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Well you're absolutely wrong. They WILL tell you. At least here in Europe where we have something we call Consumer Protection.

and anyway don't you have to pass inspection every year???
Making an all inclusive statement like you made doesn't do you any favors. Again, I am not wrong, my personal experience should tell you that. My state doesn't have a yearly inspection. But I am informed, I know to check my tires, pressure, wear, cracks etc. Same goes for my rechargeable batteries.
 
apple phones should work like all other battery devices.

Same performance, shorter battery life.

Stop white knighting.
Sorry, I just got done posting other posters on MacRumors have claimed other manufacturers have to the same issue with phones shutting down.

Stop believing this is a unique apple issue.
 
ABS is designed to improve your driving experience though. Slowing down a phone is not an improvement in any way.

I wouldn’t say it’s to improve your driving experience. It’s to prevent accidents. Which is what Apple is doing. Imagine your phone shutting down when you need to make some emergency calls.
 
This thread is blowing up. And it’s all over the news too. Is this officially now a “gate” lol?

Throttlegate?

"Apples $1750 iphone is only good for a year at best without expensive servicing due to piss poor battery and CPU matching which they have covered up by clandestinely throttling the CPU to reduce power draw on batteries so that the millions of iphones sold in the last few years to don't become useless bricks overnight from voltage spike shutdowns resulting in massive warranty claims and a ruined reputation for design and quality" - Gate
 
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While I get your analogy about improving technology, I would not regard the throttling of a CPU for battery preservation a safety issue, unless for some reason the phone shutting down would cause a person injury.

To your analogy, I can tell when ABS is actively controlling the brakes. ABS should be active all the time, though. If it's not, there's an indicator that it's not active.

Auto shutdown for the iPhone happens ONLY when the processor load relative to battery charge could potentially damage the phone. Similarly, ABS only kicks in when the car speed and/or pavement conditions require it. Obviously, both systems are monitoring what's going on at all times when the car/phone is running.
 
apple phones should work like all other battery devices.

Same performance, shorter battery life.

Stop white knighting.

Well, in the best of all worlds, they would have told us in advance, and given us a setting to choose which behavior we get.

Of course, how many people never read what they send us, and how much does Apple really like to create more settings that most people don't bother to understand anyway?

Get off it. If phones shut down more, people would have been upset too.
 
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I highly doubt they gave it that much thought. Rather, the team tasked with iOS power management doesn’t/didn’t communicate with the team tasked with repairs. So, the repair team sets a minimum standard for battery repalcement based on overall capacity whereas the power management team sets a minimum standard based on “delivering peak energy loads.”

So yeah...Apple tells someone the battery is fine and within specification. Then Apple throttling the phone. All you can come up is this BS?
 
ABS is a built-in safety mechanism for cars. Auto shutdown is a built-in safety mechanism for iPhones. Neither the user of the car or the user of the iPhone is going to be specifically aware of the exact scenarios where that safety mechanism is going to activated. And neither safety mechanism is intended to be active all of the time...only in very specific situations. Following that?

Apple then added an additional layer to the safety mechanism for the iPhone that slowed processor speeds instead of activating the auto shutdown. So it's just the evolution of the safety mechanism. Are you personally aware of the evolution of ABS safety mechanisms through the years? Probably not. But that doesn't mean something is being done "behind your back" in a deceptive manner. It's an attempt to improve the technology.
Garbage analogy. The information is widely available of how abs works and I can tell when it is working. No one knew Apple was slowing down phones.

A better analogy would be if your brake pads / rotors starts to wear down the ecu in the car limits the horsepower and torque of the car from 300hp to 150hp. The manufacturer would not tell anyone and when customers go into the dealship saying their car is slow the service advisor says all is good.
 
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Only my own, my state doesn't have a yearly inspection. But I am informed, I know to check my tires, pressure, wear, cracks etc. Same goes for my rechargeable batteries.

that's very good for you and bravo!

In most parts of the world in order pass the yearly inspection you need to have tires in good condition.

When you buy new tires they will tell you the mileage.

