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Yes and no. The difference is that the Palm Pre's WebOS actually accesses internal hardware calls. iPhone's "original" Web App strategy never had this capability.

w00master

Am I understanding correctly that the Pre will allow (essentially) random HTML/JavaScript apps to directly access internal hardware? Wow.

Pull JavaScript out of the sandbox and watch all sorts of security issues crop up.
 
Am I alone in wanting a more robust email client? As in:
-Mail Search
-Sort by Sender, Subject, Date
-Distribution Lists
EDIT: - Ability to save a phone number from an email to contacts without calling the number.

I rarely see anyone mention these missing features. I think they'd really add productivity for the business user.

You are not alone.
 
It will be a massive disappointment. For those thinking that it will "copy" and match the Pre, I seriously doubt it. Most likely a better way to buy things at iTunes or to access iTunes media content. Like streaming your media wifi or on the net.

It's hard to match the Pre, it's an unreleased product that looks like only so much vaporware at this point. The innovative parts of the Pre appear to be rip-offs of Apple's intellectual property. Not too worried about it personally.

I do agree with one point you've raised. I suspect that the new functions in the AESB/TC & MobileMe will play a part in new features of the iPhone OS. Perhaps we'll be able to browse, access, and manipulate files stored back in our home network from the new iPhone?
 
I think I will be pretty pissed if they decide to announce a new iPhone. I just got this one month or two ago and I really don't want to buy another one. I just want a kick ass software update and keep my current phone!

This seems to be a software/firmware event, not an iPhone event. A next-generation (or next model) iPhone will most likely come out in June or July. Schiller even mentioned their product timetables with those months in it back at MWSF.

Even if they do come out with one in a week, why would you be pissed? New stuff comes out all the time. I didn't @#%C( and moan (too much) when my Mac mini purchase was followed 5 weeks later with the Intel models and my MacBook Pro purchase was followed 5 weeks later by a new revision that upgraded the CPU, RAM and HDD.
 
Am I understanding correctly that the Pre will allow (essentially) random HTML/JavaScript apps to directly access internal hardware? Wow.

Pull JavaScript out of the sandbox and watch all sorts of security issues crop up.

Why do you think they call it the WebOS? It's why 3D rendering will be capable for app writers on the Pre down the line. That is, if Palm survives.

w00master
 
I have something I want to add.

The 3.0 software has to be backwards compatible. Here are my thoughts:

Apple and it's Developers are going to want to sell applications to as many users as possible. Why would Apple put a restriction on which iPhone OS runs on which iPhone model? Are the developers then supposed to make 2 separate apps... one that is iPhone 2.x compatible and one that is iPhone 3.x compatible just to make sure their Apple is sellable to anyone? From a buisness point of view, I don't think Apple wants to make it that complicated. There should be one iPhone OS that runs on all iPhones. I don't think they really want to start alienating iPhone 3G owners. Besides, if you DO need new hardware to run the new OS, why would Apple demonstrate the new OS months before the new hardware and get us all excited and then say... Oh, sorry... you have to buy our new iPhone to get the new software features. iPhone 3G users are still paying AT&T and Apple, so we should be treated fairly.

While I agree with you about THIS update, let's not forget that this is the philosophy that has gotten Windows in trouble - having to maintain backward compatibility. It is a given that Apple will not kill several months of sales of the iPhone 3G while waiting for the next hardware by making the new OS incompatible with at least that generation of hardware. The first-gen iPhone will be out of its 2 year mandatory contract window by that time, so they can legitimately make it obsolete (but no less useful than it already is BTW) if they need to do so and have shown on the Mac side that they are willing to do just this for paradigm shifts (9 to OS X, PPC to Intel).
 
I disagree. Because of the App Store, I would be seriously surprised if iPhone 3.0 did *not* work on the original iPhone/iPod Touch.

Don't forget that Apple makes 30% of all sales on the App Store. Making iPhone 3.0 not accessible for original iPhone/iPod Touch users, Apple would be losing out on a big chunk of sales.

I'm sure there may be certain features that won't work for original iPhone/iPod Touch users (like GPS), but I'm nearly certain that iPhone OS 3.0 will be available for original users.

w00master

Who said the App Store will be a different store on 3.0? 2.0 and 3.0 will have the same store but some apps will be 3.0 only, like how every app works with the iPhone 3G but some don't work with the iPhone and iPod Touch due to the iPhone's lack of GPS and the iPod's lack of a camera, GPS, and cellular network.
 
I am one of those still waiting and hoping for MMS. Cut and Paste I can live without. But I use MMS an awful lot.
 
IRISH TOO! HIGH FIVE!

BTW Ireland never even had snakes to begin with. Pretty easy for him to claim it was him who got rid of them :D

Now lets get to work on getting an Irish Apple Store, eh descsramble? :rolleyes:

... the Genius Bar will have Guiness on tap, and the store will be called the iPub

:p
 
I doubt it'll arrive on Tuesday, I'd like sync with my Tasks. I use tasks all of the time and would like to see this feature soon.
 
