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I think one of the interesting things in this year's release is whether or not OIS trickles down the 5" model.

And then hopefully the dual lens camera can trickle down the 2017 5" model, by which time I'll be set to upgrade from the SE.
 
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Not buying an iPhone until OLED or something truly major. - Happy 6 Plus owner

Yeah, it's looking like I'll be waiting too. Chances are good right now that my 6 Plus will probably be the first iPhone that I will have to replace the battery due to age/wear-and-tear.
 
1. The image quality of the iPhone sucks compare to my RX1, I'm not settling, you are

2. You said you wanted the best quality pictures to last a lifetime. That's not a phone camera.

And the part you ignored , Apple does not have the best camera, nor did it ever .

What you actually want is an iPhone with the best camera. Let's not confuse that with the best phone camera or best quality images possible .

Your are in luck , the 7 should have the best camera for an iPhone.

RX1 = $2800

How in the world is anyone comparing the two in the same context?

You must be some Elite snob or something. The iPhone has a very good camera in it but I am darn sure it's in no way close to an RX1. But again, how in the world are you comparing the two? It's like me saying the Honda Accord sucks compared to my Ferrari, I'm not settling. Huhhh?!!!
 
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It really seems all of the product lines will have non pro and pro versions. Even if not in name it will be in the specs.
 
Considering the frequency and details of the rumors prior to this years iPhone release, I'd say Apple seems to be both frantic and somewhat confused.

Headphone jack vs no headphone jack, frozen recycled design, ultra minor improvements so small only Devotees understand them. Controlled "leaks" to generate even more speculation, its a wild attempt to remain relevant in the face of stiff competition.

The list of features Androids offer that iPhone doesn't is staggering. Obvious and significant shortcomings from Apple. What are they thinking? Basic and easily implemented features like quick charge, wireless charging, true multitasking... the list goes on and on.

One thing is for certain, its all in Apple's hands. How they attempt to make a good impression this time around will be very interesting.
 
3GB RAM on one iPhone device! I bet they charge more for it, and for the better camera on it. Apple seems rather lost currently with all the rumours posted on here today, the only exciting one is the 2017 iPhone!
If they are going quad HD, that extra ram may be warranted.....too bad the iPad pro 9.7 owners will have to see a phone with more ram than them released this year....... talk about disenfranchisement.
 
RX1 = $2800

How in the world is anyone comparing the two in the same context?

You must be some Elite snob or something. The iPhone has a very good camera in it but I am darn sure it's in no way close to an RX1. But again, how in the world are you comparing the two? It's like me saying the Honda Accord sucks compared to my Ferrari, I'm not settling. Huhhh?!!!

Nice try.

RX1 cost me £150 more than my iPhone 6S Plus directly from Sony, and can be gotten at good prices these days....not the point.

read the thread. Guy said he paid for the best to take the best quality images. While the rx1 is my example, plenty of compacts that can do a much much better job than a phone. Irony is Nokia phones traditionally took much better pictures than iPhones. The poster was not after the best device to take the best pictures, but an iPhone and nothing but an iPhone.

FYI. If an iPhone is an accord.....lol to an RX1 being a Ferrari...ha ha. It's an excellent compact. elite snob....lol people are dropping $1100 for phones here....thinking they are Ferraris of the phone world...god forbid someone mentions a Sony camera...it's not a Leica mate!!!
 
Was there something completely wrong with the camera previously?

No, but should the camera not improve? Or Apple should just leave the camera alone for the sake of aesthetics? I certainly don't want that. And I also don't want a thicker/heavier iPhone just for the sake of making the camera flush. The iPhone 6s Plus is heavy enough. Camera modules and lenses need more depth than the rest of the hardware, hence thicker dimensions around the camera.

Apple/Jony Ive is CONSTANTLY criticized, by the same keyboard know-it-alls on this forum, for a perceived obsession with aesthetics at the cost of functionality. Yet at the same time, endlessly criticizing the AESTHETICS of a design decision that has tremendous functional benefits. Those are, much improved camera performance, without sacrificing in-hand feel/usability and size/weight.

Design has always been a matter of trade offs. At least when you live in reality. I feel like Apple is making the right trade offs. I don't want the pursuit of thinner/lighter to end just to avoid a silly I little bump around the camera. The pursuit of thinner/lighter has always led to OTHER innovations beyond that goal. When you're trying to solve problems, it tends to spark lightbulbs in other areas too. The Force Touch/trackpad and the Taptic Engine are two great features that probably arose from the challenges of going thinner. Which then led to 3D Touch on the iPhone. Or laminating displays to the cover glass, to make display assemblies thinner, also has the benefit of a sharper display that appears closer to the surface. Or eliminating the internal antenna system by making the metal enclosure act as an antenna, probably arose from internal space constraints from going thinner, but has the benefits of improved antenna performance and the ability to have higher quality enclosures made of metal without windows for radio penetration. And now we are going to get a brand new dual lens camera system with optical zoom and DSLR-like quality, that arose from the challenges of improving camera performance without making the camera module thicker. All sparked by the challenges of thinner/miniaturization.

A lot of innovative things have happened from Apples constant pursuit of miniaturization. It would be downright foolish to end that pursuit, just for the sake of having a flush rear exterior. It would be equally foolish to halt camera progression for the same reason.
 
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The camera in the smaller phone is still VERY good. Go big or go home lol (joking). I've had a 6 and 6s+ and found the camera's on both to be very good.