When I take my BMW (also a bmw owner funny huh?) for service they check my tires (pressure, condition etc)

If my tire pressure is low I get a warning light. There are so many warning lights in a BMW !!! But the horsepower and torque of my car remains the same even if I totally remove the tires from the car :)))))
 
You're right, Apple should have just let that previous phone die and they would have bought a new phone anyway.

I agree. Instead of being thankful for all that Apple has done for the world in the past decade, they whine until they get a coupon for $50 off a fresh battery. Just awful.

I wish Apple would have just cut 'em loose. Stand up for themselves for once, not cave to bad press, quit this Antennagate playbook, and for once tell it like it is. Batteries are full of fail. People are full of fail. If you are the type to constantly top off your iPhone's battery and strain it to the max by treating it more like a television instead of the telephone it's supposed to be, that's on you, not us.

Thank God for the recent price increases driving the new iPhone's up to $849 and $1250. The iPhone userbase correction is right around the corner.
 
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Making an all inclusive statement like you made doesn't do you any favors. Again, I am not wrong, my personal experience should tell you that. My state doesn't have a yearly inspection. But I am informed, I know to check my tires, pressure, wear, cracks etc. Same goes for my rechargeable batteries.
Good point. My state doesn't have a yearly inspection either. But I know to check the oil, tire pressure, condition of the wiper blades, windshield fluid. If my tires are worn, it's the rare case I would opt to buy a new car, rather than a set of tires.
 
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What annoys me about this and other things like it is that it sets the precedent that an uninformed public can develop an "outcry" over anything get a result out of Apple. Real shame. The public didn't deserve this level of compromise from Apple. Intelligent CPU management of a device powered by lithium-ion battery is expected and appropriate, and really no one's business besides the engineers.
People could tell their phones were being slowed after installing iOS updates. If there hadn't been a noticeable change afterward, these allegations would have gone nowhere. Instead it turns out that everyone was correct. But the customer doesn't "deserve" to know what's happening to their device? I guess Apple followers really do border on the cult-level sometimes.
 
ABS is a built-in safety mechanism for cars. Auto shutdown is a built-in safety mechanism for iPhones. Neither the user of the car or the user of the iPhone is going to be specifically aware of the exact scenarios where that safety mechanism is going to activated. And neither safety mechanism is intended to be active all of the time...only in very specific situations. Following that?

Apple then added an additional layer to the safety mechanism for the iPhone that slowed processor speeds instead of activating the auto shutdown. So it's just the evolution of the safety mechanism. Are you personally aware of the evolution of ABS safety mechanisms through the years? Probably not. But that doesn't mean something is being done "behind your back" in a deceptive manner. It's an attempt to improve the technology.

Yeah you do, ABS only works when you slam on the breaks. The user of the car knows exactly when ABS will kick in , it's in an emergency scenario when they slam the breaks..... do you understand how ABS works ?

ABS is irrelevant to a throttling scenario here. , makes no sense, well maybe To you. Your whole point is if the user does not understand the inner workings of x feature.... it's okay for Apple to throttle our devices ? How on earth are you relating ABS a life saving feature to ...... slowing down of iPhones?

Go on intrigue me. Can believe I'm being suckered into a car analogy here ..... but this will be entertaining
 
Making an all inclusive statement like you made doesn't do you any favors. Again, I am not wrong, my personal experience should tell you that. My state doesn't have a yearly inspection. But I am informed, I know to check my tires, pressure, wear, cracks etc. Same goes for my rechargeable batteries.

One question for you. For those of us who are so unfortunate and uneducated if we ask our dealer if our tires need to be changed they will tell us.

Why did apple tell me that my battery is fine when I asked precisely that? Why should I trust my own uninformed judgement and not what the apple professional who knows everything told me?
 
that's very good for you and bravo!

In most parts of the world in order pass the yearly inspection you need to have tires in good condition.

When you buy new tires they will tell you the mileage.

