But shouldn't you at least notify your user if the hardware is crashing because battery is so degraded?
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But shouldn't you at least notify your user if the hardware is crashing because battery is so degraded?
I can't see the justification for hiding... I just can't
Don’t these scale pretty closely for single cell batteries of a similar construction and technology?
Apple: We got caught, we're sorry you bought a new device because you thought your old one was just too slow. We're still going to charge you to replace your battery, just not as much. And by the way, if our diagnostics show your battery is okay anyways, we're still not going to replace it.
Why are people praising them over this? I love Apple but open your eyes people. They were caught doing something pretty drastic and they still spun it so they make money off of the back end. This is ridiculous.
Why are people praising them over this? I love Apple but open your eyes people. They were caught doing something pretty drastic and they still spun it so they make money off of the back end. This is ridiculous.
Unbelievable. Truly.
In more cases than not a larger battery DOES have more instantaneous current available.
When people talk about batteries they are generally talking about a constant voltage. So when I order my car, (or torch or radio or UPS) with a larger battery the DC bus remains at the same voltage level but the available current is increased.
When you order loads more options on your 11 Series BMW they don't give you a 24V battery in place of a 12V item they give you a 150Ah battery in place of a 100Ah item.
The short circuit current on the bigger battery is higher as is the nominal current/time available at a given voltage.
Power is the product of current and voltage, you know this right?
Im late to the thread but remember the Samsung vs. TSMC processor brewhaha when the 6S came out? TSMC was more efficient 2-10%, Samsung was more fast but used more battery. Has anybody compared the TSMC 6S vs. the Samsung processor?
Same thing happened with my iMac. I feel very uncomfortable when my computers hit 100 Celsius , though if you take it into apple, it's considered fine. In time it will die . Though most people don't push these machines so we are edge cases
I can’t tell if you’re serious or joking, but it’s funny either way!
Yeah the $50 discount that they have to approve is something people are missing. Bigger problem on this forum is people in denial that this is not even an issue......
That’s one way to do it (more cells in parallel, and increasing conductor size to handle the increased current) but not necessarily the preferred way. Better to change the construction and chemistry, adjust anode/cathode sizes and materials, etc.
Interesting.
You think I’m defending Apple because I’m not bashing them?
I’m just discussing the possible logic behind apples methods.
I do believe there are some decisions Apple makes to entice customers to buy certain products and features Apple purposely doesn’t enable(iPhone X gestures on all iPhones) but I don’t think the throttling “issue” isn’t one of them.
Constant crashing would make me want to upgrade more than a slow but functional and stable phone would.
My thinking is that if benchmarks were what broke the story in the first place we’ll be able to see just how much they affect things as people retest their devices with fresh batteries now being cognizant of the fact that that’s a factor. I understand completely not telling people about this particular issue ahead of time. And I agree with those saying that it’s the engineers business and nobody else. And at the same time Appel has done this to themselves in the sense that having a unified design on their operating systems i.e. no customization means the phones from years ago must go through all of the same processes as those being sold currently as long as the hardware support some version of it. I don’t care if it’s a computer or a phone or any other electronic, if you burden a device with processes that require cycles that newer devices do for “free“ meaning that there are some hardware that just takes care of it and doesn’t require the processor to pick up the load, you’re going to get punished severely in terms of performance. This has been the case with graphics cards forever and any situation where you begin loading tasks intended for hardware on to software aka raw CPU. So it’s kind of a double whammy on those old phones.
You really think they’re making money off of charging $29 to replace a battery on “old” out of warranty phones?
How hard is it to provide some backup of your previous claims? You seem intelligent enough, are you just being belligerent?
Yeah they could of done it a better way probably but I’m not that fussed by the time my 6s battery was bad I was looking forward to my iPhone X
Actually constant crashes would see you get a replacement unit under consumer protection laws. Apple knows this all to well, hence is playing this card that they have done this for the benefit of the consumer, while it actually saves them $$$$ , especially since some countries have very strong consumer laws.
Questions:
How is battery life impacted if the iPhone is used significantly while on charge? (A person might be sitting near a power supply most of the day. This will happen more often now inductive charging top-ups are a thing.)
Is this a cellular thing? Why no mention of iPad or iPod?
How is battery life impacted if the iPhone is used significantly while on charge? (A person might be sitting near a power supply most of the day. This will happen more often now inductive charging top-ups are a thing.)
Is this a cellular thing? Why no mention of iPad or iPod?
It's not the battery. There are people with 'good' batteries that are still throttled. There are people that are throttled even if the phone is plugged into the wall.....how much more current does the phone need? If it indeed is the battery then Apple are purposely making phones that only work well for about one year because everyone knows batteries degrade over time so make a phone that still functions well with a degraded battery (50% cpu throttling all the time is not functioning well imo). My 2011 Macbook battery has never been changed and it's not randomly shutting down due to current draw from an old battery. What happens is because the battery is so old it....well, it just drains to zero quicker (like most devices)......processor performance unchanged. I've just compared 2 products made by the same company. iPhone users are getting hosed.
Phone plugged into a wall is irrelevant. When you plug in the cpu is still drawing power from the battery, not the wall. And if the battery can’t supply current (irrespective of its power capacity) then it has to throttle.
2018 Mac rumours headline : Apple buys Geekbench .
Just read a report the French are considering criminal charges against Apple.
It is illegal to do planned obsolesce in France. It can cost prison time and up to 5% of the company profits.
This is going to get interesting.
It is illegal to do planned obsolesce in France. It can cost prison time and up to 5% of the company profits.
This is going to get interesting.
Maybe Apple could make an update to add a “layer” or endpoint to check before it goes directly to the battery before the decisions to throttle takes place. That way a battery case or being plugged into an external power source would prevent throttling. Eh I’m not en engineer so please forgive my spitballing lol
Yes. Reddit did an analysis on this. Battery cost was $4.20 or so. Apple makes a profit from this.