Apple to Release iPhone With Glass Casing and AMOLED Screen in 2017

[uid15]

Do you really think Apple would not have the connections and money to find a world class designer to follow him?
Besides that there is guaranteed already a group that streamlines the design ideas
and Jony has the final say or they arrive jointly at decisions after discussing pros and cons.

Are you naive enough to think you can just cherry pick a designer with all the soul and style and the long learnt design language of a legendary industry icon? You're talking about people here, not mass produced items - you can't just go into a shop and pick up a new one with ALL the subtle engineering and materials/materials behaviour knowledge and gigantic breadth of intelligence and experise he has. New person = new tastes and new styles, which may OR MAY NOT work. Thankfully you're not the one with the task of hiring and firing at 

Do you think you could interview a "replacement" wife/child/whoever with all the same character traits, habit, tastes etc, if something happened to someone you know? Please, don't tell me you're serious

I refrain from using "face palm" too much, but this ludicrous naivety would be worthy of it.

 

[applezulu]

I know I posted this link just a few minutes ago but this is a more comprehensive reply.

Here are the facts about Kuo's accuracy.

He's not making hundreds of predictions and hoping some will stick. He's correct about 93% of the time (his accuracy hasn't gone down since that article was written): http://www.cultofmac.com/273923/ming-chi-kuo/

If we're being really tough on him, we could lower his accuracy to 86% but that's being overly strict (as in counting him wrong because his prediction about timing [but not product] was off).

I don't know him but if someone with that track record says something, I'm likely to believe him. If you don't believe what he says, you'll be wrong about 93% of the time. To doubt him is a misplaced skepticism.

Of course he's not the only source of rumors about upcoming Apple products but no one else is as prolific and accurate. To ignore him is to ignore a rumor with a high probability of being true. If MacRumors didn't cover his reports, they'd be a pretty poor rumor site.

I sincerely doubt that the list of predictions in that article are comprehensive of Kuo's output during the time period covered, and if anything was left out, then it's just an exercise in cherry-picking data points. It also doesn't factor in difficulty of predictions, or compare him head-to-head with other analysts.

The reason there is such skepticism about Kuo is the disturbing consistency of hype about the guy that must be included in virtually any article that cites him as a source. If Kuo's predictions are really 80% - 90% correct, it would seem wholly unnecessary to compliment his greatness every time he's mentioned. (It's also fairly odd that his actual existence as a human person is mostly an enigmatic mystery.)

The truth is that it would take someone a lot of time and effort to produce a statistically accurate and relevant analysis of the true 'reliability' of Kuo's output, again, factoring in a weighted analysis of predictions that are easy to guess versus those that require actual insight or inside information. That analysis would still only be meaningful if the process were repeated to determine comparable accuracy rates for a significant number of competitors, such that an average accuracy rate for the business could be determined. Only then could you meaningfully say if Kuo is actually any more 'reliable' than his competitors.

Alternatively, he could just have a publicist who requires that hype and praise be included if direct access to his information is to be granted. Any good propagandist knows that if you repeat something often enough, people will believe it's the truth. Any good fortune teller knows that if you include the word 'great' in your name and you keep your audience focused on the things you guessed correctly while moving quickly past the misses, they'll love the show and insist that you are magically clairvoyant.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Are you naive enough to think you can just cherry pick a designer with all the soul and style and the long learnt design language of a legendary industry icon? You're talking about people here, not mass produced items - you can't just go into a shop and pick up a new one with ALL the subtle engineering and materials/materials behaviour knowledge and gigantic breadth of intelligence and experise he has. New person = new tastes and new styles, which may OR MAY NOT work. Thankfully you're not the one with the task of hiring and firing at 

Do you think you could interview a "replacement" wife/child/whoever with all the same character traits, habit, tastes etc, if something happened to someone you know? Please, don't tell me you're serious

I refrain from using "face palm" too much, but this ludicrous naivety would be worthy of it.

A person who would follow Jony Ive would most likely not have the same traits as him.
It would obviously not be a total design novice, but I think at one point in his career even Jony started from scratch.
Every professional amasses a lot of knowledge in his/her field. The forward thinking persons pass on as much as possible, the bad ones don't.

You seem to not wanting to imagine that i Jony dies , there will be a replacement.
Steve Jobs was allegedly irreplaceable, but Apple moved on.

By your logic there isn't another person in this world with "subtle engineering and materials/materials behaviour knowledge and gigantic breadth of intelligence and expertise.

BMW, AUDI/PORSCHE, Mercedes have no good designers?

