Yes. Because that’s how mass production works. Products are spec’d down to cover manufacturing variations. A few percent get lemons that they can return, nearly 50% get below average product. For nearly everything not custom hand built to your personal specification. For the last century (since Henry Ford, et.al.)
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Yes. Because that’s how mass production works. Products are spec’d down to cover manufacturing variations. A few percent get lemons that they can return, nearly 50% get below average product. For nearly everything not custom hand built to your personal specification. For the last century (since Henry Ford, et.al.)
I've had nothing but brilliant service from individuals in retail, FYI, it's actually them that decide to fix these issues for us, last replacement I got , the policy said otherwise, but the genius sided with me ....
This does not change the fact that it takes lawsuits for Apple to initiate repair programs. You are comparing individual treatment by awesome individuals that work in the Genius Bar to a company that will ignore a mass issue for a very long time. Google nvidia MacBook Pro lawsuit.... bring some reality to how it acurally works at scale.
I do not agree, but I wont belabor the point other than to suggest you look at how cpu clockspeeds are determined - totally based o the individual chips performance.
I know my company would never ever intentionally send out devices that do not meet our specs.
So? Get an advanced degree in electro-chemistry and manufacturing engineering, and invent a battery where you can rapidly make tens of millions of them, and never have any of them degrade, no matter how any customer abuses them.
Please. Plus you might also make a vast fortune in royalties.
You are moving goal posts here. My point was that they are making $50 less profit on a battery change and you are talking about longterm devaluation and something about $10 eBay batteries...I don't know, but I am not following.
79-29 = 50 .
What is your point ? Are you trying to explain to me .....that my point is that Apple has taken a long term devaluation hit? Nope not my point ....but thanks for trying to lead me down that rabbit hole , feel free to debate with yourself , as that is not my point .
I'm stunned with how ridiculous some of the stuff you post is. A bigger batter more often than not has an ability to supply more current for longer. Period.
Your excuse that the demand would increase to suit and therefore it's pointless is ludicrous.
We know it's running lean but didn't put a bigger fuel pump in your car sir because we know you'd just put your foot down more.
Simple solution: whatever iOS version shipped with your iPhone when new should be supported with security updates for a set number of years (maybe 4). So my iPhone 7 should still be able to run iOS 10.x and it should be regularly patched. I don't want or need new features. I need my phone to work and be secure.
If I decide I want the new features in iOS 11, I should be able to upgrade to it. If I don't like it (i.e. it kills my phone or slows it down, let me go back).
If I decide I want the new features in iOS 11, I should be able to upgrade to it. If I don't like it (i.e. it kills my phone or slows it down, let me go back).
Kind of agree, that a response has been prompted over a non-issue. That said, 79 dollar battery replacement was far too steep, considering the tiny batteries we get.
The other issue is that battery gets changed by Apple only if they deem it to be unhealthy enough in their tests. That has been an issue for me in the past.
Hey firewood, still waiting for proof that Android phones are throttled out of the box as you asserted the other day but totally ignored any requests for proof.
I mean, what the hey buddy?
Part of the problem is that from the iPhone 6S, the upgrades up to 8/X could be seen as negligible if you had full performance. It's still a great iPhone. The throttling addition and batteries becoming weak just outside of Applecare+ coverage just added up to cluster when this was barely an issue with 5S and below.
What an astoundingly ignorant comment. Most people don’t even know how a thermostat works. It’s arguable only a handful of people on the planet actually can understand the amount things involved in a working smartphone on as low a level as memory and power management.
Here’s some detail about how the information travels from an input device (keyboard/touch screen) to delivering a response on screen https://danluu.com/input-lag/
Seriously, the chain of events involved is mindnumbing.
Also, devices throttle all the time. There was an awesome article earlier this year showing how much various phones have to throttle the cpu to avoid overheating concerns. While this isn’t the article, it does show the results of performing GPU tests repeatedly on all popular smartphones from a couple years ago and comparing what portion of their peak power they kept running after repeat performances. https://www.techspot.com/review/1175-lg-g5/page4.html
If you’ll notice in both the display and throttling articles, Apple is pretty much the only company who puts substantial effort into avoiding these lags. This is why it’s such a shame people like the OP I’m responding too make it sound like Apple is malicious and evil in this regard. Quite frankly, they care about this **** more than any other group of people on the planet.
Why does everyone think that Apple has been doing this "for years"? They introduced this "feature" with ios 10.2.1. Meaning that before this, no CPUs were underclocked because of the battery. Any slow iphones before that update were slow just because they didn't bother too much to optimize the os for those old iphones.