I hear you. It's just that we don't have a DSLR anymore for our family, so our phone is our family camera. So I don't like to miss out just because I don't want a phablet in my pocket!
 
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I hear you. It's just that we don't have a DSLR anymore for our family, so our phone is our family camera. So I don't like to miss out just because I don't want a phablet in my pocket!

Your not the only one, a lot of families (and people in general) are relying more on their smartphone camera's, I think Apple know this and is the reason why they improve it with each iPhone. Also from a business point of view it makes sense because it's a selling point.
 
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No, but should the camera not improve? Or Apple should just leave the camera alone for the sake of aesthetics? I certainly don't want that. And I also don't want a thicker/heavier iPhone just for the sake of making the camera flush. The iPhone 6s Plus is heavy enough. Camera modules and lenses need more depth than the rest of the hardware, hence thicker dimensions around the camera.

Apple/Jony Ive is CONSTANTLY criticized, by the same keyboard know-it-alls on this forum, for a perceived obsession with aesthetics at the cost of functionality. Yet at the same time, endlessly criticizing the AESTHETICS of a design decision that has tremendous functional benefits. Those are, much improved camera performance, without sacrificing in-hand feel/usability and size/weight.

Design has always been a matter of trade offs. At least when you live in reality. I feel like Apple is making the right trade offs. I don't want the pursuit of thinner/lighter to end just to avoid a silly I little bump around the camera. The pursuit of thinner/lighter has always led to OTHER innovations beyond that goal. When you're trying to solve problems, it tends to spark lightbulbs in other areas too. The Force Touch/trackpad and the Taptic Engine are two great features that probably arose from the challenges of going thinner. Which then led to 3D Touch on the iPhone. Or laminating displays to the cover glass, to make display assemblies thinner, also has the benefit of a sharper display that appears closer to the surface. Or eliminating the internal antenna system by making the metal enclosure act as an antenna, probably arose from internal space constraints from going thinner, but has the benefits of improved antenna performance and the ability to have higher quality enclosures made of metal without windows for radio penetration. And now we are going to get a brand new dual lens camera system with optical zoom and DSLR-like quality, that arose from the challenges of improving camera performance without making the camera module thicker. All sparked by the challenges of thinner/miniaturization.

A lot of innovative things have happened from Apples constant pursuit of miniaturization. It would be downright foolish to end that pursuit, just for the sake of having a flush rear exterior. It would be equally foolish to halt camera progression for the same reason.
The camera can improve but not at the expense of destroying another perfected aspect of the design. I didn't suggest Apple should not explore thinner, it should, I agree it forces a rethink of everything else. But clearly the camera module chosen isn't the right kind for the device, and the visible antenna lines and future smart dots are simply unresolved ideas that take the overall product design backwards.
 
Ming-Chi Kuo is like a weatherman, predict everything that way you will always be right.
 
Impossible. With the bigger screen comes a bigger phone. The bigger phone will always have a bigger battery for obvious reasons.

Bigger battery is obviously understandable. Need to fill that extra space with something...might as well be a battery. I wish the cameras were identical between the two models. It's a shame that they're not. I don't want to carry around a 5.5" phone.
 
I'm not believing the 3gb ram for one second. It took them 3 years to go from 1gb to 2gb ram.
 
3GB RAM, about time! I really hope they don't charge a "Pro" price for it. Also, I wish that they would've included this in the regular 7. It's kinda messed up that you have to buy the bigger phone to get the better specs.

Upsell is the name of the game at Apple these days. Let's hope the better camera "trickles down" to the smaller screened iPhone next year, maybe as another reason to wait besides the rumored redesign, mLED display, wireless charging, etc.
 
People make it more difficult than it should be. It's a little bit bigger than a wallet.

You need a purse to carry the iPhone 6 Plus since it doesn't fully fit in normal size pockets. Apple should hire someone to learn from the 5.7" Galaxy Note 5 and get rid of the iPhone's unnecessary bezel space.
 
I have a DSLR, but there are a lot of places it's impractical or burdensome to take. A camera in your phone mitigates those concerns. Some people enjoy taking quality photos. Some people want the best camera possible in the device they carry with them every day, all the time. Everyone has different needs, hobbies, desires and that's not a really difficult concept to understand.

I have a DSLR as well and I really enjoy taking pictures with it, but it is really inconvenient to carry it around. I'd say 90% of my pictures are taken with the smartphone, so while the best pics in my library are the one taken with the DSLR they're a minority.
I have a 6s and the camera is its weak point in my opinion. Sure, is great camera for a smartphone, but while I'm very happy about the speed of the phone and about the 3D touch I didn't notice a huge improvement in the quality of my pictures compared to the iPhone 5 and iPhone 6 I owned in the past. There are more MP, but in low light I still get poor quality.
I guess the future is dual lens, they can't improve the lens and since the phone is not going to get thicker they won't be able to put a bigger sensor behind the lens.
Of course DSLR will continue to be the best way to take great pictures, but there is room for improvement on the smartphone side and I'm really looking forward to seeing some new exciting solutions from Apple and other vendors
 
You need a purse to carry the iPhone 6 Plus since it doesn't fully fit in normal size pockets. Apple should hire someone to learn from the 5.7" Galaxy Note 5 and get rid of the iPhone's unnecessary bezel space.

I'm a man... I don't carry a purse. I own a 6 plus and an S7. I don't have a problem putting the 6 plus in my pocket. Stop wearing skinny jeans.

I do agree about the bezel space however.
 
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