AGin, by now Jony Ive has a team of designers he oversees. He does not come up with EVERY design, but he
gives impulses and steers the team.

And, he does have his share of duds.

BTW: I have worked with many designers of consumer products.

 

[uid15]

A person who would follow Jony Ive would most likely not have the same traits as him.
It would obviously not be a total design novice, but I think at one point in his career even Jony started from scratch.
Every professional amasses a lot of knowledge in his/her field. The forward thinking persons pass on as much as possible, the bad ones don't.

You seem to not wanting to imagine that i Jony dies , there will be a replacement.
Steve Jobs was allegedly irreplaceable, but Apple moved on.

By your logic there isn't another person in this world with "subtle engineering and materials/materials behaviour knowledge and gigantic breadth of intelligence and expertise.

BMW, AUDI/PORSCHE, Mercedes have no good designers?

AGin, by now Jony Ive has a team of designers he oversees. He does not come up with EVERY design, but he
gives impulses and steers the team.

And, he does have his share of duds.

BTW: I have worked with many designers of consumer products.

I can see that you and I differ with respect to our opinions. I cannot work out the "point" you're trying to make, it seems without cause or logic. Jony Ive ain't leaving Apple any time soon, period. Nothing more to be said. Wasn't having a go, just can't fathom why it even matters :/
Take care.

 

[AFDoc]

Because it's just a spec bumped 6s which is already too fast to begin with.Who's gonna update for a design with no antenna lines,no head phone jack?Dual cameras sound like the only interesting thing but the iPhone 7 4.7 won't have it.The iPhone 7 is even less of a update than the iPhone 6s was over the 6

Again... some update yearly, like me. So how does that make us fools?

 

[Gameboy70]

Kuo is not OFTEN ACCURATE, I'm tired of this crappy trope.

Kuo issues a new rumor every single day; so having a few turn up true is almost a god damn sure thing hey.

Check out confirmation bias whole slew of echo chamber rumor sites; Kuo makes money of you being naive and desperate.

The very fact Kuo issues all sort of, Apple does this for this motivation, makes me think this person is taking the piss out of everyone all the way to the bank.

Assuming this Cult of Mac profile on Kuo isn't selective, the "Analyzing his scorecard" section would confirm that he is, in fact, often accurate.

[UPDATE: Sorry, replied at an early enough point in the thread where that link hadn't been posted a trillion times.]

 

[v3rlon]

Shatterproof:
http://www.motorola.com/us/products/droid-turbo-2

with qualifiers
From the warranty manual
"The consumer-replaceable protective lens is not covered by this Limited Warranty, but should always be in place to prevent scratches and other damage to the underlying components."

Also, various internal components can still shatter. So, like I said, it isn't shatter PROOF. It is shatter RESISTANT.

Lens liner is not covered under any warranty.
Damage due to sand, dirt, rain, extreme humidity (no warranty in Houston, I guess), temperature extremes, and other stuff also not covered.

“It is not designed to be shockproof or withstand abuse scenarios,” Wojack says.

So, better, yes (though the plastic screen has its downsides), but not shatter PROOF.

 

[neander]

That it took them soo long..

Should have made a deal with LG and got them deeper into Amoled small screen manufacturing already in 2010-2012.. its better to avoid soliciting screens from your biggest competitor. (as Japanese TV manufacturers have learned using Samsung LCD panels..) You will always have a much higher overall cost when if you directly complete with the prime source manufacturer. (Samsung)
I think Samsung is the only one that have the resources for providing oled screens om that scale now.. maybe it will be a bit better but I doubt until 2017 already.. a lot of oled facilities are just getting started already. (Foxconn etc.)

Was obvious Oled was the future in mobile a long time ago.. and Apple has avoided it for so long because Samsung was the prime manufacturer of them.

 

[MILAD1986]

iPhone 7 =P-OLED
iPhone 7 Pro =OLED

 

[electronicsguy]

Carbon Fiber?

I'm sure the media isn't understanding what this glass will be. It's going to be LiquidMetal, a metallic glass that is completely transparent to RF signals.

Liquidmetal is made of metal alloys. It's not "glass" as you're thinking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal

 

[jedifaka]

You can quote a warranty. But you can't shatter this screen.

with qualifiers
From the warranty manual
"The consumer-replaceable protective lens is not covered by this Limited Warranty, but should always be in place to prevent scratches and other damage to the underlying components."

Also, various internal components can still shatter. So, like I said, it isn't shatter PROOF. It is shatter RESISTANT.