I'd love to be able to restore an older version of iOS on many of my idevices. Many people when they upgrade also have an expectation that Apple will fix performance issues within a few updates, and the short windows for downgrading to the previous version of iOS closes and you are locked in, at which point you might as well upgrade to the last version of the iOS you are on , as it will be the most stable
I just replaced my iPhone SE battery which only had 330 cycles and looked pretty healthy, my phone went from 600-918 mhz to a blazing 1848mhz, I can't believe it. Apple's greed scheme is disgusting.
Old 330 cycles iPhone SE battery:
New Battery
Old 330 cycles iPhone SE battery:
New Battery
Great post -- but all we needed to know was the device needed a new battery -- instead frustration led us to a new $700+ phone.
Are you trying to imply that I’m an unintelligent child because I happen to agree with Apple on this one?
Again the same story: you wise, savvy, balanced judges of quality - bastions of reason and logic - come here to take pity on us fanboys, cultists and sheep and show us how things are.
Or, maybe, what you call “intelligence, reasoning” is just your opinion, valid as much as mine or anyone else’s.
Strange thing is, this knowledge has been around since cellphones have been in use. Did people just forget this? Or did they suddenly forget when manufacturers stopped making batteries user replaceable?
To but it more succinctly, Apple profited by throttling phones which were shipped with inferior batteries.....
Whoa, this thread has been a trip. A lot of high emotions coupled with misinformation in a feedback loop. The statement Apple published clarified their first statement about throttling, acknowledging that the safeguards put in place to prevent a random shutdown were kicking in when they weren't supposed to in some cases.
The random shutdowns were the priority to fix, but as time passed, the safeguards were affecting other phones with slowdowns when they're not supposed to and Apple is investigating a fix.
To get angry at Apple for slowing your phone when they were really trying to help it is silly. Either you choose to believe Apple, or you don't, but have a little empathy that this problem may not be so easy to fix and Apple has made a very public statement that they're working to address the issue. One of those options is the reduced price battery replacement while they work on another fix.
This may very well lead to another quality program—one of dozens Apple has done across all of its products over the years. Get angry at Apple and buy into the forced obsolescence paradigm, but what other company for general consumers goes out of its way to support older products 4, 5, 6 years after the fact?
There was another claim that Apple has been doing this for "years," as in purposely slowing down older devices, yet there's been no evidence presented. This is another silly thing to get worked up over because there are so many factors at play. Old electronics getting slower with age is not unique to Apple. My old undergrad Lenovo still running XP runs like crap, but that's really in comparison to my specced out 2016 MBP.
It's been said that there is probably a design flaw in the 6 and 6s series of phones. Are you really going to get angry that Apple isn't perfect and might have messed up with the design, and view their attempts to address it as deceptive? The iOS update that introduced this management did note these changes. Then as batteries got older, these changes started doing something they shouldn't. Apple stated their reasoning why they thought this was to be expected, so again, you can either believe them or you don't.
And whether something would have happened if Apple didn't get "caught," we'll never know now. You'll have to choose what to believe. But with a company that goes out of its way to provide this level of extended support to the general public, I choose to still have faith that Apple will continue to try to make things right.
The random shutdowns were the priority to fix, but as time passed, the safeguards were affecting other phones with slowdowns when they're not supposed to and Apple is investigating a fix.
To get angry at Apple for slowing your phone when they were really trying to help it is silly. Either you choose to believe Apple, or you don't, but have a little empathy that this problem may not be so easy to fix and Apple has made a very public statement that they're working to address the issue. One of those options is the reduced price battery replacement while they work on another fix.
This may very well lead to another quality program—one of dozens Apple has done across all of its products over the years. Get angry at Apple and buy into the forced obsolescence paradigm, but what other company for general consumers goes out of its way to support older products 4, 5, 6 years after the fact?
There was another claim that Apple has been doing this for "years," as in purposely slowing down older devices, yet there's been no evidence presented. This is another silly thing to get worked up over because there are so many factors at play. Old electronics getting slower with age is not unique to Apple. My old undergrad Lenovo still running XP runs like crap, but that's really in comparison to my specced out 2016 MBP.
It's been said that there is probably a design flaw in the 6 and 6s series of phones. Are you really going to get angry that Apple isn't perfect and might have messed up with the design, and view their attempts to address it as deceptive? The iOS update that introduced this management did note these changes. Then as batteries got older, these changes started doing something they shouldn't. Apple stated their reasoning why they thought this was to be expected, so again, you can either believe them or you don't.
And whether something would have happened if Apple didn't get "caught," we'll never know now. You'll have to choose what to believe. But with a company that goes out of its way to provide this level of extended support to the general public, I choose to still have faith that Apple will continue to try to make things right.