Apple to Pull 'iDOS 2' DOS Emulator From App Store

[zorinlynx]

Sounds like you'd be happier with a non-Apple, non-iOS device.
One you can "sideload" an app to find you places that sell avocado toast and switchel in a smug (I meant mug).
But I understand what you mean: why can't I buy a new F-150 with a 3.5L twin-turbo engine, and then install a Dodge Ram transmission---with the warranty still intact and protected by Ford?
Deep thoughts for a Thursday, I'll tell ya.

No.

You see, I like EVERYTHING ELSE about Apple hardware and software. The way the UI works, the feel of the hardware, the reliability and quality. I don't LIKE Android devices.

It's a tradeoff right now; I like Apple devices so much more than Android that I'm willing to PUT UP WITH the inability to sideload easily to use Apple devices. I'd rather not have to put up with that and be able to sideload too.

People love to say "Just switch to Android" is if there aren't about a hundred other things about the Apple platform that I DO like and don't want to give up. Sideloading is something that would only affect users who decide to sideload; everyone else who wants to stick with the App Store can do so.

 

[binaryfuneral]

I agree. The suckers may stay with iOS. The rest should switch to Android which is a more flexible and secure platform.

lol you just called Android a secure platform? I'm onto you CCP.

 

[diddl14]

No. This is not the case for side-loading. It's a case of Apple needing to make simple exception to the rules whenever it makes common sense.

 

[aaronhead14]

Absolute tyranny. Apple can go screw themselves.

THIS is why we need competing app stores on iOS. THIS is why we need sideloading.

Apple has NO BUSINESS forcing us to have crippled devices. It’s MY device. I should be able to install WHATEVER I want on it.

 

[Thomas Harte]

If it offers any additional value at all: I was an iOS developer for almost the first decade of its life, and currently write a fully-native Mac-based emulator — Cocoa on top, Metal underneath. I have a developer programme membership because I prefer to sign my builds (and would be using the hardened runtime anyway, for the record, because it limits the amount I can accidentally screw up). I therefore could very easily release for iOS, and it would cost me an additional nothing.

But I won't because emulators are prima facie against the rules, and Apple doesn't seem to be consistent in the exceptions it applies.

 

[I7guy]

Absolute tyranny. Apple can go screw themselves.

THIS is why we need competing app stores on iOS. THIS is why we need sideloading.

Apple has NO BUSINESS forcing us to have crippled devices. It’s MY device. I should be able to install WHATEVER I want on it.

I hope it doesn't get to that. It would devalue the entire ecosystem.

 

[Deguello]

I hope it doesn't get to that. It would devalue the entire ecosystem.

I presume no one would be forced to install anything from an App Store other than Apple’s. Other stores would devalue the entire ecosystem not one iota for people who choose not to use them.

 

[aaronhead14]

I hope it doesn't get to that. It would devalue the entire ecosystem.

It wouldn’t devalue anything. Everything would be exactly the same as it is now, except for the users who want to enable sideloading.

 

[bobcomer]

The big problem with Windows is it's obsession with legacy support: although it was totally re-written in the mid-1990s with Windows NT, which has a proper security model, it still supports binaries from the Win16 era,

Not the 64-bit version of windows which is the default these days.

 

[atomic.flip]

yes, unless something changed i’m not aware of

If you backup your phone using iTunes on a desktop or laptop then you can also backup the apps. So even if you wipe the phone you can save those apps and get them back.

 

[sracer]

It wouldn’t devalue anything. Everything would be exactly the same as it is now, except for the users who want to enable sideloading.

"user choice" is not high on the list of priorities for Apple customers. Just look at many who suffer "paralysis by analysis" in trying to pick an iPad model, or storage capacity within a model.

Apple customers appreciate the way Apple restricts what they are able to do with the devices they buy. It gives them a SENSE of safety and security... even if it isn't quite true. They like being restricted from downgrading the firmware, and the safety that comes with being unable to sideload apps.

If Apple were to give users the choice to sideload apps, it would cause those who feel safe and secure to become unsettled... there would be a tension between that feeling of safety and FOMO (fear of missing out) if a sideloaded app became popular. The tension introduced by the ability to sideload would indeed devalue the platform for those people.

iOS devices were my primary mobile devices for quite a while. But after it became painfully obvious that Apple was slow-walking improvements (in order to sell more hardware over a longer period of time), I started to replace them for non-Apple devices when it made technical and financial sense to do so.

I like the ability to have an iPad Mini 5 that is different from my Android devices. The Mini serves a niche need but when I need to be productive on a mobile platform, that's where Android comes in. I don't want iOS/iPad OS to simply be another Android.

 

[atomic.flip]

The lack of adult apps is puzzling to me, seeing as they allow TikTok and other social media apps, which is the choice of pedophiles in seeking out victims these days. There are much more dangerous things in the App Store than adult content. Not to mention your kid can just open Safari and type in... well, use your imagination.

eh. I don’t mind the lack of “adult” apps as it stands. I mean there are all the ridiculous social apps and idk. It all seems insipid to me. But I didn’t know about tik tok being a source of such material and for the love of god pedophilia hell no. I’d prefer no adult apps ever if it kept that sort of stuff away from everyone than even chancing the alternative.

