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Is it fine if I sell you up to 2x sharper glasses but they are worse than your old ones?
Legally? Depends on the jurisdiction.

But I’ve seen no evidence that the throttled 6s is slower than a 6, for example.
 
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Let me tell all you Apple fans who are falling over each other to defend Apple in every possible way by coming up with ridiculous statements: nobody asked Apple to replace battery for 29$. All we wanted is Apple to be upfront about it. If they had put a warning sign saying the battery is performing at lowest level, people would have gladly gone to Apple store and got the battery change. What hurt us was that we trusted Apple and Apple screwed our trust. I bet lots of people went and bought new iPhones because of the slow down which improved Apple's bottom line. Did Tim Cook took this into account when he set the quarterly revenue guidance?

You’re right. That’s why they apologized. What else would you like done to rectify the situation?
 
What? Slowing down my phone is no one’s business but Apple engineers? That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. They updated my phone to it down and you are saying it none of my business? Take your car into the shop and when they cap top speed at 55MPH so you can maintain proper gas mileage, let me know how that works out.

Uhhh. German cars are all limited to 155mph. And you have to PAY them to increase your car’s top speed.

Let me know how THAT works out.
 
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Amazing news and uncalled for. I imagine all the trolls will have to find something else to whine about. Apple has stepped up and addressed something that was not a big deal.
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Android "Oh crap. Hope they don't find out how we make incompatible OS, Apps and everything else crappy"
Android is what it is and everyone knows it. No secrets there as far as I can tell. It’s Apple that usually becomes a little too aggressive when it comes to protecting its image and being less than transparent, ultimately at the detriment of the customer. I’m glad they came around a little sooner this time and applaud their efforts.
 
No Reason to have to Pay for a New Battery! Purposely written code to drive upgrade sales of new Phones and now we are held hostage to pay for a new battery no matter the reduced fee.
I'm so tired of these type of responses. The software was preventing the devices from crashing. How is that being "held hostage"? With so many cellular plans now, people can upgrade to new phones without having to shell out a ton of cash. I don't understand the manufactured outrage over this. Is Apple now supposed to keep the original iPhone running like a brand new model? Should iOS never progress so that old iPhones will always function? Lithium-ion batteries have a fairly limited useful life. Most of us have known that from the start. But it's currently the best technology for mobile devices. Having Apple offer a solution to extend the battery's life a bit more isn't an act for which they should be punished.
 
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I have an iPhone 6 that would shutdown around 40% battery life prior to the throttle update. I assumed at the time that it was a software issue since an iOS update "fixed" the problem and since only certain 6s models were eligible for the battery replacement program. I don't expect my battery to last forever, and I'm okay with the CPU being throttled if that's the only feasible option for a normal battery that's highly degraded. But I just want to know up front that there is a problem with the battery and what my options are--whether it's to replace the battery, buy a new phone, or just live with the reduced performance. This outcry followed by Apple's response clears up this being a battery issue and what options are available.
Okay... Serious inquiry...

If the battery meter stayed accurate (i.e., -/+ 3%), i.e., so you knew your device was about to shut down at what was then 40%, and your device performed at near the efficienty it previously did, would you consider that acceptable?

OR...

(Again, if the meter was accurate) Would you rather have your device stutter (at least somewhat) during operation but still function for only a small time less than previously?

OR...

You pay (i.e., add) a maintenance fee every year or two to replace the battery and only miss a very small margin of performance and operating time? -- Because, of course, operating system and other software updates will no doubt be designed with larger resource as newer hardware becomes capable of providing, thus straining your device's older, less capable components.

P.S. https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/
 
I'm so tired of these type of responses. The software was preventing the devices from crashing. How is that being "held hostage"? With so many cellular plans now, people can upgrade to new phones without having to shell out a ton of cash. I don't understand the manufactured outrage over this. Is Apple now supposed to keep the original iPhone running like a brand new model? Lithium-ion batteries have a fairly limited useful life. Most of us have known that from the start. But it's currently the best technology for mobile devices. Having Apple offer a solution to extend the battery's life a bit more isn't an act for which they should be punished.

You have zero clue...This is NOT a battery issue...You have fell right into the BS trap...This is Not a battery issue...this is Apple purposely downgrading PERFORMANCE of phones...this is easily mitigate with proper coding...so get a grip on reality of the issue before weighing in with nonsense...
 
This whole issue was only ever a communication and perception issue because slowing the CPU a bit is always preferable to a sudden shutdown.

Clearly may users disagree with your preference. But we both can be winners, all apple has to do is give us the option to do it your way or shut me down way and everybody is happy. I picked shutdown and I can live with it and eventually fix it.
 
You’re right. That’s why they apologized. What else would you like done to rectify the situation?

While I'm glad that Apple got busted and will have to tell users whether or not the battery is causing slowdowns, I still think they should include the ability to disable the feature, control it, or let people revert to previous iOS versions.
 
I'm so tired of these type of responses. The software was preventing the devices from crashing. How is that being "held hostage"? With so many cellular plans now, people can upgrade to new phones without having to shell out a ton of cash. I don't understand the manufactured outrage over this. Is Apple now supposed to keep the original iPhone running like a brand new model? Should iOS never progress so that old iPhones will always function? Lithium-ion batteries have a fairly limited useful life. Most of us have known that from the start. But it's currently the best technology for mobile devices. Having Apple offer a solution to extend the battery's life a bit more isn't an act for which they should be punished.