Who said the App Store will be a different store on 3.0? 2.0 and 3.0 will have the same store but some apps will be 3.0 only, like how every app works with the iPhone 3G but some don't work with the iPhone and iPod Touch due to the iPhone's lack of GPS and the iPod's lack of a camera, GPS, and cellular network.

I'll give you that, but the other reason why I doubt this is b/c it's well known that the current iPhone 3G has essentially the exact same guts as the original iPhone. Using my incredible deductive reasoning, if iPhone OS 3.0 works for iPhone 3G, why wouldn't they do it for the original?

Then again, Apple has done crazy things before. LOL.

I also mentioned the GPS/camera issue, however you will note that iPhone 2.0 still was available (for free btw) for the original iPhone. I have no doubt this will continue for 3.0.

w00master
 
While I agree with you about THIS update, let's not forget that this is the philosophy that has gotten Windows in trouble - having to maintain backward compatibility. It is a given that Apple will not kill several months of sales of the iPhone 3G while waiting for the next hardware by making the new OS incompatible with at least that generation of hardware. The first-gen iPhone will be out of its 2 year mandatory contract window by that time, so they can legitimately make it obsolete (but no less useful than it already is BTW) if they need to do so and have shown on the Mac side that they are willing to do just this for paradigm shifts (9 to OS X, PPC to Intel).

You're correct about this. However, the difference here is that the processor, etc. for both the original iPhone and 3G are virtually identical. So, why not give it to original iPhone users then? It's not like there will be a "hit" in performance between original and 3G.

w00master
 
It's probably already mentioned (I'm not gonna read 17 pages...), but I seriously hope this OS has Copy/Paste, and some more customizable themes.
 
I'll give you that, but the other reason why I doubt this is b/c it's well known that the current iPhone 3G has essentially the exact same guts as the original iPhone. Using my incredible deductive reasoning, if iPhone OS 3.0 works for iPhone 3G, why wouldn't they do it for the original?

Then again, Apple has done crazy things before. LOL.

I also mentioned the GPS/camera issue, however you will note that iPhone 2.0 still was available (for free btw) for the original iPhone. I have no doubt this will continue for 3.0.

w00master

But it's Apple. They want you to keep buying their newest thing. A lot of their hardware, like mice, keyboard, and iPhones/iPods don't work with Macs unless they're running OS 10.4.10, even though they'd probably work fine with a slightly earlier OS. Everyone who bought a first generation iPhone will be up for a new contract soon. If Apple wants to give them a reason to upgrade they'll say "Hey, you can't get this software on your phone so buy a new one." And they'll do the same to the iPhone 3G when iPhone OS 4.0 is announced.
 
I doubt it'll arrive on Tuesday, I'd like sync with my Tasks. I use tasks all of the time and would like to see this feature soon.

This is something I would like, too. Also, I'd like to see background notifications so that applications can either be set get messages from the same PUSH server that apple uses. I'd also like apps to be able to request the operating system to do something at a certain time -- for example, the app should be able ask the OS to open the original application at a set time for alarms and reminders.

I do not want copy and paste unless they somehow can make it easy. The touch interface is already complicated enough.
 
Wish list:
  • Landscape text and email
  • Contacts search
  • Copy and paste!
  • Faster web browsing/improved wifi

Contacts search exists in the current version.

I concur wholeheartedly.

While the average apple fanboy will defend Apple to his last keystroke, and try to flame a competitor's tech no matter HOW good it is, I betcha Apple took notice of the WebOS.
In fact, if Apple was smart (and I believe that they are) they should have downright freaked when they saw what Palm's WebOS could do. Apple now has to beat Palm to the punch and debut their own next gen multi-tasking mobile OS that is simply superior to all of the competition.

Steve Jobs and Apple will settle for nothing less!

What can WebOS do that the iPhone OS can't? Obviously, the WebOS demos have some features that iPhone OS doesn't. But most of the demonstrated advantages of WebOS are dependent on the newer hardware and application features. I haven't seen anything to indicate that WebOS is a better operating system than OS X.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. Just haven't seen enough of the WebOS to compare.
 
based on what?

It will be a massive disappointment. For those thinking that it will "copy" and match the Pre, I seriously doubt it. Most likely a better way to buy things at iTunes or to access iTunes media content. Like streaming your media wifi or on the net.

ummm....how do you know that? those improvements would not warrant a new os. nither would enhanced bluetooth and tethering like boygenius mentioned. more than likely it is an major overhaul of the os itself.
 
It would be cool if your photos immediately recognized faces from your iPhoto '09 library, or at least, let you manually tag faces on your photos.
 
LOL @ the guy that posted how he hopes 3.0 software breaks all the unlocks and "prevents competing app stores" if that doesn't sound like a monopoly I don't know.

Obviously, you don't know. Apple does not have a monopoly in the mobile phone market or the smartphone market.
 
Yep, I can...

Can you give me some examples of when they've over-promised and under-delivered? I've long admired that about Apple, that they don't generally unveil things until they're ready to be released which means not a lot of features promised beforehand.

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