When I take my BMW (also a bmw owner funny huh?) for service they check my tires (pressure, condition etc)

If my tire pressure is low I get a warning light. There are so many warning lights in a BMW !!! But the horsepower and torque of my car remains the same even if I totally remove the tires from the car :)))))

How wrong you are. Car engines will degrade too. And over the years they WILL lose horsepower and torque. Does your car dealer tell you that when you’re making the purchase? No. And when you do feel like your car is getting slow and you go back to your dealer, does he or she tell you “oh well your engine is getting old and degraded so performance is dropping” No. So what do you do? Do you rebuilt the engine? Not many people do. Most will just replace their car.
 
Garbage analogy. The information is widely available of how abs works and I can tell when it is working. No one knew Apple was slowing down phones.

A better analogy would be if your brake pads / rotors starts to wear down the ecu in the car limits the horsepower and torque of the car from 300hp to 150hp. The manufacturer would not tell anyone and when customers go into the dealship saying their car is slow the service advisor says all is good.
Not even a good try.
How do you know when ABS is working and not working? Two ways, first if is you get a notification on your dashboard that ABS has a fault, Apple should have done something like that.
The second way is when you hit your brakes hard activating the ABS system, only then will you ever feel ABS working.
 
ABS is designed to improve your driving experience though. Slowing down a phone is not an improvement in any way.

Not even that. It's an "emergency only" assist feature to prevent a car from skidding. Day to day it is never utilised .

Guess he is trying to compare a horrible car crash to an iPhone crashing.... and this is apple's ABs..... he Should be thinking speed limiter, or loose spark plug while the car potters along - buy a whole new car ....
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Why do folks continue to insist that phones and cars are analogous?

Other than their price points are threatening to converge :D

I know ! Sorry for biting
 
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that's very good for you and bravo!

In most parts of the world in order pass the yearly inspection you need to have tires in good condition.

When you buy new tires they will tell you the mileage.

When I take my BMW (also a bmw owner funny huh?) for service they check my tires (pressure, condition etc)

If my tire pressure is low I get a warning light. There are so many warning lights in a BMW !!! But the horsepower and torque of my car remains the same even if I totally remove the tires from the car :)))))
So you are REQUIRED to change your tires when your car has met a certain mileage? Sure glad my country doesn't have that. (PS, my BMW dealers, yes me too, NEVER told me that tires had to be replaced at a certain mileage. Ever!)
 
"Apples $1750 iphone is only good for a year at best without expensive servicing due to piss poor battery and CPU matching which they have covered up by clandestinely throttling the CPU to reduce power draw on batteries so that the millions of iphones sold in the last few years to don't become useless bricks overnight from voltage spike shutdowns resulting in massive warranty claims and a ruined reputation for design and quality" - Gate

Hahahahahaha! Love it!
 
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Well this has been completely overblown and yet they still make a change. How about all the complainers of battery degradation put their time into complaining about something legit like how the OS is stale and we need a full blown new OS to go along with the future X type devices. There's so40%mething I can get behind.. but battery issues.. psh.. there wasn't anything here to begin with.
While I agree that iOS is in need of a facelift/re-design I think that the battery issues are even worse. I've had serious battery issues soon after I got 6s, then Apple replaced the battery for free due to being faulty and now a year later they have throttled my device due to bad battery performance. On top of that the battery level indication is all messed and can go from 40% to 25% in less than a minute and I'm constantly anxious about running out of juice, preventing myself from using my phone when I want to in order make sure I have enough battery for an emergency call at the end of the day. This is beyond crappy user experience that Apple doesn't care to address.
 
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How wrong you are. Car engines will degrade too. And over the years they WILL lose horsepower and torque. Does your car dealer tell you that when you’re making the purchase? No. And when you do feel like your car is getting slow and you go back to your dealer, does he or she tell you “oh well your engine is getting old and degraded so performance is dropping” No. So what do you do? Do you rebuilt the engine? Not many people do. Most will just replace their car.

yes 1-2 horses will die in 4-5 years..... not 60% of them in 1 year.... and if I ask the dealer why my car feels slower (which it doesn't - I had lot of fun in Nurburgring recently) they will not tell me it's because I need to change my car. OF COURSE they will tell you it's the engine!....and there are always minor or major improvements.

and can we please stop those non sense car analogies??
 
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