing the others to match the price through clean competition.
Wouldn't that be simply... messy?
~ CB
Bring on the Verizon iPhone!
Q3 2010 - just in time for when I am due for a new phone upgrade.
Same. I hope its true. Only time will tell. For now, my Versa seems to be holding its own.
I keep seeing this but I have both an iPhone and a Verizon phone and I have traveled around the United States and have very rarely found a place where the ATT coverage wasn't several bars lower than Verizon. Most notable, the Mt. Baker National Wilderness in Washington State. iPhone: no bars in the parking lot at the trailhead at the end of SR 542. Verizon: two bars five miles into the wilderness area. I really would like a list of areas where ATT service is better.
Verizon iPhone = Good
Android = Better
Too little, too late. Android is in the house. And hopefully on a better looking phone by then.
Yes, people will buy them for awhile, but once they discover these problems, they will grab an iPhone. Most of this is due to the fact that Android phones will vary greatly and Android is open source. What does open source mean, well, that an bunch of incompetent handset manufacturers can mess around with it. It saves them a lot of development, so it's a good deal for them, but not for the poor customers.
1. Apps are not tested, they are just placed in Android Market.
Most apps don't make it through Apple's quality assurance, even though developers know they will be tested. Why does Google do that? Well they would have to do the same thing the developer has to do, test it on all of the Android releases and Android platforms, a big and expensive job. So, instead they let you return the app.
2. Apps can be returned.
Think about it, you're paying a few bucks at the AppStore, but you know it will run, since it's been tested by Apple. But, because Google doesn't test them, they have to let you return them. Yes, maybe you buy a few apps for a few bucks that aren't what you expected, but that hurts the bottom line for any developer. If we were talking about big bucks, it's reasonable, for a few bucks, it's not.
3. Android phones will hardly ever be able to be updated to a new OS release.
Apple will occasionally insist that you test your app on a new release or have it removed from the AppStore. So, if Apple cannot guarantee upwards compatibility, what are the chances that Android releases will allow previous apps to work. Do you think a developer could possibly test all of these combinations.
4. Apps are easily pirated.
Android phones cannot be locked. One of the reasons that Apple fights unlocking is to prevent pirating. If you unlock your iPhone, you cannot purchase apps from the AppStore. Apps on Android have no DRM, so it's relatively easy to pirate them (even if it had DRM, it's not that difficult). So, we know that any app that costs anything will be stolen.
So, in the end the user will get buggy apps. Developers will have their hard work stolen. Users will be stuck with whatever OS release comes with their phone.
Yes, all major national canadian carriers carry the iphone now as of yesterday. But the competition has done nothing for prices. Bell and Telus who just started carrying the iphone as of yesterday have priced their plans pretty much the same and in some cases higher then Rogers/Fido who have carried the iphone since the launch of the 3G version.
As someone with an app on the App Store, Apple's quality testing isn't as stringent as you'd think. And the approval process is still more inconsistent and arbitrary than it should be.
Can't argue with this. It's more of a policy thing than anything legal, though.
The G1 has gotten every new release of Android as they have come out. The phones with custom UIs on top of Android, on the other hand, will be a bit slower to come out, as you'd expect.
Jailbreaking allows this, too, and not even resorting to the levels Microsoft does to protect their software will completely eliminate the problem.
IMHO, I think people will keep buying into both platforms, as long as they keep being improved upon.
When you say "tested" I'm guessing you're talking about Apple's ludicrous policies on app submission. I'm also guessing you believe the lack thereof will result in buggy applications. Somewhat true, but I'll take it over Apple's app store any day. At least the consumer will have the option, and developers will not be hindered by a ridiculous submission process. (GV, remember?)
As for the pirating, what did you expect?
"3. Android phones will hardly ever be able to be updated to a new OS release."
Source or I call BS on this.