The people here are like expecting the batteries in their phone to last for YEARS and still be the same as the day the bought it. Any batteries in any modern mobile phones WILL degrade.

And I strongly believe the less tech savvy public using a throttled iPhone due to aging battery didn’t even know they are being throttled if these articles didn’t even come out. It goes to show how throttling doesn’t affect them much, and how Apple actually helped them by preventing their phones from intermittently shutting down.
 
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Of course it’s up to Apple to make that choice. That’s why Enginering is. Choosing. They choose a battery size that’s a trade off between longevity and weight and thickness. They choose a screen resolution that’s a trade off. They choose how many speakers to put in and how big to make them. They choose what buttons to put on the device. They choose a clock rate for the cpu.


If it were a deliberate choice they would put the throttling into iOS when they released the phones. They did not. They clearly did not realize that they would start getting the infamous shutdowns on the phones with 40% charge (note: previous iPhones did not have this issue). They only added the throttling after consumer started complaining about shut downs on the phones with relatively healthy batteries. This clearly indicates that this is a design flaw rather than a deliberate trade-off.
 
What annoys me about this and other things like it is that it sets the precedent that an uninformed public can develop an "outcry" over anything get a result out of Apple. Real shame. The public didn't deserve this level of compromise from Apple. Intelligent CPU management of a device powered by lithium-ion battery is expected and appropriate, and really no one's business besides the engineers.
You really don’t have much of a clue what the issue is do you? I guess it is good that they limit old phone performance if the battery can’t. Keep up anymore. Problem is the customer had no idea what was going on with the sluggish performance of their phone, and thought that they had to upgrade their phone when they a battery replacement would have done just far......It is beyond me how can some people defend Apple for doing this.
 
My 6S is just over a year old, just over 200 cycles, 90% health yet it throttles back to about 1500 MHz, battery drains fast lately, could be due to iOS 11.2.5 beta.
It's actually not bad at all, I don't see any major slowdowns, but at that price I will get a new battery, this one will be for my girl next year when I buy the X in *SG,KL or HK where I pay €200 less than here in Europe.

*SG = Singapore, KL = Kuala Lumpur, HK = Hong Kong

But you’ll have to get a third party to replace your battery as at 90% it will pass Apples ‘battery disgnostics’, and they will not replace your battery even if you pay them. So you could end up paying more then the 29 offer price.
 
While I'm glad that Apple got busted and will have to tell users whether or not the battery is causing slowdowns, I still think they should include the ability to disable the feature, control it, or let people revert to previous iOS versions.

Why even bother with the ability to disable the feature? So you would rather your phone be shutting down at crucial moments? And what else is there to control? At what heat threshold should the throttling kick in? That kind of control and settings? We all know Apple wants their products as intuitive and painless as possible. So such controls for consumers are definitely out of the question. Just look at their camera app...
 
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The people here are like expecting the batteries in their phone to last for YEARS and still be the same as the day the bought it. Any batteries in any modern mobile phones WILL degrade.

And I strongly believe the less tech savvy public using a throttled iPhone due to aging battery didn’t even know they are being throttled if these articles didn’t even come out. It goes to show how throttling doesn’t affect them much, and how Apple actually helped them by preventing their phones from intermittently shutting down.


BS, people have been complaining about poor iPhone performance after iOS update for months. They just did not know what was causing it. Apple actually made everything possible to keep the public unaware by removing battery status aps and making battery API private. That's a proverbial smoking gun for you.
 
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You’re right. That’s why they apologized. What else would you like done to rectify the situation?

Nothing, because he wants his narrative to unfold. In fact, on an emotional level, he would probably prefer it if Apple raised the prices of battery repairs - so that he would have more fuel for arguments.

This is a common theme with a lot of things. For example, when you dislike a politician, you don't want to hear news of them doing good things - you want them to go really bad, so you have more material. In other words, there is literally nothing Apple can do to change the minds of people who currently see them as amoral, cash-grabbing manipulators and who see a lot of us here as "sheep".

Seriously, if Apple started giving iPhones away for free, someone here would say they are doing it just to force you into their ecosystem and keep you shackled there.
 
The people here are like expecting the batteries in their phone to last for YEARS and still be the same as the day the bought it. Any batteries in any modern mobile phones WILL degrade.

And I strongly believe the less tech savvy public using a throttled iPhone due to aging battery didn’t even know they are being throttled if these articles didn’t even come out. It goes to show how throttling doesn’t affect them much, and how Apple actually helped them by preventing their phones from intermittently shutting down.

Even IF we agree that some people would choose throttling over battery life, the fact that it was completely hidden is deceptive.

People often only look to buy a new phone when they find their current one slow. How many people purchased a new phone when a battery change is what they really needed?

Although the throttling starts well into the "Healthy -- do not replace" status, so even then...
 
So I don't see where they denied they were throttling iphones. Am I missing something?

they didn't...that is the point...and more over suggesting that some of the Apple community feel dissappointed...BS
 
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