I think its a big enough issue when it come to either $79.00 vs getting a new phone......
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Apple to Offer $29 iPhone Battery Replacements, More Battery Health Info in iOS
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(For the record, Apple says: "Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles." This does not guarantee any particular lifespan.)
Before you trust these numbers, you should know that there is no legal (within Apple’s developer agreement) way for an iOS app to read the actual processor clock frequency.
It costs more money to support older releases not just for Apple but for other developers. Resources and time taken away from the latest iOS upgrades. It's just better to make the latest iOS applicable to a widest range of customers as-possible.
No it was meant to make the 'battery' last longer as the battery is the problem not the phone but people assumed it was the phone so they went and bought a $600-800 product when all they needed was a $79 product. As someone who makes money (has a job) would you rather make $600 or $60? How can you not see the OBVIOUS marketing strategy? You do realize that businesses are in the business of making money right? These companies don't care about what's best for the customer but what's best for the bottom line. You may not have experienced said slowdowns but the phone might as well be dead because you can barely navigate through the os it frustrates you so much you bite the bullet and buy the new phone. Perfect strategy. And this has been happening way before the iphone 6 (happened on my first and last iphone the 3G) or is the iphone 6 and later the only iphones that have degradable batteries??
I am in India. Litigation is an option but like I said on one of my earlier posts it might take 200 years.
Although options in general is a nice idea, as business Apple would then have thousands of devices with security issues and are not compatible with the latest and greatest apps and app updates and apples marketing of the latest os features.
All companies are malicious. Guarantee it. Apple are no different. Apple knew about this a while ago and did nothing. Whether they are malicious in this particular regard remains to be proven. Here's why I say that.
When you have a problem that gains widespread public recognition with a company that's big on image and PR as is Apple, (and this issue of slowing iPhones has long before now), it will be discussed internally at a reasonably high level. If you seriously think a profit and loss analysis was not done on this you're crazy. They will decide whether it's worth it, and to get to that determination,they will have discussed what options to fix were available, how long/much it would take to implement and whether they can hide or ignore it. Count on it.
The final question they will ask themselves- even if it's not in these exact words, is; How much does it cost us and will the customers continue to pay for it?
I'm fine with that to an extent as that's how business works. But when you're called out on it, step up and do the right thing.
This is spot on the experience I had with a loaded I7 imac circa 2014....ran hot, monitoring software proved it out....but apple said it was in operating temp....GPU burned up 2 months later.
It's actually about the consumer protection. Quick question to you, view on the VW emissions scandal, let's assume you don't care about how an internal combustion engine works, I'll even assume you don't care as you drive a car, though any issues with that? Should you as a consumer be told that the car you bought is not doing what it said on the shinny markerting....
It's not about the inner workings of a product .... the consumer has a right to know when companies make changes to how thier products work . Most will never ever care, that is not the point though.
Devices do throttle , though do you realise that The impact here can be that the iPhone gets slowed down to a generation or two behind depending on the battery , are you sure the customer should not know what a 6S is running like someone's 5?
The reason I am so angry is simple.
I will never trust Apple's management again. To do so would be foolish. No more Apple for me.
These apologists however make me very uneasy. Just how pervasive can Stockholm Syndrome be?
I will never trust Apple's management again. To do so would be foolish. No more Apple for me.
These apologists however make me very uneasy. Just how pervasive can Stockholm Syndrome be?
Good emphasis on all the time.
These newest 64-bit processor cores and SOCs are designed with so much headroom that they are never run anywhere close to each individual chip’s true capability. The amount of manufacturing variations from deep submicron fabrication that one needs to cover is astounding. And then they all get stuck in thin products with huge limitations on power and thermal dissipation, etc.
The IEEE and various academic journals have been publishing papers on “dark silicon” for around a decade now.
They have that issue on macOS , as does the customer .
There are also millions of users running older versions of iOS , as some have realised updating to the latest support version of iOS is not usually the best experience if you care about smooth performance.
- In early 2018, an iOS update will introduce new features
new features ... omg, have mercy
It sure does , it's a industry standard though something Microsoft and android know all to well. Apple is already spoilt by such a very very limited list of hardware devices they need to support . It's kinda lazy in comparison.
FYI - Apple has to do it on Mac side . Though they do cheat and kill support for older os in newer machines .
All the info released so far indicates that Apple is intentionally under-sizing their iPhone battery designs, not that there currently doesn’t exist a battery technology that can support the design. They could have used (slightly) larger batteries.
Even if that were the case, under the old battery the frequency never ever reached 1848mhz, as soon as I put a new battery it showed the higher clock. I guess as a skeptic and Apple blind follower one could propose that there is a conspiracy with the app developer and that he is cheating for some unknown reason. However looking at the facts, it was Apple that deceived users by sneaking in throttling without revealing it to anymore, I have no reason to doubt the app developer conspiring to increase clock numbers for no apparent motive.
Furthermore, please explain to me why Apple banned app developers and/or did not provide an easy way to see battery cycles/health? And now after the multiple lawsuits and scandals in this news announcement Apple promises to give us such functionality? What changed? Why couldn't they provide such information before, but now they promise that they will? It's pure greed and unethical behavior.
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Larger batteries wouldn’t be of any help. What’s needed is higher instantaneous current capacity, not more power capacity.
And they could also turn up the processor power. And then you’ld just have the same problem, except with a heavier thicker (but faster) iPhone. And they’ve done that. It’s called an iPad Pro with cellular.
It’s because Apple is rigging the system and shoving it down your throat to upgrade. You’re defending Apple as if this is common practice in the computing world, it isn’t. iOS is the only OS I’ve ever used that “requires me to update” to get the latest version of an app. It’s pretty customary to support older versions of software on Windows, OSX etc... With iOS, you could be on last year’s software and unable to get a new version of an released. It’s insane and my least favorite part about Apple’s walled garden approach.
Just wait until the lawsuits start, and those internal emails where this issue was discussed become public record.
I've done too much of my share of building , overclocking and chasing "scores" in my time, I've not met a GPU or CPU that did not work exactly to the specs , of anything the latest generations have so many safeguards they are boring in how they perform exactly as spec'd
Where things get interesting is how you build a system around them, I've messed up - cough - power supply ....and yeah... poor performance
Also with silicon , they test throughly , my failed xeons are intels extreme edition chips
my titan GPU, did not make the grade, they work 100% to their specs though. If I'm off to the discussion, tell me.