Lens liner is not covered under any warranty.
Damage due to sand, dirt, rain, extreme humidity (no warranty in Houston, I guess), temperature extremes, and other stuff also not covered.

“It is not designed to be shockproof or withstand abuse scenarios,” Wojack says.

So, better, yes (though the plastic screen has its downsides), but not shatter PROOF.

 

[crashoverride77]

The more and more 2017 rumors I hear, the less and less excited I get about the iPhone 7.

I am very excited though to see what Apple does in 2017, hopefully they get their screens to par with competitors'.

Like the iPad Pro 9.7 that is supposed to have one of the best displays ever?

 

[zhandri]

Is this a joke? The guy is the most accurate source of upcoming Apple info, he predicted the two iPhones, iPhone SE, smaller iPad, iPad Pro months, even up to a YEAR earlier than their release date.

if i'd make 1000 predictions on new apple products a year i might get something right now and then as well

 

[NT1440]

Liquidmetal is made of metal alloys. It's not "glass" as you're thinking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal

I know what I was talking about, it has an amorphous ("glass like") structure rather than crystalline. It's commonly referred to as "metallic glass" for those that don't know more about it, hence what I think the media is describing regarding this "glass" back and front on the iPhone.

Hopefully that makes sense.

 

[Thunderhawks]

I can see that you and I differ with respect to our opinions. I cannot work out the "point" you're trying to make, it seems without cause or logic. Jony Ive ain't leaving Apple any time soon, period. Nothing more to be said. Wasn't having a go, just can't fathom why it even matters :/
Take care.

I get that you may be in awe of Jony Ive and trying to "protect" your countryman. I am not saying that he is not any good.

To summarize "the point", if he dies Apple's designs will go on and they will still be good.

 

[Tiger8]

if i'd make 1000 predictions on new apple products a year i might get something right now and then as well

That's the thing; he doesn't. Most -if not all- of his predictions were spot-on. Search for his name and you'll be hard pressed to see a prediction he made that didn't come true. I'm telling you, he has someone on the inside

 

[navaira]

It's funny when people ask for Kuo's sources. 1) If he revealed them, he would never find anything out again, and 2) if he revealed them, this forum could change its name to "oft-reliable analytics in Macforums threads".

 

[The Game 161]

That's the thing; he doesn't. Most -if not all- of his predictions were spot-on. Search for his name and you'll be hard pressed to see a prediction he made that didn't come true. I'm telling you, he has someone on the inside

What's his predictions for this year?

 

[Tiger8]

What's his predictions for this year?

Read the title of this article

 

[The Game 161]

Read the title of this article

This is for next year

 

[applezulu]

Is this a joke? The guy is the most accurate source of upcoming Apple info, he predicted the two iPhones, iPhone SE, smaller iPad, iPad Pro months, even up to a YEAR earlier than their release date.

You're making the same mistake as the person you responded to, only in the opposite direction. He said Kuo is never right. That's demonstrably untrue. You said he's the most accurate source. I don't think that's actually been proven. (It is slavishly repeated as true, but not really proven.) Noting some things he got correct does prove that he's right sometimes, but it doesn't prove anything about his accuracy rate, nor does it prove anything about whether he is more or less accurate than his peers.

The wierd thing about Kuo is that it's not actually known who he is, and nearly every time he is referenced as a source, he must be lauded and praised. There is a weird, almost cultish intentionality about that.

 

[ABC5S]

There is something sensational about the glass design.
Anyone can make a phone out of metal or plastic.
But only Apple can make one out of glass.

Apple changing their hardware design every 2 years is too frequent as it is. The physical accessory market has had literally no chance to mature or to make anything truly special or significant.

I personally don't favor the "changing the design every 2 years just to satisfy armchair critics" method. I think Apple should settle on a hardware design that has some future upgradability, but ultimately will allow the physical accessory market to gain some traction.

Have you seen Samsungs S7 and S7edge ? Made of glass front and back.

How do you make a cellphone upgradable ?

 

[electronicsguy]

I know what I was talking about, it has an amorphous ("glass like") structure rather than crystalline. It's commonly referred to as "metallic glass" for those that don't know more about it, hence what I think the media is describing regarding this "glass" back and front on the iPhone.

Hopefully that makes sense.

no it doesn't. Just because the media calls it something doesn't mean anything. It's not impervious to radio waves as you suggest, it's not glass as all.

 

[navaira]

Z3 Compact and Z5 Compact both have glass back/front. Not the sides though so here's where Apple can innovate.

 

[guychicago]

What's his predictions for this year?

Let the speculation begin