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Apple to Offer $29 iPhone Battery Replacements, More Battery Health Info in iOS
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The Apple Culture of Secrecy must die. Apple Transparency must replace it. No more secrets. No more "Oh and one more thing". Just tell us what's coming months in advance. Zero surprises.
In the end they were caught and that’s all that matters tbh. Note to self first things to install on getting a new iPhone are Geekbench AnTuTu and Coconut Battery. Once throttling begins argue with the Apple store employees and get out with a newer battery.
Of course it does.....anyone who bothered to understand the issue would know this
He does not even understand the issue and keeps repeating the same lines he got from somewhere, all throttling is identical, cause the word throttle is used....ahhhhhh
Yeah, instead their users get to enjoy their phones shutting down mid-phone call, mid-camera snap, mid-tweet. Huge win for Samsung.
Right...and "level of perceived change" is going to be specific to the load placed on the processor relative to battery charge. Is that going to happen regardless of the app and regardless of battery charge? No. The more demanding the app and the lower the charge, the more likely you might experience throttling to prevent an auto shutdown. This isn't all that different to the level of heat created by more demanding apps. The more demanding the app, the more likely it could spike the peak power demand (just as it would be more likely to generate excess heat). That can potentially cause issues when the battery is too low, thus the need for some level of control.
That's fine. But having the courts make a decision against (or for) apple is independent of the sequence of events.
you're so full of BS.... had 3 Samsungs in my life and I never had all those problems....
Yup but that’s how some fans are. Before this issue exploded some members in this thread even told me this issue was below dignity of Apple to comment on and the user didn’t need to be notified of this. Apple ended up issuing 2 clarifications days apart and providing a notification for this. So it’s clear who is on the right here.Of course it does.....anyone who bothered to understand the issue would know this
He does not even understand the issue and keeps repeating the same lines he got from somewhere, all throttling is identical, cause the word throttle is used....ahhhhhh
You forgot two points:
- Apple made it impossible for the affected users to learn that a battery replacement would improve their iPhone's performance, in some cases significantly.
- Apple managed to refuse to replace batteries on phones that were under Apple Care+ in a situation that most sensible people would think should be covered by an extended warranty.
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Unrelated to this issue.
Apple, Android.....windows , all suffer from, random restarts / shutdowns.
I can list at least three friends of mine who have owned older Samsung devices and ran into this before a battery replacement and told me about it.
That is incorrect. CPUDasherX is not a benchmark program. It is a system information utility. I’ve seen it reporting a 6s running @ 600 MHz. Immediately after getting new battery, it reported the cpu clock at 1848 MHz.
Good thing it backfired. I think every average Joe on the street would know this in a week.
No, most true shutdowns (not resprings on iOS, which are different) were, in fact, directly tied to batteries. That’s why iOS 10.2.1 fixed it.
so you never had a Samsung.. you can list the experience of people you know that they know people etc...
I can list MY experience... You're exaggerating the issues.. My Samsung when low on battery didn't shutdown. I would always plug them at around 5-8% power... Never had a problem.
(had Samsung S2, S3, S6 and S7 - I still have in my possession the S3 and S7 )
The idea of point-comment (as you said) is to actually have some relevence to the point being commented on.
A random collection of buzzwords found in the thread doesnt.
Throttle scenario A: demanding application generates excess heat that could damage the phone. The solution is to throttle the processor in a way that prevents heat levels from reaching a damaging level.
Throttle scenario B: demanding application generates peak power draw that could damage the phone when battery is too low. The solution is to throttle the processor in a way that prevents the power draw from reaching a damaging level.
People seem to be trying to claim that A is understandable, but B is not.
Lol. This is like when someone accuses you of murder. Instead of saying “I didn’t do it!” they say “you can’t prove it!”
Here's the timeline of what happened:
This is a coverup for what should be the biggest product recall in history. As long as Apple has people yelling at each other over battery chemistry, they win.
- AppleCare's escalation team approaches Engineering and says, "We're seeing a ton of in and out of warranty returns and repairs due to degraded batteries. This is costing us millions of dollars. Can you figure out why the iPhone 6/s failure rate is so much higher than normal?
- Engineering gets ahold of some Failure Analysis captures from the field to reproduce the issue. They find that when the battery voltage drops due to age or cold weather, the sudden shutdowns occur.
- They look at the peak voltage demands from the iPhone 6/s relative to the battery output curve.
- They realize the fundamental design defect in the iPhone 6/s: the device's peak voltage demand was way, way too high relative to the battery's capabilities. This defect was not present in previous devices, and was fixed in the iPhone 7.
- Engineering, AppleCare, Marketing and sundry Management discuss next steps. They're not going to do a recall, admitting the design defect, because the PR and financial hit would be in the tens of billions. They don't want to keep replacing phones or batteries, because that's costing millions. They're not going to put in UI letting users know their battery needs serviced, because Marketing forbids any public discussion of anything being wrong with Apple products.
- Engineering says, "This is just a voltage problem. If we drop the clocks, we can ensure the devices never go over the peak battery voltage." Thanks to the power management hw & sw, they have good data on the battery voltage potential. The CPU already runs at lots of different clock speeds, depending on load. So it was a very simple change to detect the battery voltage max, and set the max clock speed below that threshold. Problem solved.
- Engineering Management tells senior Execs "Okay, we have a fix for the sudden shutdown failures, but devices are going to be slower as a result. We really need to surface this to users, to mitigate the bad experience." Marketing says absolutely not we never say anything is wrong with Apple products. AppleCare says please just ship it, we have a huge pile of defective phones building up.
- Apple rolls the dice and ships the silent software change, hoping the expensive returns will go down, customers will at least be able to use their devices, if in a degraded state, and prays no one will ever figure out the hack.
- People slowly start figuring out their devices are slower. Finally the GeekBench guys query their database, and the CPU clock/voltage throttling sticks out like a sore thumb.
- All hell breaks loose, and here we are.
This is a coverup for what should be the biggest product recall in history. As long as Apple has people yelling at each other over battery chemistry, they win.
Wonder what will happen to people who paid $79 to replace batteries a few months ago...
Well they really should
Tires loose a lot of their initial elasticity and adherence , even when not being used and especially when exposed to the sun for prolonged periods of time
Think of what they are made of
With a car this is important , with a motorcycle it is crucial
Here we are talking about cars again ...
Now. Do you have a proof that this is happening? I certainly never experienced phone shutting down mid phone call, even with the OG Moto G...
However, I do know iPhone will not work at cold environment... It is -30 outside... And iPhone won't work