 

[meltman]

While the rest of us would have to give up the privacy and security features, and the developers would give up the major defense on piracy. Not a great trade to me.

How in the world do you conflate me having a choice on my device to do what I want with you losing privacy and security? As for piracy, dont you understand digital signatures?

 

[theluggage]

Not the 64-bit version of windows which is the default these days.

Which I said in the next sentence.... However, 32 bit Windows 10 is still supported & a quick Google finds people posting “Will there be a 32 bit version of Windows 11” - so it ain’t dead. Plus a a generation of users have already been trained to ignore UAC dialogs...

 

[I7guy]

I presume no one would be forced to install anything from an App Store other than Apple’s. Other stores would devalue the entire ecosystem not one iota for people who choose not to use them.

It wouldn’t devalue anything. Everything would be exactly the same as it is now, except for the users who want to enable sideloading.

It’s like building a garbage dump behind an apartment complex. While some may not care and live their life as if there wasn’t a mountain of toxic, smelly garbage in plain view…it would devalue the entire apartment complex.

 

[Deguello]

It’s like building a garbage dump behind an apartment complex. While some may not care and live their life as if there wasn’t a mountain of toxic, smelly garbage in plain view…it would devalue the entire apartment complex.

What a godawful analogy. There’s nothing smelly about what other people are running on their devices. You don’t even know.

If that’s the best you have, that should tell you something.

 

[bscheffel]

Well if Apple is attacking dos emulators that doesn't bode well for Parallels or any other virtualization/emulation software ever coming to iPadOS to open up new use cases beyond what the gimped iPadOS provides.

 

[bobcomer]

Which I said in the next sentence.... However, 32 bit Windows 10 is still supported & a quick Google finds people posting “Will there be a 32 bit version of Windows 11” - so it ain’t dead. Plus a a generation of users have already been trained to ignore UAC dialogs...

I know, but your praising seemed to try an obscure just what you can and cannot do, so i thought that repeating it was necessary. We haven't had 16 bit windows app compatibility for some time now...

No, it isn't dead, you can still get it if you need it, but almost all people don't get it.

Nobody I know has been "trained" to ignore UAC prompts any more than Apple users that type in their password every time MacOS or Linux prompts for it. In other words, you're complaining about privilege escalation and Windows isn't any different than any other OS. If they're set up as an administrator, they're an administrator.

 

[falkon-engine]

That's why I hope Apple will loose in court regarding alternate App stores. They raised good points but I hate their moral. Somedays I might even want to run an 'adult' App.

You can use safari for ‘adult’ purposes. Yet safari comes installed by default with no ability to remove it.

 

[aevan]

Absolute tyranny. Apple can go screw themselves.

THIS is why we need competing app stores on iOS. THIS is why we need sideloading.

Apple has NO BUSINESS forcing us to have crippled devices. It’s MY device. I should be able to install WHATEVER I want on it.

You know, I would almost accept this argument if they were spying on you or forcing you to give up your privacy or something, but sacrificing security for an emulator app? THIS is why we need sideloading?

No. There are some cases to be made for sideloading, some genuine good reasons (which still don't outweigh the negative consequences) - but THIS is not one of them. Not even close.

 

[MacPro2006VBox]

You know, I would almost accept this argument if they were spying on you or forcing you to give up your privacy or something, but sacrificing security for an emulator app? THIS is why we need sideloading?

No. There are some cases to be made for sideloading, some genuine good reasons (which still don't outweigh the negative consequences) - but THIS is not one of them. Not even close.

I mean there was Aemula Oldies, which was basically a far worse optimization of the original iDOS.

 

[techwhiz]

I own Mac's because they run BSD and I have the option to compile and run any BSD, Linux etc software I like. I can run VMware to run Linux or any other X86 OS I like (MacPro and MacBooks X86). I have iPads because I happen to like them. We have all Android phones in my house because Apple, way back when, told me I didn't need a big screen phone. Now I'm entrenched with Android and while I tolerate iPads because there are no decent Android tablets, I own my devices not the manufacturer.

I do not buy phones that I cannot unlock the bootloader on. If I chose to run an alternative OS on hardware I bought, It's my business. If I want to run an app that corrupts my device, as long as I don't go back to the manufacturer; it's my business.

This is all about Apple and what they can monetize and control.

 

[SigEp265]

Very reason I am running iTunes 12.6.5.3 on Mojave.
Can iTunes 12.8.3 load apps into the iOS devices?

How were you able to install 12.6.5.3 on Mojave? I tried to install it on High Sierra and it failed (after removing the original itunes). I got it to install on El Capitan but I am unable to download any of my purchased apps.

 

[DaveP]

My only question is how did this get approved in the first place?

And for those requesting Apple makes an exception, they need to be consistent in enforcement or it greatly weakens legal arguments for future court cases.

 

[MacPro2006VBox]

My only question is how did this get approved in the first place?

And for those requesting Apple makes an exception, they need to be consistent in enforcement or it greatly weakens legal arguments for future court cases.

It didn’t include games with it either which is even more bizarre. There wasn’t a loophole being exploited too.